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Also, what probability distribution do you intend? 04:03:08 -!- dyeplexer has joined. 04:32:09 [[Talk:Double Helix]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92909 * PixelatedStarfish * (+39) Created page with "impressive! [[User:Pixelated Starfish]]" 04:32:38 [[Talk:Double Helix]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92910&oldid=92909 * PixelatedStarfish * (-1) 04:40:09 -!- transfusion has joined. 04:46:27 -!- fowl has quit (Quit: cya pals). 04:50:48 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:57:04 -!- fowl has joined. 05:02:28 -!- Sgeo has joined. 05:12:41 -!- fowl has quit (Quit: cya pals). 05:18:04 -!- fowl has joined. 05:28:32 -!- fowl has quit (Quit: cya pals). 05:29:15 -!- fowl has joined. 06:11:44 -!- fowl has quit (Quit: cya pals). 06:20:15 -!- fowl has joined. 06:23:18 -!- Everything has joined. 06:58:33 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * * New user account 06:59:44 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92911&oldid=92857 * * (+77) 07:06:36 [[User:Otesunki]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92912&oldid=92160 * Otesunki * (+47) 07:08:14 [[User:]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=92913 * * (+32) Created page with "" 07:11:53 wat 07:13:04 `unidecode :͏ 07:13:06 ​[U+003A COLON] [U+034F COMBINING GRAPHEME JOINER] 07:13:12 meh 07:13:57 ic 07:14:02 (that U+034F is the user name, apparently) 07:14:34 -!- Everything has left. 07:14:39 (including the colon is just a way to actually select it) 07:14:40 [[Special:Log/block]] block * Oerjan * blocked [[User:]] with an expiration time of indefinite (account creation disabled, autoblock disabled): Unacceptable username 07:15:04 got to put the foot down on that one. 07:15:15 yeah 07:16:37 I'm inclined to say that user names should be ASCII only but that's a pretty western attitude. 07:17:04 [[Special:Log/delete]] delete * Oerjan * deleted "[[User:]]": No. Just no. 07:17:53 hmm, maybe undo the introduction too? 07:18:50 (Other than the user name it was totally generic anyway.) 07:19:32 -!- tromp has joined. 07:20:00 fungot: will width 2^26 be enough? 07:20:00 int-e: john, it appears we have reached an impasse 07:20:08 ...timing 07:20:16 ^style 07:20:16 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube 07:21:15 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92914&oldid=92911 * Oerjan * (+166) Putting foot down 07:22:21 ^style youtube 07:22:22 Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) 07:22:28 fungot: say something terrible and incoherent 07:22:29 int-e: blah blah blah har har har har! 07:22:30 [[Special:Log/block]] reblock * Oerjan * changed block settings for [[User:]] with an expiration time of indefinite (autoblock disabled): Unacceptable username 07:25:09 fungot: you seem very accomodating today 07:25:09 oerjan: 5 oh no's... 07:25:50 *+m+m 07:25:53 argh 07:25:55 -+m 07:27:20 fungot: very funny video, 0/5 because the captions should use comic sans 07:27:20 int-e: test flights. i just got mind raped i was replying to him, look at this point it really has the same company which didnt have any, do a flyby at an airshow, with a better hillary impersonator 07:28:16 heh, I like the ending of that one 07:51:12 -!- impomatic has joined. 07:51:50 [[Entropy complete]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=92915&oldid=90269 * Oshaboy * (+11) Clarification and fixed a god tier spelling mistake. 07:56:16 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 07:56:37 -!- impomatic has joined. 08:00:47 -!- impomatic has quit (Client Quit). 08:01:08 -!- impomatic has joined. 08:08:27 -!- llk has joined. 08:21:16 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 08:21:36 -!- impomatic has joined. 08:29:58 -!- ArthurStrong has joined. 08:30:47 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 08:31:06 -!- impomatic has joined. 08:41:16 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 08:41:37 -!- impomatic has joined. 08:44:15 -!- ArthurStrong has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:45:47 -!- impomatic has quit (Client Quit). 08:46:06 -!- impomatic has joined. 08:46:27 -!- ArthurStrong has joined. 08:59:31 haha 08:59:34 i made a mistake, we have to add 2 09:00:14 the probability is 3/6 for 1, 2/6 for 2, 1/6*3/6 for 3, 1/6*2/6 for 4, 1/6^2*... for 09:18:15 -!- llk has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:21:16 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 09:21:35 -!- impomatic has joined. 09:23:45 riv: this gives prettier probabilities with a d4 or d8, then you can get P(X=n) = 2^(-n) 09:24:27 technically you can do that with a d6 too but only by treating it as a d2 09:25:38 or well, there _should_ be some way of getting 6^(-n) 09:25:47 -!- impomatic has quit (Client Quit). 09:26:07 no wait that's the wrong sum 09:26:07 -!- impomatic has joined. 09:26:19 5*6^(-n) is easy 09:27:12 1/(1-1/6) = 6/5 hm right 09:27:14 (using basically the same scheme: 1 1 1 1 1 continuation, with continuations adding 1) 09:27:59 so i guess the question is how to do this while wasting minimal entropy, or something 09:28:24 5^n/6^(n+1) is also easy, by switching to a single 1 and 5 continuations. 09:28:35 yeah 09:30:15 People have researched simulating arbitrary finite distribution with fair coin flips... except it's usually in a context of data compression and people are happy with approximations (as provided by range coders or arithmetic coders). 09:31:23 There's also the fascinating problem of simulating a fair coin if you only have an unfair one with unknown probabilities. (But with the property that consecutive flips are independent with the same probabilities) 09:33:09 roll twice until different, then take the last one is the obvious method, but perhaps you mean saving entropy there too 09:35:29 yeah how to conserve entropy is the problem. 09:36:31 Or minimizing the expected number of flips. And it's hard. The basic idea is that when you have strings with equal number of heads, you can pair them up and derive an outcome from that. But... if, say, you assign the same outcome to 011 and 010, then you can stop early. 09:39:46 hm might the optimal scheme depend on the probability 09:41:08 * oerjan believes that it may be hard 09:43:35 if you're using the unfair coin to simulate a sequence of perfect coin flips you would want to adapt as you get better estimate of what the base probability is 09:45:27 "hm might the optimal scheme depend on the probability" -- it does! 09:49:19 fiendish 09:53:41 -!- Guest28 has joined. 09:54:36 sigh I wish I could remember the reference for that 09:59:02 Oh. It's the 1984 paper by Stout and Warren. 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