< 1653264436 663688 :archenoth!~archenoth@2604:3d09:681:f00:844e:7ce:c390:2707 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1653264886 514381 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1653265043 143620 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1653266313 386077 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1653266335 525958 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1653266388 845751 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1653268415 219728 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turimg14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=97098 5* 03Zip 5* (+4273) 10Created page with "Turimg is a minimalist language, meant to directly parallel how [[Turing machine]]s work. = Environment = The environment of Turimg consists of an infinitely long tape, with..." > 1653268880 471278 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Turimg14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97099&oldid=97098 5* 03Zip 5* (+102) 10 > 1653269777 718599 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dimensional14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97100&oldid=97094 5* 03NutronStar45 5* (+42) 10 > 1653270739 113000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97101&oldid=95519 5* 03NutronStar45 5* (+4) 10 > 1653270782 603308 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97102&oldid=96609 5* 03NutronStar45 5* (+4) 10 < 1653273668 795574 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space JOIN #esolangs SoniEx2 :Genders: Autgender, 💜⬜💚; Soni L. > 1653275403 494801 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CheB14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=97103&oldid=96558 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+27) 10/* Examples */ Add category < 1653283091 438812 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - 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I think some of them are higher vs lower level solutions, some are just older mechanisms < 1653341795 899038 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was kind of planning to set up a read cache thing, and possibly even a setup where I mirror some important data between two hard disks, AND cache that and more data on an SSD, < 1653341862 711354 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but so far I haven't set it up. I kind of got scared away by the parts where it seems like I can't easily set it up such that I can at least easily read the data with a rescue disk from just the hard disk partition file system without having the software modules that handles the caching and mirroring < 1653341888 609320 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's probably possible to set it up correctly but so far I haven't had much need for fast disk access so I haven't bothered < 1653341910 28674 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least I have bought an SSD before their price spiked, so in that sense I'm future proof – if only I had bought a video card too < 1653341953 187111 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :part of the problem is of course that you can do the setup incorrectly and lose data because of that even when you hadn't lost that data if you just use one spinny disk file system with no complications < 1653342068 682465 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, according to what I heard from people who do need to store lots of data and access it fast, this kind of thing is quite stable and Linux is suitable for it < 1653342142 936219 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yeah, part of the problem with me setting it up was that all the cheap hard disks (including the ones I bought, all three brands) are now SMR, controlled purely by the firmware, with the SMR control not exposed to the OS such that the OS could control it if it wanted < 1653342220 693415 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :whcih is evil in itself and I hope it will change, but it can't really because if there are no disks that at least have an optional OS-controlled SMR mode then the kernel and file system developers can't test software SMR handling in realistic ways for future cheap drives < 1653342263 452821 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's the same stupid thing as back when all solid state pendrives tried to fake not being a solid state pendrive and didn't give the OS control over them, such as discarding blocks or FLUSHING < 1653342343 509991 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, the problem is that the firmware controlled SMR drive hits a state where all the non-SMR parts are full and it needs to write, it can reputedly lock up in a rearranging busy state for a too long time, at which point the software raid will (reasonably) think that the disk is dead and remove it from the raid array, and that's why I didn't set up mirroring < 1653342361 718728 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do want to set it up so that if either one fails then the data is still readable from the other one, though. (even if that requires changing one of the configuration files using a live CD before the hard disk will boot) < 1653342368 264076 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What does "SMR" means? < 1653342406 15897 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: the shingled thing, where there are short sequences of cylinders that can only be written in a certain direction, because writing one cylinder clobbers the data in the next cylinder (but not in the previous cylinder) < 1653342476 93516 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIUC the physical mechanism is that the write head has to write a wider track than the read head can read, so if the tracks as written overlap you can still read the early edge of the earlier track even though most of the width of the track is overwritten by the later cylinder < 1653342547 661848 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: you can set it up so that if one fails it's readable from the other. what may be hard is to set it up so that it's readable from one drive without the kernel module (and possibly user-space software) that handles the raid < 1653342571 163774 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this may be by design so that you don't accidentally *write* it without raid-compatible software < 1653342816 379774 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :That makes sense, but possibly file system flags could be used (if the file system supports such flags)? SQLite header already has such a capability, even though it is not currently used. So, I should think that it might be possible to design file systems to support such a thing too, maybe < 1653342874 196742 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: it's almost certainly possible to set it up, IIUC for the caching thing you can still mount the spinny disk file system without the software BUT you have to use a loop device with the correct offset, because the partition will have a header before the real file system that you have to skip < 1653342892 388712 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know about with raid mirroring < 1653342904 660197 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps someone else on IRC knows < 1653342997 904921 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, these days even linux rescue disks will have llvm so it's probaly not actually a problem assuming you're using linux < 1653343189 638871 :sprout!~quassel@2a02-a467-ccd6-1-d9fc-9bca-b2db-c7f1.fixed6.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I never was much of a hardware man < 1653343207 123722 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as far as I can see this is a software thing. should be anyway. < 1653343261 541846 :sprout!~quassel@2a02-a467-ccd6-1-d9fc-9bca-b2db-c7f1.fixed6.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's how much of not a hardware man I am < 1653343363 550165 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean I'm not saying that there shouldn't be raid acceleration hardware on some motherboards, but those are relevant for setups with parity, not with the raid 1 setups that we're talking about here. And while I think it's silly to advertise every piece of computer hardware as "gaming", even the hardware raid motherboards, that's besides the point here. < 1653343501 684975 :sprout!