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17:29:14 <b_jonas> Portal 2 is over 10 years old now? wow! we're getting old
17:29:33 <int-e> b_jonas: can you explain why today's redactle has a 100+ median...
17:29:48 <b_jonas> int-e: hmm, let me play it
17:30:10 <int-e> (well "today", it updated 90 minutes ago)
17:30:44 <b_jonas> hmm... ___ century with just a three-letter word? that must be ancient
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17:34:10 <int-e> (of course those redactle statistics suffer from survivor bias, so not sure how meaningful they really are)
17:36:31 <b_jonas> int-e: many players, including me, probably don't optimize for least guesses. this one does seem hard though.
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17:38:40 <b_jonas> (well most of them are hard until you get the right guess at which point they become easy)
17:39:18 <int-e> eh neither do I (I got 34 today but I felt lucky... I still expected to see the usual 50-60 median though)
17:39:40 <int-e> in contrast I had 93 yesterday and the median *was* about 50
17:41:30 <int-e> hey... maybe they should report the variance too
17:49:18 <b_jonas> hmm, looks like this is something qbar gb obgu navznyf naq cynagf. what could it be?
17:49:39 <b_jonas> I mostly found 0 and low occurances to suggest what it's not
17:52:22 <b_jonas> and it still has one digit century numbers so it can't be recent
17:52:43 <int-e> okay maybe that answers my question
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17:53:38 <b_jonas> the first word that I guess is usually "war". even when the article is not directly about the war, it often mentions something that happened during the first or second world war. this one seems to be a very peaceful topic.
17:55:12 <b_jonas> I'm at 93 and still don't have a good idea
17:57:03 <b_jonas> and yes, I know redactle is sometimes misleading because the article doesn't always include all relevant words
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17:57:38 <b_jonas> even among the top 1000 articles that are usually not badly written
17:57:48 <int-e> this one seems to be a case of having too many vaguely related keywords instead
17:58:10 <b_jonas> all articles do that
17:58:16 <b_jonas> they always have vaguely related keywords
17:59:03 <int-e> this one seems to be particularly diverse in that regard
17:59:56 <b_jonas> there's a section listing ragevrf va zhfrhzf jvgu jung frrz yvxr zhfrhz vairagbel ahzoref, which is not surprising for anything over a thousand year old, but after that section it's not mentioned again
18:02:03 <esolangs> [[DigFiles]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=100063&oldid=100058 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+30) Fix user link, category
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18:03:47 <int-e> Funny, even that is slightly misleading. I really underestimated the potential for that.
18:04:36 <esolangs> [[BizOffers]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=100064 * SpaceByte * (+4082) garbage lang ngl
18:04:46 <esolangs> [[BizOffers]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=100065&oldid=100064 * SpaceByte * (+1) 
18:05:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:SpaceByte]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=100066&oldid=100018 * SpaceByte * (+212) 
18:06:14 <esolangs> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=100067&oldid=100059 * SpaceByte * (+16) Added BizOffers
18:09:00 <b_jonas> it seems this is not about any of eryvtvba, sbbq, grkgvyr vaqhfgel, and probably not even about ntevphygher be pbzzrepr. what is it about that existed a thousand years ago everywhere in the old world?
18:10:37 <b_jonas> and the introduction, at one point it explains the etymology, at one point lists stuff that are somehow relevant, but I can't get the head or tail of how this works
18:11:07 <b_jonas> and no, it's also not about a famous person
18:12:41 <b_jonas> this isn't my longest redactle *yet*, that was #66, but it might get there
18:12:48 <b_jonas> I'm at 158 now
18:12:58 <FireFly> I haven't redactled before, but yes this seems hard :p
18:13:14 <b_jonas> I only completed 9 before this
18:13:33 <FireFly> I've gotten to the point where I just wanna know the answer at this point, heh
18:14:01 <b_jonas> I want to beat it without cheating, though I have a somewhat relaxed attitude on what counts as cheating
18:14:30 * FireFly nods
18:15:13 <int-e> hmm. I'm in the same ballpark, I do these irregularly but I might make a habit out of them... I think I'm at 10, maybe 12, including quite a few I gave up on. (People I don't know, esoteric geological concepts I didn't know, lots of stuff that is really not that common knowledge.)
18:15:42 <FireFly> this _looks_ like an interesting topic
18:15:48 <esolangs> [[lang]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=100068&oldid=100051 * SpaceByte * (+580) made 2 interpreters
18:15:53 <FireFly> which is really grating me, heh, feels like something that should be possible to figure out
18:15:55 <int-e> I don't even have much of a strategy yet. one/two/first/second are surprisingly fruitful though.
