00:18:55 <esolangs> [[=,-&~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93526&oldid=85405 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+1559) Extended the documentation based upon the command table and the truth-machine example.
00:20:36 <esolangs> [[=,-&~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93527&oldid=93526 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+578) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the =,-&~ programming language on GitHub and changed the category tag Unimplemented to Implemented.
00:24:43 <esolangs> [[=,-&~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93528&oldid=93527 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+506) Added two further examples: an infinitely repeating cat program and a Fibonacci sequence printer.
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00:29:22 <Guest2189> HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO??????????????
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00:30:04 <fizzie> I did in fact type a `welcome, but then thought better of it.
00:50:06 <int-e> fungot: ARE YOU DEAD TOO?
00:50:07 <fungot> int-e: was going to be homeless soon, no one's ported it to scheme48, operates cleanly with the mechanism he's using call/ cc
00:50:49 <Corbin> fungot: what is esolang?
00:50:50 <fungot> Corbin: each element of its second argument. ( with-... here ( output))) without letting me see the result :)
00:51:12 <fizzie> Oh no, fungot's going to be homeless?
00:51:13 <fungot> fizzie: it's dash peculiar?' have you ever tried hacking the stalin source?
01:15:03 <esolangs> [[1 Line Challenge]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=93529 * Childishbeat * (+2502) Created.
01:38:42 <esolangs> [[1 Line Challenge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93530&oldid=93529 * Childishbeat * (+0) Down to up was the wrong way round.
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01:51:51 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93531&oldid=93525 * Totobird Creations * (+215) /* Introductions */
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02:15:36 <fizzie> Hmm. Email with the subject line "Join the Illuminati". You'd think they'd be a little more careful about recruiting.
02:16:54 <Corbin> Not really. We'll take anybody.
02:17:02 <fizzie> "Note: Some email providers incorrectly place official Illuminati messages in their spam / junk folder or promotion folder." Ooh, how dare they.
02:17:30 <int-e> That seems wrong...
02:17:47 <int-e> ...the spam folder is where you *deliberately* put secret messages because most people don't look there.
02:19:42 <fizzie> The message goes into some detail on the benefits of joining (fame, riches, powers and so on) but is curiously quiet on the accompanying responsibilities, other than to advise that disloyalty is highly not tolerated.
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02:23:14 <Corbin> Fame, riches, powers? This sounds like an MLM. A true Discordian only craves hot dogs, and only occasionally.
02:23:48 <Corbin> fungot: If every pork chop were perfect, we wouldn't have hot dogs.
02:23:48 <fungot> Corbin: neither in caps nor in lowercase
02:25:30 <fizzie> fungot: Ooh, is it in the highly secret third case then?
02:25:30 <fungot> fizzie: bfvga does line-buffered input.)?
02:27:14 <fizzie> I heard from a video once that the UK information classification level that's now called "Top Secret" used to be called "Most Secret" instead, but got Americanized at some point.
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03:04:14 <oerjan> <fizzie> I did in fact type a `welcome, but then thought better of it. <-- naturally. `relcome is where it's at.
03:06:56 <oerjan> spam is of course bottom secret, that's why everyone gets it.
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03:29:53 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93532&oldid=93486 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+23) add /* Non-alphabetic */
03:37:53 <oerjan> hm that breaks my intended sorting rule of not ignoring spaces - but that corner case hasn't been tested before.
03:44:37 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93533&oldid=93532 * Oerjan * (+137) /* Non-alphabetic */ orst, and state how this section is different
05:42:58 <oerjan> ok my prediction failed. maybe next comic.
05:43:04 <oerjan> (it's nice when you're prediction is sure to happen eventually)
05:45:48 <Corbin> Hm. Flame? Lanterns have flames.
05:45:57 <fungot> Corbin: egobot is lying around in the first case is impossible, it's easier to reason about a multi-phase macro expansion, i already though a bit of a pain
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08:12:56 <int-e> . o O ( 586081^2 is not prohibitively large if you handle each pair in 10 cycles. feels wrong though :P )
08:16:58 <int-e> Unfortunately, there were no fireworks either. Just exposition.
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10:29:18 <fizzie> fungot: The frozen flame is actually a piece of Lavos, you know.
10:29:18 <fungot> fizzie: fnord it's usually pronounced ( and thus didn't see/ hear anything)? i don't know
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12:59:59 <fungot> river: i couldn't evaluate your expression in the given time. ( in haskell mode)
13:00:07 <river> fungot: flip concat map
13:00:07 <fungot> river: optimize ( let-values ( ( (
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13:05:17 <wib_jonas> "<fizzie> Oh no, fungot's going to be homeless?" => he's hosted in Finland and is worried about Putin
13:05:17 <fungot> wib_jonas: i just heard today that nobody likes anything about me. :x
13:06:10 <fizzie> fungot: Oh, that's not true! Everyone loves you! You're the best bot.
13:06:10 <fungot> fizzie: ( isdn hasn't thrown more errors yet), but
13:06:32 <fizzie> (We don't want it to start sulking.)
13:06:56 <wib_jonas> “Hmm. Email with the subject line "Join the Illuminati".” => I just got one with "Extend your research in Mathematics". an e-penis extension method.
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19:16:18 <wib_jonas> fungot, how would you rank impedance among your favorite styles of dance?
19:16:18 <fungot> wib_jonas: ( i just realised i'm in the minority... i never saved it so i can still work on some designs for them :o
19:16:39 <wib_jonas> fungot: you can still work on them after you save
19:16:39 <fungot> wib_jonas: but not any more than you
19:17:36 <wib_jonas> don't compare yourself to the best you can find on the internet, that can only lead to disappointment.
