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02:09:02 <int-e> ...so what problem is Hare trying to solve, exactly?
02:09:15 <int-e> (https://harelang.org/)
02:10:40 <myname> there seems to be a trend on those "syntax reduced" c-style languages
02:11:01 <Corbin> It's *simple*, *stable*, and *robust*. Also, it allows use-after-free.
02:11:15 <int-e> Trying to showcase QBE?
02:12:29 <myname> "hare fits on a 3.5" floppy disc" seems to be the most outstanding feature
02:13:48 <int-e> use-after-free isn't my idea of robustness :P
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02:15:43 <myname> i'm still totally confused by go. like, "hey, let's make a modern language, but we keep null pointers and strip generics"
02:17:12 <int-e> I guess they got rid of a bunch of undefined behavior in C. And they simply do not try to have threads or a memory model.
02:17:40 <esolangs> [[The Maze]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=95272&oldid=95271 * LEOMOK * (+0)
02:17:48 <int-e> (Or at least it's not covered in the draft of the specification according to my keyword search)
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02:18:00 <int-e> Eh, I'll ignore it.
02:18:13 <esolangs> [[The Maze]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=95274&oldid=95273 * LEOMOK * (+0)
02:18:51 <int-e> Stick to dabbling with Rust which actually adds some interesting (though challenging) stuff with its lifetime tracking.
02:20:21 <Corbin> Wait, does Hare actually fit on a floppy?
02:20:50 <myname> it claims so, but i fail to see where this is of practical use
02:20:51 <int-e> https://harelang.org/ under "Supporting Hare"
02:21:29 <myname> it's a fun claim to make, but that's about it. and if you are announcing that, you might actually hurt yourself because you cannot add features that would make it "too big"
02:21:44 <int-e> It's a cute marketing gimmick I suppose... though I wouldn't know what to do with a 3 1/2" floppy these days. (Yeah, you can buy drives. They're horribly expensive, because they're targeting a data recovery market.)
02:22:10 <esolangs> [[The Maze]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=95275&oldid=95274 * LEOMOK * (+2)
02:22:29 <int-e> They don't say which parts fit on a floppy disk. Should provide a disk image :P
02:22:56 <int-e> Wait... "When it’s done, you’ll be able to buy a floppy disc with Hare on it to support the project."
02:23:36 <myname> i imagine you have to be really invested in it to do so
02:24:16 <myname> like, you are actively purchasing junk
02:24:50 <int-e> Oh that's okay... we do that a lot anyway. Or at least I do :-/
02:25:36 <int-e> A single floppy is very little compared to all the packaging materials I throw away yearly. And I'm not even a regular online shopper (which would multiply that by a significant factor)!
02:26:00 <myname> sure, but i usually don't order packaging materials
02:26:07 <int-e> (Online shopper of physical goods I mean. I buy more for-download video games than I care to admit.)
02:32:03 <zzo38> I think that there are some better ways to improve C programming language; some alternatives are fixing some things but other things they don't improve or they do it worse
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03:01:07 <int-e> So... hmm. what fits on a floppy. The compressed sources, or the compressed compiler and preprocessed standard libraries. (But without the `haredoc` stuff)
03:01:56 <int-e> (those compressed sources include the non-standard stuff: qbe, scdoc, harec, hare)
03:03:41 <int-e> (So much for ignoring this... building was not as easy as advertised because the `hare` Makefile manages to hard-code the installation directory for the standard lib to be inside the source directory. That's not where I wanted them. I have not actually tested whether the result I have now works as a compiler... :P)
03:09:45 <int-e> it didn't work... it didn't install the full standard library
03:36:54 <int-e> I see, it wasn't exactly my fault.
03:38:49 <int-e> https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/hare/tree/master/item/scripts/install-mods#L45 isn't idempotent
03:39:19 <int-e> (also lacks quoting... but that wasn't my problem)
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08:23:03 <b_jonas> "Yeah, you can buy [3.5 inch floppy] drives. They're horribly expensive, because they're targeting a data recovery market." => wow. I assumed ordinary ones just still cost 6000 HUF, the same price they settled on like twenty years ago. but I guess it's not that simple, because current motherboards don't have a floppy connector, so they have to be USB-connected ones that contain the driver electronics.
