< 1645747442 603811 :eli_oat!~eli_oat@185.229.59.10 QUIT :Quit: eli_oat < 1645747541 904651 :eli_oat!~eli_oat@185.229.59.10 JOIN #esolangs eli_oat :eli_oat < 1645747609 927701 :eli_oat!~eli_oat@185.229.59.10 QUIT :Client Quit > 1645751804 42727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 0300Her0 5* 10New user account < 1645751976 633811 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1645757762 390916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1645757813 235279 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1645757952 562399 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu JOIN #esolangs sebbu :sebbu < 1645773116 261849 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1645773646 728087 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1645773681 823428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1645778044 826937 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1645781104 682146 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le5uGqHKll8 hangman is like wordle < 1645785088 129035 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64pA31_WJa0 vsauce2 the L game, this channel also has a video analyzing sprouts game < 1645788312 265910 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://youtu.be/Y7hm0Xeicus?t=546 oh that's interesting, simon tatham did research on Conways soliders < 1645789839 93343 :definitelya!~hexagon@host-79-26-66-193.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN #esolangs * :WRATH < 1645790209 62737 :definitelya_!~hexagon@host-79-35-5-118.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN #esolangs * :WRATH < 1645790387 63383 :definitelya!~hexagon@host-79-26-66-193.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1645792397 548772 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1645792450 988934 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1645792452 883553 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1645792496 30303 :definitelya__!~hexagon@host-82-54-219-132.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN #esolangs * :WRATH < 1645792665 63994 :definitelya_!~hexagon@host-79-35-5-118.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1645794103 349372 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't realize that "grist for the mill" was a saying < 1645794120 405394 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :grist is used in homestuck < 1645795312 252291 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so regarding dice < 1645795315 917039 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :in 3d < 1645795336 824417 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :platonic solids give us 4, 6, 8, 12, 20 < 1645795347 917339 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :dipyramids give us 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, ... < 1645795370 333691 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :trapezohedra gives us: 6, 10, 14, 18, 22 < 1645795376 599096 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rhombic Triacontahedron: 30 < 1645795390 774953 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :disdyakis triacontahedron: 120 < 1645795399 416691 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i am not sure if that is every dice, but anyway < 1645795421 223939 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can multi-label a dice to divide its face number < 1645795426 111814 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. 20/4 = 5 < 1645795444 888212 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you can put each label 4 times, to get a 5 sided dice < 1645795461 313738 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do we get a 7 sided dice? < 1645795470 682575 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dont like the prism dice < 1645795496 168722 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like a trapezohedra /2 gives 7 < 1645795515 306395 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the next difficult number is 9 < 1645795539 591044 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like the multi-label system is very effective, and we can get a dice for 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,.. easily < 1645795690 480940 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isohedral_figure isohedral face transitive shapes < 1645796049 369779 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i would propose that we should label dices starting from 0 rather than 1 < 1645796101 157445 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :it makes it easier to reduce the result modulo whatever < 1645796428 772950 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :something i was wondering though, is can we multi-label multiple dice in such a way that when rolled together and added up we can get a uniform distribution? < 1645796434 335206 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :and does this provide new numbers < 1645796450 8077 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the dice on their own may not be fair) < 1645797223 96933 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.shapeways.com/product/F4S34GX6T/d12-balanced-steam-clock?optionId=171620058&li=marketplace < 1645797234 323208 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can 3d print metal dice > 1645797828 810925 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93374&oldid=93361 5* 03Kilgharrah 5* (+355) 10/* Introductions */ < 1645798048 420841 :tromp!~textual@dhcp-077-249-230-040.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1645798169 146489 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kak--14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93375&oldid=93356 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+96) 10 > 1645798296 668951 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kak--14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93376&oldid=93375 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+12) 10 > 1645798524 116686 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kak+14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=93377 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+727) 10Created page with "'''Kak+''' is a Two-demensional version of [[Kak]] Made by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" |- ! 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This is PhoenixHO. I have always been a fan of creating programming languages, especially the esoteric ones. That was the main reason (obviously) for me to make my own." > 1645805389 735885 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PhoenixHO14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93381&oldid=93380 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* (-177) 10Blanked the page > 1645805441 553455 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* 10moved [[02User:PhoenixHO10]] to [[Esolang:UwU]] > 1645805548 721648 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* 10moved [[02Esolang:UwU10]] to [[Test.....]] > 1645805580 141727 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* 10moved [[02Test.....10]] to [[UwUScript]] > 1645805616 970283 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* 10moved [[02UwUScript10]] to [[UwU: A cute esolang]] > 1645805837 850453 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:UwU14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93390&oldid=93385 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* (-23) 10Blanked the page > 1645805875 250120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UwUScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93391&oldid=93389 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* (-33) 10Blanked the page > 1645806091 363667 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* 10moved [[02Esolang:UwU10]] to [[User:PhoenixHO]] over redirect > 1645806091 370468 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete_redir10 02 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* 10PhoenixHO deleted redirect [[02User:PhoenixHO10]] by overwriting: Deleted to make way for move from "[[Esolang:UwU]]" > 1645806100 940429 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PhoenixHO14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93394&oldid=93392 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* (+177) 10 > 1645808597 594462 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Neural Brainfuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93395&oldid=78665 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+23) 10Category < 1645810346 99152 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam > 1645811994 58959 