18:16:29 <int-e> This one is something common, which is why I was confused by the rather high median.
18:16:36 <FireFly> I'm trying to think of how wikipedia articles are usually phrased and guess helpful words
18:16:44 <esolangs> [[User:SpaceByte]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=100069&oldid=100035 * SpaceByte * (+220) 
18:16:50 <FireFly> well, try to guess words that I know are often used in the kind of phrasing one sees on wikipedia
18:17:04 <int-e> But, as I said, I underestimated the potential to be mislead by following keywords.
18:17:11 <b_jonas> there's a sentence that starts by "Jbeyq Navzny Cebgrpgvba" followed by more non-short words, but I think that's misleading
18:17:22 <b_jonas> `? misled
18:17:25 <HackEso> misled? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:18:20 <int-e> Yeah, misled.
18:18:20 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yes]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=100070&oldid=99966 * SpaceByte * (+172) 
18:18:48 <FireFly> I have a sentence that I feel ought to direct me probably
18:18:56 <FireFly> that I have most key elements of
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18:19:32 <FireFly> maybe I'll take a break and return to it later
18:20:40 <b_jonas> well, now it's officially my worst redactle run
18:21:25 <b_jonas> I used 195 for "metamorphic rock" and I kind of cheated on that one, and I'm at 196 for this so far
18:22:01 <int-e> metamorphic rock was the obscure geological one, I think :P
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18:25:36 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yes]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=100071&oldid=100070 * Yes * (+81) 
18:25:53 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yes]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=100072&oldid=100071 * Yes * (+5) 
18:27:12 <FireFly> oh I think I just figured it out (though by cheating a bit by looking something up on wiktionary)
18:27:50 <FireFly> that was a tricky one
18:28:38 <b_jonas> "angheny" occurs in two section headers
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18:29:19 <int-e> FireFly: nice
18:30:55 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yes]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=100073&oldid=100072 * Yes * (+183) 
18:33:16 <b_jonas> one sentence gives the etymology of the article title, saying 'Gur jbeq _______ qrevirf sebz gur Yngva _________, zrnavat "gb _____ guebhtu".' I should brute force what that last word is because it should make this easy
18:35:12 <b_jonas> argh, this is getting annoying
18:35:19 <int-e> sorry
18:35:26 <int-e> but also thanks for humoring me
18:36:10 <b_jonas> then there's some sentence way late in the article with lots of underscores
18:36:46 <b_jonas> 'A "______-______" _______ with _________ _________ _____ ___ _____ ___, one-_____-for-___ _____ ______; __ ____ ________ a _____-off _______ as an "_____ in the _________ of [the ____-known _______]" or a "_______" of _______ _______ _______.'
18:37:55 <b_jonas> also "fxva" appears 10 times in the article and I don't know why
18:38:24 <int-e> now that is worth pondering
18:39:41 <b_jonas> it was but I already excluded most of the things that it could mean
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18:43:28 <b_jonas> I'm close to starting to kind of cheat
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18:47:54 <shachaf> Hello. Do people here know all about ANS/FSE or arithmetic coding or that sort of thing?
18:49:15 <int-e> Arithmetic coding, a bit, ans, never had the fortitude to try to understand.
18:49:30 <b_jonas> it's a fricking top 1000 article. it can't be so obscure that I can't guess it! darn you, redactle
18:50:17 <b_jonas> shachaf: not all. I have one small esoteric program with the stupid kind of arithmetic coding, done preciesly with bignums.
18:50:22 <int-e> b_jonas: top 10000
18:51:21 <esolangs> [[OISC]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=100074&oldid=99775 * Tomhe * (+9) 
18:51:23 <b_jonas> only top 10000? makes sense, Angola is probably not in the top 1000
18:52:10 <int-e> Hadley cells (another one I gave up on, though I actually knew the concept... but not the name) isn't either :P
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18:53:39 <b_jonas> "ybfg va Jrfgrea Rhebcr nsgre gur snyy bs gur Jrfgrea Ebzna Rzcver." you say? what things were ybfg, I wonder
18:53:39 <int-e> FSE... maybe FSE is a kind of ASNs that's easier to digest than the original?
18:55:08 <b_jonas> also this sentence is suspicious 'Phygvingvba bs _______ sbe _____ _______ _______, _____ ___ _____ va gur ____ praghel, ____ vagb n _____ vaqhfgel va gur fbhgu bs Senapr.'
