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02:52:16 <esolangs> [[Ahead]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92900&oldid=58273 * Aspwil * (-40) removed multidimensional tag to keep consistent with other langs on the wiki, since it is only 2 dimnsiional
02:56:07 <esolangs> [[Dig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92901&oldid=81646 * Aspwil * (-40) removed multidimensional super-category as it is already in the 2 dimensional subcategory
02:59:25 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92902&oldid=92876 * Oerjan * (-137) /* General languages */ orst, rm language without article
03:04:07 <esolangs> [[Matrixfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92903&oldid=88050 * Aspwil * (-2) sorted into sub category Two-dimensional languages
03:05:59 <esolangs> [[Pistons & Pistons]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92904&oldid=79292 * Aspwil * (-3) sorted into sub category Two-dimensional languages
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03:09:02 <esolangs> [[Top-based turning]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92905&oldid=76140 * Aspwil * (-41) removed multidimensional super-category as it is already in the 2 dimensional subcategory
03:13:08 <esolangs> [[Nightmare]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92906&oldid=92511 * Aspwil * (+41)
03:28:34 <esolangs> [[Nightmare]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92907&oldid=92906 * Otesunki * (+27)
03:44:26 <oerjan> <riv> this lets you roll any natural number <-- i don't see how to get 3 from what you described hth
03:52:51 <esolangs> [[Joke language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92908&oldid=92902 * Oerjan * (-73) Now again on the whole page
03:57:09 <zzo38> That is what I thought, too. Also, what probability distribution do you intend?
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04:32:38 <esolangs> [[Talk:Double Helix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92910&oldid=92909 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1)
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06:59:44 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92911&oldid=92857 * * (+77)
07:06:36 <esolangs> [[User:Otesunki]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92912&oldid=92160 * Otesunki * (+47)
07:08:14 <esolangs> [[User:]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92913 * * (+32) Created page with "<!-- my time hasn't yet come -->"
07:13:06 <HackEso> [U+003A COLON] [U+034F COMBINING GRAPHEME JOINER]
07:14:02 <int-e> (that U+034F is the user name, apparently)
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07:14:39 <int-e> (including the colon is just a way to actually select it)
07:14:40 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/block]] block * Oerjan * blocked [[User:]] with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation disabled, autoblock disabled): Unacceptable username
07:15:04 <oerjan> got to put the foot down on that one.
07:16:37 <int-e> I'm inclined to say that user names should be ASCII only but that's a pretty western attitude.
07:17:04 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[User:]]": No. Just no.
07:17:53 <int-e> hmm, maybe undo the introduction too?
07:18:50 <int-e> (Other than the user name it was totally generic anyway.)
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07:20:00 <int-e> fungot: will width 2^26 be enough?
07:20:00 <fungot> int-e: john, it appears we have reached an impasse
07:20:16 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
07:21:15 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92914&oldid=92911 * Oerjan * (+166) Putting foot down
07:22:22 <fungot> Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments)
07:22:28 <int-e> fungot: say something terrible and incoherent
07:22:29 <fungot> int-e: blah blah blah har har har har!
07:22:30 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/block]] reblock * Oerjan * changed block settings for [[User:]] with an expiration time of indefinite (autoblock disabled): Unacceptable username
07:25:09 <oerjan> fungot: you seem very accomodating today
07:27:20 <int-e> fungot: very funny video, 0/5 because the captions should use comic sans
07:27:20 <fungot> int-e: test flights. i just got mind raped i was replying to him, look at this point it really has the same company which didnt have any, do a flyby at an airshow, with a better hillary impersonator
07:28:16 <int-e> heh, I like the ending of that one
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08:59:34 <riv> i made a mistake, we have to add 2
09:00:14 <riv> the probability is 3/6 for 1, 2/6 for 2, 1/6*3/6 for 3, 1/6*2/6 for 4, 1/6^2*... for
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09:23:45 <oerjan> riv: this gives prettier probabilities with a d4 or d8, then you can get P(X=n) = 2^(-n)
09:24:27 <oerjan> technically you can do that with a d6 too but only by treating it as a d2
09:25:38 <oerjan> or well, there _should_ be some way of getting 6^(-n)
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09:26:07 <oerjan> no wait that's the wrong sum
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09:27:12 <oerjan> 1/(1-1/6) = 6/5 hm right
09:27:14 <int-e> (using basically the same scheme: 1 1 1 1 1 continuation, with continuations adding 1)
09:27:59 <oerjan> so i guess the question is how to do this while wasting minimal entropy, or something
09:28:24 <int-e> 5^n/6^(n+1) is also easy, by switching to a single 1 and 5 continuations.
