00:03:15 -!- llk has joined. 00:04:32 -!- llk has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:25:37 -!- transfusion has quit (Quit: WeeChat 3.4). 00:32:57 -!- llk has joined. 00:42:12 -!- llk has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:54:17 -!- perlbot has joined. 00:55:09 -!- arseniiv has quit (Quit: gone too far). 00:59:51 -!- simcop2387 has joined. 01:08:53 -!- sprock has joined. 01:31:17 -!- perlbot has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:31:31 -!- simcop2387 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:48:49 -!- perlbot has joined. 01:55:22 -!- simcop2387 has joined. 02:05:27 -!- perlbot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:05:45 -!- perlbot has joined. 02:29:02 [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93123&oldid=93077 * Laclale * (+169) /* Game */ 02:30:51 [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93124&oldid=93123 * Laclale * (-142) /* Game */ 06:41:29 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 08:00:04 -!- definitelya has joined. 08:01:29 Heyyy! I am not a programmer, but I want to have a good workflow regardless. I'll be starting out the learning process using Befunge; I am ready, I think... 08:02:24 Cool. Befunge does not seem like the easiest first programming language, though. Good luck. 08:02:54 mhm.. Thank you ^^ 08:03:27 A good workflow is a 2D workflow! 08:08:07 You might find Orca interesting, too. It can make music 08:10:57 True, I saw a video on it. It's neat and simple. 08:11:12 -!- definitelya_ has joined. 08:15:14 -!- definitelya has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 09:10:40 -!- definitelya__ has joined. 09:13:36 -!- definitelya_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 09:13:46 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:02:43 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 11:04:04 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 11:04:13 -!- Cale has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:17:23 -!- Cale has joined. 13:27:32 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 14:16:24 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:16:44 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 14:42:21 -!- __monty__ has joined. 15:18:41 befunge is fun.. do feel free to ask question 16:13:22 razetime[m]: Thanks, I will probably consult the specification on github a lot. 16:14:22 I am currently creating schematics with Minetest, a blocky game, but tomorrow I shall create something simple I guess. 17:00:33 -!- dyeplexer has joined. 17:02:31 -!- sprock has joined. 17:14:03 -!- oerjan has joined. 17:33:36 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 17:44:51 definitelya__, you can do whatever you want, but id advise against befunge as a first language, pretty much every other language would be better for a beginner to learn programming concepts 17:46:05 I see, ok. It is complex. 17:46:49 it was specifically designed to be complex, lol 17:48:35 True 18:03:30 We-ell... it was specifically designed to be hard to compile. I don't know if it's particularly complex as far as writing it goes. 18:04:24 I'll funge my way around it somehow. ;) 18:04:43 Not saying I'd recommend it for learning how to program, the 2D syntax and lack of any "non-local" control flow (i.e., function calls) does make writing nontrivial programs somewhat tricky. But still. 18:05:00 fungot: What do you think about learning to program using Befunge? 18:05:01 fizzie: maybe we could follow plan9 and have the right to be subversive? 18:05:12 (fungot itself is written in Befunge, so it should have a good idea about that.) 18:05:12 fizzie: do you want your language to do all the receives and values to make a cross-country flight to acapulco so i can make someone laugh 18:05:59 fizzie: Hofstadter says that that's not the right logic, because after all we're made of physics and biology but that doesn't make it easy for us to understand them 18:07:36 fizzie: Yes! I also saw a video on Befunge by Truttle1. 18:08:20 fungot seems vey functioning. 18:08:20 definitelya__: it seems to 18:08:32 fungot: Emphasis on the word "seems", eh? 18:08:33 fizzie: ( is it that intel cpus are terrible. it took me a long persistance display 18:08:39 xD 18:08:50 ohhh 18:08:55 shots fired 18:09:15 fungot: You're *running* on an Intel CPU right now. Is that why your responses are so terrible? 18:09:15 fizzie: i like scheme, modulo the definition of list-case in-line, and then 18:10:17 (I guess that might have been an endorsement of Scheme as a first language?) 18:11:15 mhm 18:11:27 I'll just have to trust the bot then :3 18:12:49 Too bad, no info yet on the wiki. 18:14:04 fungot, choose a programming language for me. 18:14:04 definitelya__: that might be 18:14:28 fungot, choose an esolang for me. 18:14:28 definitelya__: much more like to see these small korean girls in french fnord do have money over there, it's there for a while, 18:23:36 I think it meant https://esolangs.org/wiki/Enterprise%E2%84%A2 18:27:33 -!- dyeplexer has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:38:05 fizzie, i understand, i do think there is some coorelation between complexity to compile and to write, atleast in the case of befunge which i would consider to be complex to write, atleast for a first language 19:01:24 -!- sgji has quit (Quit: Users computer has exploded). 19:02:45 -!- sgji_ has joined. 19:06:30 -!- Sgeo has joined. 19:07:06 -!- sgji_ has changed nick to sgji. 19:07:30 sgeo, i like your name 19:07:55 Hi, ty 19:08:36 -!- sprock has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 19:15:31 -!- simcop2387 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:15:31 -!- perlbot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:18:09 -!- perlbot has joined. 19:21:31 -!- simcop2387 has joined. 19:36:37 -!- sprock has joined. 19:41:42 -!- pyautogui has joined. 19:43:28 Newbie question: I have occasionally been on esolangs.org for a couple of years now, and have noticed that the featured language has not changed from Thue. Why is that? It seems like there would be turnover. 19:44:01 -!- simcop2387 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:45:35 bf was featured language for 8+ years, its just changed infrequently 19:45:44 It's a very irregular process, and schedule: https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Featured_languages 19:46:12 I'd like to feature Befunge (already proposed as a candidate), but I just feel the article could do with some polishing first, and I never get around to it. 19:46:23 Got it. Thank you for the quick answer! 19:49:58 -!- simcop2387 has joined. 20:01:29 obpun: Shouldn't Turing tarpits rather be "unfeatured languages"? 20:02:07 featherless 20:02:35 -!- pyautogui has quit (Quit: Connection closed). 20:43:26 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:11:41 riv: . o O ( BFS is so shallow ) 22:33:57 -!- definitelya__ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:38:49 [[Parse this sic]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93125&oldid=88032 * Digital Hunter * (-136) /* Euler's number calculator */ shorter 22:45:34 [[Parse this sic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93126&oldid=93125 * Digital Hunter * (-36) /* Three-param */ 22:53:44 fizzie: that 22:53:53 that's why I suggest featuring Nopfunge instead 23:10:07 why isn't the white border here symmetric? https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/playground.html (screenshot https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/playground.png ) 23:13:32 Inspecting the body element in Chrome says its computed height is 604. 23:14:40 It becomes symmetric for me if I add `display: block;` in the element's style attribute. 23:14:46 So my guess would be "something about lines". 23:14:49 hmm 23:15:21 Thanks, I'll take it. 23:15:47 Web Development™. 23:17:56 oh. so 4px is the descender length of my font? 23:18:29 since the SVG is aligned with the text baseline... 23:18:48 I guess that makes sense. 23:22:02 fizzie: That was some good sense of direction :) 23:32:39 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: Disconnecting). 23:39:34 -!- __monty__ has quit (Quit: leaving).