~quassel@2a02-a467-ccd6-1-d9fc-9bca-b2db-c7f1.fixed6.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, it's just that you're getting hardware to work by messing with the software < 1653343526 950525 :sprout!~quassel@2a02-a467-ccd6-1-d9fc-9bca-b2db-c7f1.fixed6.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :cannot say I never did that. but these days certainly I try to avoid all that < 1653343580 842672 :sprout!~quassel@2a02-a467-ccd6-1-d9fc-9bca-b2db-c7f1.fixed6.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :why not buy a raid solution with a cache? too costly? < 1653344094 937520 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a very "asynchronous" setup here where there's a mirrored RAID setup with two larger spinny drives, and one significantly smaller SSD. A bunch bulky and/or rarely accessed data is on the spinny side, but the home directory itself is on the SSD, and to guard against data loss from SSD failure I just have it back up the SSD contents nightly to the spinny disks. < 1653344131 917116 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Always keep thinking I should replace it with something a bit more "online", like just using the SSD as a block device cache with LVM, or something. So that it'd be all in sync automatically, and also I wouldn't have to organize what goes where by hand. But never seem to get around to figuring that out. < 1653344358 70864 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used to buy WD "Red" drives, and they did a thing where they had both SMR models (WD40EFAX) and CMR models (WD40EFRX) but with the exact same branding, and I bought one of the CMR models from Amazon, and they sent me the SMR one, so I returned it for a replacement, and I'll be darned if they didn't send me _another_ SMR one. < 1653344417 491353 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since then they've changed the branding of the CMR drives from "WD Red" to "WD Red Plus", which I kind of would hope would make that less of an issue. < 1653344493 242627 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://blog.westerndigital.com/wd-red-nas-drives/ "We want to thank our customers and partners for your feedback --" < 1653344496 987754 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's public relations code for "we received an incredible amount of bad press about this". < 1653344810 644523 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sprout: wait, how do you avoid "getting hardware to work by messing with software"? that sounds so general there's no way you can avoid it all < 1653344904 208545 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: hehe < 1653344940 814334 :Everything!~Everythin@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1653345267 383904 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1653345362 624689 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the four disks that I bought with this computer are: WD WD40EZAZ Blue, 2× Toshiba HDWD240UZSVA P300, Seagate ST4000DM004. all four SMR, all four 4 TB capacity. < 1653345384 613092 :sprout!~quassel@2a02-a467-ccd6-1-d9fc-9bca-b2db-c7f1.fixed6.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: no idea. but I personally just push buttons on the laptops I buy and try to avoid all hardware settings < 1653345659 803395 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :If I have "tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors" but also have -v (verbose mode), can I see what the errors are (e.g. by logging them)? < 1653345723 678171 :sprout!~quassel@2a02-a467-ccd6-1-d9fc-9bca-b2db-c7f1.fixed6.kpn.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/tar.1.html < 1653345789 934976 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do have the man page on my computer and I have read it < 1653345846 836157 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: probably just log the whole stderr of tar in that case, and grep for errors < 1653345864 223183 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a Seagate ST4000DM000, which I believe is old enough that it was still CMR, and then to pair up with it (when another old drive gave up) I got a Seagate ST4000VN008 (one of those IronWolf "NAS" drives), which is CMR as well. < 1653345898 315317 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: a typical error is chmod or chown failing on a FAT partition, so if you are extracting to a FAT partition and running tar as root (which makes it chmod by default), then try tell it --no-same-permissions --no-same-owner < 1653345940 833367 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :another typical error is adding files and one of the file names that you tell it is a nonexistent file < 1653345970 507372 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do also seem to have a ST4000DM004 as well, in the set of three drives that form the chain of "offsite" backups (one in the computer receiving incremental backups, one on the shelf at home, and one in a bank vault at an undisclosed location), but I think that particular use case works fine with SMR. < 1653346008 247962 :immibis_!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1653346017 849997 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: oh wow, you actually use a bank vault, as opposed to a relative's home? < 1653346095 658818 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, for now. The banks in, uh, the undisclosed country, have been aggressively turning down those services for some reason. But it hasn't hit the particular location ours is in yet. < 1653346165 834520 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :To be clear, it's like a 5cm by 25cm by 32cm locker in a glorified filing cabinet of sorts, but at least that cabinet is _inside_ a vault with an impressive door. < 1653346210 20443 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a copy of the wiki in there too, although it's something like two years old at this point, since during the pandemic I haven't been traveling to where it is. < 1653346215 53388 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: yes, I know, but I know how expensive bank lockers are. < 1653346245 90744 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the monthly fee is like crazy. it can be worth if you're storing precious metal, but for a hard disk less so < 1653346260 524398 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I store backups on DVDs in a cupboard in the basement. < 1653346262 997922 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, this particular one costs something like 5€/month, and is even mostly covered by a loyalty scheme bonus credit system. < 1653346263 346803 :immibis!~hexchat@62.156.144.218 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1653346299 625214 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine the low prices have something to do with why banks are no longer offering that. < 1653346391 53432 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If/when we do have to give it up, I've been considering just keeping the "offsite" drive at the office instead. < 1653346510 274274 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am just splitting the backups manually, now. I wrote on a paper, which directories are backup in which file. For now I am writing them to a USB flash drive, and will later record them on a DVD. (Due to the hard drive keeping resetting, I will not record them from the hard drive directly to DVDs.) < 1653347230 57652 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: office can work too if a relative isn't available, sure < 1653347296 480152 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: my bkpprog split does allow splitting manually, or a combination where you split manually but then it splits each manual group to archives based on file sizes < 1653347311 858749 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do use the partial manual splitting actually < 1653347380 614717 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-3-240.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I keep the bkpplan file next to the backups, or each disk with the backups, since that's an index that tells which directory is in which archive chunk > 1653349065 673298 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfry14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=97119 5* 03CappyIsCrappy 5* (+72) 10Created page with "Brainfry is a '''brainfuck derivative''' made by [[User:CappyIsCrappy]]."