18:57:06 <b_jonas> hmm, 23 hits for "bvy"
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18:57:31 <b_jonas> and 27 more for its plural
18:57:31 <shachaf> ANS seems really good, I want to figure it out. Especially tANS/FSE.
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18:57:38 <b_jonas> it's even in the first sentence
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18:58:23 <shachaf> I read https://cs.stackexchange.com/a/49583 and it made a lot of sense to me for what ANS is about.
18:58:50 <b_jonas> whoa, I'm getting close! 'rffragvny bvyf' in the first sentence
19:01:24 <b_jonas> solved it
19:01:27 <b_jonas> 378 guesses
19:01:29 <b_jonas> this was long
19:01:35 <int-e> wild
19:02:35 <int-e> I mean, I knew I had been lucky... but I didn't expect this many potential directions to wander off topic :P
19:02:55 <b_jonas> and I got so close too! I actually guessed "fzbxvat" after I saw two hits of "gbonppb", but the word in the etymology that would have helped was "fzbxr"
19:03:12 <int-e> I felt sorry for the museum bit... because the exhibits are *not* the perfumes themselves...
19:03:20 <int-e> argh
19:03:26 <int-e> I meant to rot13 that
19:03:56 <b_jonas> int-e: sure, I didn't think they had to be, they can just be depictions of whatever the article is about in art
19:04:01 <zzo38> I had read about arithmetic coding and ANS, but I had never implemented it
19:04:32 <b_jonas> many items just don't conserve well enough to appear in a museum, but there can be depictions in metal jewelry or whatever to show them
19:04:57 <int-e> I only saw one of the early things with binary alphabet and it didn't look interesting (too complicated for what it promised to do); I didn't follow the later developments at all.
19:05:26 <b_jonas> which is important to provide evidence for how old the thing is, since for something over a thousand year old (which I knew very early that this one was because "century" is among the first words that I guess) you need because there's not enough written record
19:06:35 <b_jonas> and that sentence with "ybfg" is actually qualified by "There is controversy on whether"
19:07:08 <b_jonas> I'm not too upset about this one, because it's not a topic that I know much about
19:07:15 <int-e> I was lucky enough to hit on "zvkgher", "bqbe", "fzryy" very early... and didn't get distracted by other leads.
19:07:31 <b_jonas> nice
19:07:37 <b_jonas> how many guesses did you need again?
19:07:43 <int-e> 34
19:08:17 <b_jonas> I got the "jngre" too. didn't help much.
19:11:12 <int-e> Okay, FSE looks like something I can probably digest, judging from the first code snippet at https://fastcompression.blogspot.com/2014/01/fse-decoding-how-it-works.html
19:12:13 <int-e> (in particular: you can implement a range coder this way, though it would have way too many states to be practical)
19:14:35 <b_jonas> there were lots of words I found where the occurence wasn't misleading but just didn't help enough. like "angheny" near the cynag naq navzny sections, and "uhzna obql" in the first sentence, and "raivebazrag" and "cebgrpgvba" close to each other. "snzvyvrf" would have confused me, but I only guessed the singular, whose occurences are still misleading but didn't matter too much
19:14:59 <b_jonas> oh well, this redactle was fun
19:15:06 <b_jonas> the annoying part of fun
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19:18:17 <int-e> so unlucky
19:18:41 <b_jonas> "war" as first guess payed out big when the article was "War and Peace" by the way
19:18:49 <b_jonas> got that in 5 guesses
19:18:56 <int-e> haha
19:19:12 <b_jonas> "and" is pre-revealed and "War and ____" is very damning
19:19:16 <b_jonas> um
19:19:20 <b_jonas> "War and _____"
19:19:31 <b_jonas> I guess it wasn't my *first* guess then, only the fourth 
19:19:52 <int-e> War and Punishment by Tolstoyevsky
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19:24:12 <b_jonas> reminds me of when I looked up what the longest braille book in the MVGyOSz library was. apparently braille books top out at around 58 or 59 volumes, and there are several books that are that long but none that are longer. however, three of them is three books of a novel series, each book around 58 volumes long in braille. care to guess what serial novel that is?
19:29:34 <int-e> Braille, hmm, what's the medium like... The Eye of the World, by Robert Jordan, 1439 pages, Package Weight: about 25.8 pounds.
19:30:12 <b_jonas> it's a serial novel in _four_ books btw, but they only have three
19:32:14 <b_jonas> perhaps it's like the time traveler's grammar guide where they don't bother to rpint the whole thing because nobody reads that far
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23:52:25 <b_jonas> `? mustard watch
23:52:27 <HackEso> A mustard watch is just a classical watch extended with a certain amount of mustard in the mechanism.