08:23:59 <b_jonas> it doesn't seem like they're horribly expensive though, they're selling an USB one for 15000 HUF.
08:24:44 <b_jonas> but they're selling only exactly one type, the same one on all of the three big distributor sites that I checked, which is suspicious. if that one disappears then might become expensive indeed.
08:25:24 <b_jonas> "They don't say which parts fit on a floppy disk. Should provide a disk image :P" => do they have a 190 MB download without the documentation?
08:26:34 <b_jonas> that said, if something fits on a floppy, you would just be able to use a software-emulated floppy disk drive with a floppy-sized image file
08:27:16 <b_jonas> I would like to mention that the latest version of my DOS single-floppy rescue system did have a Pascal compiler plus an editor, though without documentation for the compiler+library
08:28:24 <b_jonas> the earlier version just had the qbaseic interpreter instead
08:29:13 <b_jonas> I removed that because the interpreter is built into the same exe as the editor, and I wanted to replace the editor with a different one, so different editor plus Pascal just seemed like a better choice
08:29:28 <river> regarding IRC time travel: It does go back in time, but a very very very tiny amount. A bit less than 0.1. if we look back at the time when the clock was moved, it doesn't go back in time, it just has a different value (the clock value changes, but not the time)
08:31:01 <fungot> b_jonas: they are. new england is the several most northeastern states in the universe. all we deal with many types of strings?
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10:10:39 <int-e> b_jonas: Hmm. Yeah, they're not as expensive as I remember. (Still exceed the value I'd get out of them by orders of magnitude :P)
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10:12:56 <int-e> Ooh... I had not seen the floopy disk *emulators* (hardware) before. Now that's something that makes more sense! (It's for industrial devices that were designed for floppy disks, but you can insert a USB memory stick instead)
10:13:29 <Taneb> I've been considering posting a floppy disk to EMF camp
10:16:10 <int-e> I think I still have... about 3 floppy disks.
10:16:58 <int-e> One of them is the 1993 (or -94?) Lemmings christmas edition.
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11:11:58 <b_jonas> I have zero floppy disks and floppy drives. I held out for a bit but eventually I got rid of all of them.
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11:17:03 <int-e> I remember threading 5 1/4 floppies on a string when I got rid of them (they didn't stack very well beyond maybe 30 of them)
11:17:47 <b_jonas> int-e: I got a few floppy boxes out of it when I got rid of them, useful for M:tG cards
11:18:20 <int-e> I have no... wait, I have about a dozen M:tG cards.
11:19:05 <b_jonas> almost all cheap and no expensive ones
11:22:31 <int-e> I played with others for a while (sometimes just to fix parity); I never built my own decks.
11:22:43 <int-e> And well, that was over a decade ago.
11:23:09 <b_jonas> oh, you mean number of players?
11:23:13 <int-e> The game works best with an even number of players
11:23:42 <Taneb> I've only played with borrowed decks because I wanted to be hanging out with people who were playing magic
11:23:46 <b_jonas> didn't bother us too much when we were five partying together, out of five someone always wants to sit out; but if you play during recess at school or university it may matter
11:24:17 <b_jonas> in fact five may be better than four
11:24:27 <b_jonas> exactly because someone wants to sit out more often than not
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11:26:03 <int-e> IIRC there's even a weird 5 player mode where everyone can attack the two players opposite...
11:26:48 <int-e> Or maybe that's something they made up locally. I never checked. People had fun, that was the important bit.
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11:32:26 <b_jonas> int-e: sure, there are a large number of multiplayer formats
11:33:15 <b_jonas> in general duels (two player against each other) are the fastest format by far, 2 vs 2 multiplayer is slower, and 3 player multiplayer (everyone on their own) is even faster because it leads to the kind of strat where you always support the weakest player
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12:31:03 <river> fungot: thoughts on godels 5th incompleteness theorem?
