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07:47:44 <zzo38> If a source with deathtouch deals unpreventable damage to a creature with shield counters, how many shield counters are removed? (in Magic: the Gathering)
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08:35:01 <zzo38> (Actually, I think I figured out)
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09:28:27 <int-e> Oh... why didn't I think of turning to M:tG to answer the question of the result of an unstoppable force meeting an immovable obejct...
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10:11:11 <b_jonas> int-e: next try to Invert an Infinity Elemental and have it fight a normal Infinity Elemental
10:13:26 <b_jonas> int-e: also Smullyan writes that the immovable wall unstoppable cannonball makes no sense to ask, so I'll just appeal to his book as an authority
10:16:29 <b_jonas> fungot, what happens when you shoot an unstoppable cannonball at an immovable wall?
10:16:29 <fungot> b_jonas: as esolang that has i/ o, the i/ o :) it's just that
10:18:07 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack oots pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp ukparl youtube
10:18:12 <fungot> Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006)
10:18:56 <b_jonas> hon. member fungot, what happens when you shoot an unstoppable cannonball at an immovable wall?
10:18:57 <fungot> b_jonas: mr president, i am optimistic that we shall be unable to support the call on the commission' s recent communication on industrial policy, has accepted the schwaiger report vote, could i make one further point: the ratio of the non-working to the working conditions of moroccan communities in the enlargement process.
10:19:50 <int-e> Hmm. Unstable. But aren't there some weird rules around infinity that effectivle make them finit... like... active player picks a number for their infinity; then the inactive player picks a number for theirs? Which with good play will cause both infinity elementals to die...
10:20:59 <int-e> wait, who has the one with infinite defense^Wtoughness?
10:24:14 <b_jonas> int-e: those rules apply to when you have an unbounded number of steps, and they cowardly try to restrict the game to less than omega length rather than allowing higher cardinalities, and in the meantime they manage to be both badly written so their meaning is often unclear, uncomputable so you might not have an algorithm that judges the outcome of a game action, and probably even contradictory in that
10:24:21 <b_jonas> you can't expand them to a well-defined set of rules. they don't say anything about the infinity sign nonsense that's on Un-cards. half of the Un-cards just don't make sense if you try to figure out the rules for them, and Infinity elemental is one of them.
10:25:18 <int-e> b_jonas: Right... the puzzle here is: what would that card be worded like if it weren't an uncard...
10:25:41 <int-e> And each player picking an arbitrary natural number on demand seems to be the closest reasonable thing to do.
10:25:49 <int-e> Not that I care overly much.
10:26:09 <b_jonas> that said, I think Wizard admits that they don't really support the un-cards rule-wise, and that's part (but not all) why they're not tournament legal. they're meant to be jokes that sometimes happen to be serious, but sometimes they're just not.
10:27:37 <b_jonas> I have no opinion on Infinity elemental rules-wise in particular. I just don't find it an appealing card, unlike eg. the donkeys which can be expanded to have a reasonable set of rules that fit well with normal Magic rules,
10:28:02 <b_jonas> though those aren't quite the rules that MaRo wrote, because MaRo is just not a good authority on rules issues.
10:29:01 <int-e> Somehow the only uncard I remember is the blacker lotus... probably because the joke was so easy to understand.
10:47:50 <b_jonas> int-e: not even City of Ass, which became much more overpowered since mana burn was abolished?
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10:50:50 <int-e> I vaguely recall the silly half-point stuff.
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10:51:35 <int-e> double-cross doesn't ring a bell at all
10:55:51 <b_jonas> how about the lots of physical dexterity cards like Volrath's Motion Sensor, Shoe Tree, Handy Dandy Clone Machine, or in the extended sense Cheatyface, Avatar of Me, Elvish House Party? not necessarily those cards, just any of the other large number that try to make un-M:tG less of an abstract mathematical game
10:56:13 <b_jonas> the other half-point stuff that you may have heard of is probably Little Girl
10:57:39 <b_jonas> or perhaps Chaos Confetti is the best example for the physical dexterity cards, because it's paired with Blacker Lotus and the joke is similarly easy to understand
10:59:18 <b_jonas> I admit Blacker Lotus is memorable because it was useful when we played vanishing 3-card blind on the internet
10:59:29 <b_jonas> but it's not the only such un-card actually
10:59:45 <b_jonas> multiple silver-bordered cards came up because they're often not balanced properly
11:04:56 <b_jonas> including silver-bordered cards from Mytery Booster Playtest and Happy Holidays
11:05:52 <b_jonas> Happy Holidays was surprisingly useful compared to how few cards it has
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12:49:39 <esolangs> [[Truth-machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=95718&oldid=95678 * BowlingPizzaBall * (+177) added C, surprised this wasn't added before
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12:56:39 <wib_jonas> https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-magic/unfinity-and-beyond-2021-11-29 wtf, another un-set already?
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15:21:38 <int-e> Heh, I didn't know that gnuplot allows zigzagging all over the place when plotting "with lines"... https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/hilbert.png
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15:50:25 <wib_jonas> int-e: I did know. I used and abused gnuplot way too much some years ago, even at work.
15:51:47 <int-e> (As usual it's possible that I've done this before and forgot.)
15:55:26 <wib_jonas> https://www.perlmonks.com/?node_id=740055 doesn't count as zigzagging, but it's all over the place and with lines
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16:04:53 <esolangs> [[Asig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=95732&oldid=95731 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+170) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Asig programming language on GitHub and changed the category tag Unimplemented to Implemented.
16:06:53 <wib_jonas> but then I also drew plots without gnuplot at work
16:07:44 <wib_jonas> plots for myself or coworkers to stare at
16:09:24 <esolangs> [[Asig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=95733&oldid=95732 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+258) Added two examples, one being a Hello, World! program, the other a one-time cat program.
16:12:28 <esolangs> [[Asig]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=95734&oldid=95733 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+1782) Added an Extended Backus-Naur Form (EBNF) description of the syntax.
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16:22:14 <esolangs> [[\/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=95736&oldid=95735 * CappyIsCrappy * (+2) Made it a unordered list
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16:27:49 <esolangs> [[Talk:\/]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=95738&oldid=95702 * CappyIsCrappy * (+312) /* Just found out something */ new section
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