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19:59:00 <int-e> fungot: can you do better than brute force on this month's Ponder This!?
19:59:00 <fungot> int-e: ( f x)) ( register-proc! " /bar" bar))
20:01:05 <int-e> fungot: I'll take that as a no. Please balance your parentheses...
20:01:06 <fungot> int-e: it's kind of axiomatic systems, not yours.) http://befunge.org/fis/ fnord ( see fnord) and fnord to reconstruct the source code
20:04:56 <esolangs> [[AMiaBF!?]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93534&oldid=85519 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+448) Extended the documentation based upon the command table and the extant examples.
20:05:37 <int-e> (none of my ideas so far have gone beyond the back-of-an-envelope computation of feasibility; it's nice to reduce the number of inner loop iterations by a factor of 5 but not when you replace a 9 cycle inner loop by something more complicated that has to traverse auxiliary data structures)
20:06:10 <esolangs> [[AMiaBF!?]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93535&oldid=93534 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+605) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the AMiaBF!? programming language on GitHub and changed the category tag Unimplemented to Implemented.
20:07:43 <esolangs> [[AMiaBF!?]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=93536&oldid=93535 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+152) Addded an example involving the arithmetic derivative.
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20:26:43 <fizzie> The Perl prototype had an enforced punctuation balancer (with a stack, just ignoring mismatched close tokens and adding all the missing close tokens at the end of the sentence), but I never got around to porting that over to the Befunge version.
20:40:20 <wib_jonas> fungot, is "semi-irregular" a word
20:40:20 <fungot> wib_jonas: well i'm thinking just evaluate all ( expr) all the time
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21:36:13 <oerjan> . o O ( occasionally, about half of the time )
21:38:03 <int-e> wait, does this mean that I can predict coin flips with perfect semi-accuracy?
21:38:24 <fizzie> Yay, Bytemark replied that it was just their bug re the discount vs. price increase, and said they'll continue to provide the thing at no cost.
21:38:26 <fizzie> HackEso: In other words, you'll continue to be supplied with delicious alternating current, no need to worry.
21:40:05 <fizzie> I imagine one tiny VPS is a roundoff error at any "serious" provider's scale, but it's still appreciated.
21:43:42 <int-e> fizzie: "rounding error"... just think of the value of that dedicated IPv4 address ;)
21:44:24 <fizzie> I guess there's that. Those are going at, what, $50/address now?
21:46:20 <int-e> . o O ( $200B market cap )
21:46:44 <int-e> https://ipv4marketgroup.com/ipv4-pricing/ has graphs ending around $30
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21:47:21 <fizzie> I was going by an article at https://blog.apnic.net/2021/12/16/opinion-ipv4-address-markets/
21:47:58 <fizzie> A previous consumer ISP gave me a /29 of IPv4 addresses at home, I guess that'd be kind of unlikely these days.
21:49:49 <fizzie> The current one instead charges £5/month for a single one, which I'm paying for no really defensible reason. And have been paying for long enough for them to have recouped their losses, even if they had to pay current prices for it.
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21:51:49 <int-e> Oh is this a paid "fixed IP, definitely no NAT" service?
21:52:28 <int-e> The whole IPv6 story is sad.
21:52:30 <fizzie> Yeah. Although I don't think they do CGNAT even for non-payers. Maybe. I guess I don't know.
21:53:10 * int-e is on a cheap mobile connection
21:53:22 <fizzie> The same £5/month does also mean the /56 that they give to me over DHCPv6 is fixed.
21:53:30 <int-e> inet 10.93.160.254 netmask 255.255.255.255 destination 10.0.0.1
21:54:19 <int-e> Well that's something.
21:55:09 <fizzie> When it works. ;) It's already twice done that thing where IPv6 just stops working.
21:55:29 <int-e> But the reason you pay for this is simple... it's a feature that most users won't miss *at all*. So you can sell it as an add-on to those who want it.
21:55:54 <int-e> And you should be happy that you don't have to upgrade to a (5 times more expensive) business account for this :-P
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21:56:42 <int-e> (CGNAT... yeah maybe that's something people would notice now-adays. There's quite a few games that do peer to peer communication.)
21:57:46 <int-e> And I suspect that's typically UDP, so hard for connection tracking.
21:58:46 <int-e> (Unless I misunderstand what CGNAT actually doe... I'm assuming it maps several consumer side IPs to one ISP-owned IP. I should check.)
22:00:18 <fizzie> Yeah, there's that. One of those "we build our own fibre" ISPs (CommunityFibre) sent me (well, "The Occupier" at this address, they don't know my name) a letter the other day that they're going to be expanding around here. They sell a 3 Gbps consumer service (which is pretty odd), but only do static IPs for "business customers".
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22:05:13 <shachaf> i,i {-# LANGUAGE CGNATs #-}
22:05:45 <zzo38> A few years ago the ISP that I have had enabled NAT by default, but the modem has an option to disable NAT, which I had used, since I have my own router. The IP address is dynamic but it does not change often.
22:07:20 <int-e> (It seems that my vague assumptions about CGNAT were correct.)
22:09:22 <oerjan> fungot: how well do gnats program C, anyway?
22:09:23 <fungot> oerjan: i have on my desktop
22:09:32 <int-e> Of course rather than switching off IPv4 we invent new ways to cope... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Control_Protocol
22:09:40 <int-e> (had not seen that one before)
22:15:40 <fizzie> I knew of UPnP-IGD, and I think I had heard of NAT-PMP, but maybe not PCP.
22:16:15 <int-e> it solves the port correspondence problem
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