09:30:15 <int-e> People have researched simulating arbitrary finite distribution with fair coin flips... except it's usually in a context of data compression and people are happy with approximations (as provided by range coders or arithmetic coders).
09:31:23 <int-e> There's also the fascinating problem of simulating a fair coin if you only have an unfair one with unknown probabilities. (But with the property that consecutive flips are independent with the same probabilities)
09:33:09 <oerjan> roll twice until different, then take the last one is the obvious method, but perhaps you mean saving entropy there too
09:35:29 <int-e> yeah how to conserve entropy is the problem.
09:36:31 <int-e> Or minimizing the expected number of flips. And it's hard. The basic idea is that when you have strings with equal number of heads, you can pair them up and derive an outcome from that. But... if, say, you assign the same outcome to 011 and 010, then you can stop early.
09:39:46 <oerjan> hm might the optimal scheme depend on the probability
09:41:08 * oerjan believes that it may be hard
09:43:35 <oerjan> if you're using the unfair coin to simulate a sequence of perfect coin flips you would want to adapt as you get better estimate of what the base probability is
09:45:27 <int-e> "hm might the optimal scheme depend on the probability" -- it does!
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09:54:36 <int-e> sigh I wish I could remember the reference for that
09:59:02 <int-e> Oh. It's the 1984 paper by Stout and Warren. [3] here: https://www.xarg.org/2018/01/make-a-fair-coin-from-a-biased-coin/
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10:07:55 <riv> I like taht!
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12:32:40 <esolangs> [[Pair]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92916&oldid=92898 * Hakerh400 * (+34) /* Implementation */
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14:47:51 <esolangs> [[Pair]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92917&oldid=92916 * Hakerh400 * (+3) /* Syntactic sugar */ Fix order
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15:12:43 <riv> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiegelman%27s_Monster
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17:12:18 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Elyxin1 * New user account
17:16:51 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92919&oldid=92918 * Elyxin1 * (+70) /* Introductions */
17:27:09 <esolangs> [[Haltingfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92920&oldid=86808 * Silver * (+1123) fixed incorrect computational class, see cs.stackexchange.com/questions/148921/is-haltingfuck-computable
17:27:53 <esolangs> [[Talk:Haltingfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92921&oldid=87011 * Silver * (-565) /* is this really computable? */ removed, since it's been addressed
17:30:32 <esolangs> [[Unhaltingfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92922&oldid=86804 * Silver * (+103) haltingfuck description
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18:01:19 <esolangs> [[Bf++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92923 * Elyxin1 * (+1504) Created page with "'''BF++''' is an [[esoteric programming language]] invented in 2022 February. The creator did not feel like [[Brainfuck]] had enough features. ==Syntax and functions== The la..."
18:03:19 <esolangs> [[Bf++]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92924&oldid=92923 * Elyxin1 * (+0)
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20:46:52 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move * PythonshellDebugwindow * moved [[Bf++]] to [[BF++]]: Fix capitalisation of name
20:47:40 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92929&oldid=92889 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+11) /* B */ add
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21:32:20 <esolangs> [[Pair]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92930&oldid=92917 * Hakerh400 * (+675)
21:44:25 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92931&oldid=92875 * Hakerh400 * (+1002) +[[Pair]]
21:47:20 <esolangs> [[Headass]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92932&oldid=88589 * TheJonyMyster * (-66) This has pretty much always been intended behavior honestly.
21:51:30 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92933&oldid=92931 * Hakerh400 * (+144) /* Pair */
21:54:31 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92934&oldid=92933 * Hakerh400 * (+17) /* Pair */
21:55:22 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92935&oldid=92934 * Hakerh400 * (+0) /* Pair */
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22:11:54 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92939&oldid=92938 * Hakerh400 * (-8) /* Pair */
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23:13:53 <b_jonas> fungot, what breed of dog does the pope have?
23:13:53 <fungot> b_jonas: what's the song's name?! hahaha! fail.
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