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MacroBeep14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93396&oldid=93330 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+1256) 10/* Interpreter Status */ > 1645812376 774804 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Mountain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93397&oldid=93378 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+67) 10 > 1645812613 280053 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MacroBeep14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93398&oldid=93396 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+504) 10/* Challenges and Design Considerations */ < 1645815898 186193 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown > 1645817031 851383 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07UwU: A cute esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93399&oldid=93388 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* (+3519) 10 > 1645817159 104715 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93400&oldid=93364 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* (+32) 10 > 1645817257 216490 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93401&oldid=93400 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* (+0) 10 > 1645817343 522795 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PhoenixHO14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93402&oldid=93394 5* 03PhoenixHO 5* (+74) 10 < 1645818463 749689 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1645818523 156399 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1645818630 696979 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1645820381 704428 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck implementations14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93403&oldid=93229 5* 03Brainpusher 5* (-1) 10 < 1645823277 13826 :definitelya__!~hexagon@host-82-54-219-132.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Quit: h < 1645824715 537343 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1645824885 930465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN #esolangs oerjan :Ørjan Johansen < 1645825684 31681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : i would propose that we should label dices starting from 0 rather than 1 <-- as i recall that's common for d10s, which you then use in pairs to throw 0-99 values < 1645825706 145557 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh cool < 1645825729 89814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :well one of the pair might be marked 0,10,...,90 < 1645825742 196364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :*00, even < 1645825875 84766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh, i see that also answers your next question < 1645825969 142617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :generalized, it gives you a way to multiply dice sizes < 1645825993 685683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :so in some sense, prime sizes are hardest < 1645826055 325290 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course! < 1645826088 581773 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Cursed Remainder Theorem < 1645826113 326309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs : (the dice on their own may not be fair) <-- not sure if this helps you get more or not < 1645826209 207749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :someone's almost certainly investigated this < 1645826451 297563 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a related exercise... where you relabel two D6 such that the distribution of the sum is the same as rolling two standard D6 < 1645826617 715283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there any way other than adding a constant to the labels of one and subtracting it from the other? < 1645826618 777469 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let d1 = [[1,2,3,4,5,6],[1,2,3,4,5,6]]; d2 = [[1,2,2,3,3,4],[1,3,4,5,6,8]]; dsum = sort . map sum . sequence in dsum d1 == dsum d2 < 1645826620 774431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : True < 1645826630 507102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1645826666 847537 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: it was phrased in a way that rules that out < 1645826704 97005 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's good < 1645826766 507929 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And there's a pen&paper solution based around x^5+x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1 = (x+1)(x^2+x+1)(x^2-x+1); the modified dice correspond to (x+1)(x^2+x+1) and (x+1)(x^2+x+1)(x^2-x+1)^2 < 1645826796 718387 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is one of the first applications of generating functions that I saw, so it stuck < 1645826832 306432 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ohhh < 1645826928 219034 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oerjan: I guess the labels were restricted to positive integers < 1645826935 966541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esolangs :mhm < 1645826951 19724 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I can have a coin with sides 1 and 3 < 1645826966 941413 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus a 5 side dice with sides 1, 2, 5, 6, 9 < 1645826995 162426 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let dsum = sort . map sum . sequence in dsum [[1,3],[1,2,5,6,9]] < 1645826997 199278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,12] < 1645827017 320298 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i didn't want a gap < 1645827035 301655 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you have a set of N coins where the two sides of coin i are labeled 0 and 2^i, are those called bitcoins? < 1645827048 480479 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hah < 1645827057 170030 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :damn it, I laughed < 1645827061 848889 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i mdae a mistake < 1645827077 830664 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: it happens, this was just my way of pointing it out < 1645827106 115384 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do you handle a - < 1645827110 426970 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :(x^2-x+1) like here? < 1645827129 604622 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you don't. but the resulting polynomials have no negative coefficients left < 1645827134 948268 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :what's that corresponding to in terms of dice side < 1645827138 884766 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1645827148 268456 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's smart! < 1645827150 611439 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're x^3 + 2*x^2 + 2*x + 1 and x^7 + x^5 + x^4 + x^3 + x^2 + 1 < 1645827150 984739 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :you gotta get rid of them by grouping them with things < 1645827153 7900 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1645827177 29499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(copying from gp) < 1645827262 912411 :river!~My_user_n@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think the best thing to do is write a program which looks for good factorization based dice < 1645828322 429588 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1645829094 430218 :tech_exorcist!txrcst@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: Disconnecting < 1645829979 166912 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think if you have two normally labeled d4's (sides 1, 2, 3, 4) that you'd want to be unfair in such a way that their sum is uniformly distributed over (2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8), you can't. Or at least WA -- after some renaming to get it to even try -- claims to me there's no real solutions to a1*b1 = a1*b2 + a2*b1, a1*b1 = a1*b3 + a2*b2 + a3*b1, ..., a1*b1 = a4*b4, a1+a2+a3+a4 = 1, b1+b2+b3+b4 = 1, < 1645829981 391403 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :which I think would need to be true. < 1645830019 255315 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And in the simpler case of having just two coins labeled 1, 2 and wanting the sum to be uniformly distributed over (1, 2, 3), it's definitely the case that for {a1*b1 = a1*b2 + b1*a2, a1*b1 = a2*b2, a1+a2 = 1, b1+b2 = 1} there's no real solutions too. Because after some simplifications, that just leaves b1 = 1-a1 and a1^2 - a1 + 1/3 = 0. < 1645830106 638035 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Presumably there's a less pedestrian way of handling it too.)