12:31:03 <fungot> river: zpg i think emacs has quite a fnord
12:32:10 <int-e> fungot: will you break when FF 100 is released?
12:32:11 <fungot> int-e: i think anmaster lives under a tree, then that fnord you to break hygiene.
12:32:38 <int-e> (those versions surely got out of hands)
12:33:25 <int-e> (this also reminds me of how MS skipped Windows 9... and the theory that they did that because people might be testing for Window 95/98 by checking a prefix)
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13:38:08 <b_jonas> fungot, can you explain the difference between an inference, conference, and contraference?
13:38:08 <fungot> b_jonas: re. zsh, " fnord cc " " while() fnord fnord))
13:45:00 <river> fungot: p value on that?
13:52:29 <b_jonas> fungot: how about inversion, conversion, and contraversion?
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14:53:40 <Corbin> fungot: I don't care if it doesn't have much fnord in it, I DON'T LIKE FNORD!
14:53:40 <fungot> Corbin: once srfis 43 46 to leave room for the really simple solutions... the problems were solved over time, like i'm making a big deal, it makes more *sense* that way, glassbot could double as bfbot.
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18:25:27 <esolangs> [[User:Ginger Industries]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=95327 * Ginger Industries * (+121) Created page with "Hi, I'm Ginger. I do stuff here and on [https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/108218/ginger Code Golf Stack Exchange]."
18:26:02 <river> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWLOCDYtVbQ
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19:21:45 <Ginger> I come from Code Golf Stack Exchange
19:25:38 <Ginger> I'll get to the point: What are yall's thoughts on this? https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Community_portal#Suggestion:_Bot_to_auto-update_the_language_list
19:27:58 <Guest98> Do you mean a bot that makes sure that every page with a language category is either in the language list or the joke language list?
19:28:33 <Ginger> according to my calculations there are currently 154 unlisted Category:Languages pages
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19:42:00 <Ginger> so what do yall think?
19:42:43 <Ginger> Are there any admins here?
19:42:50 <Ginger> I'd need one of them to approve the bot
19:44:58 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Masalt * New user account
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19:49:28 <esolangs> [[User:Masalt]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=95330 * Masalt * (+30) Created page with "masalt: the garbage programmer"
19:50:42 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * GingerBot * New user account
19:51:12 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=95331&oldid=95329 * GingerBot * (+120)
19:59:03 <Ginger> there seems to be no ambox template
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20:03:15 <Ginger> I note there _was_ an ambox template but it got deleted
20:03:42 <Ginger> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template%3AAmbox
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20:05:51 <esolangs> [[BlueBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=95332&oldid=95325 * PixelatedStarfish * (+24) /* Proof of Turing Completeness */
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20:08:04 <Ginger> are any admins online?
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20:17:50 <int-e> I don't think we should have that redundancy in the first place... the categories should be enough. :-/
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20:22:32 <river> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages
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20:35:47 <Guest98> Does anyone here know of any online Homespring visualizers?
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20:38:48 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload * GingerBot * uploaded "[[File:Emblem-system-2-blue.png]]"
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20:58:48 <esolangs> [[User:GingerBot]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=95335 * GingerBot * (+337) Created page with "<div style="border: 1px solid #A2A9B1; background-color: #F8F9FA; width: 50%; padding: 5px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"> [[File:Emblem-system-2-blue.png]]<span sty..."
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21:11:55 <b_jonas> Guest98: nice, harmonizing the category with the language list. did you happen to have counted how many are in the two lists but not in the two categories?
21:12:15 <b_jonas> er sorry, I mean Ginger: ^
21:12:43 <b_jonas> and yes, there are usually wiki admins in this channel, or they'll see your questions in the channel logs
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22:42:47 <esolangs> [[User:Gai]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=95338&oldid=95322 * Gai * (+75) ahhh
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22:59:57 <esolangs> [[Talk:List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=95341&oldid=89376 * Gai * (+232) /* Need help naming my esolang */ new section
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