00:19:44 [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=101463&oldid=101461 * PixelatedStarfish * (+74) /* Proof of Turing Completeness */ 00:26:00 [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=101464&oldid=101463 * PixelatedStarfish * (+2336) /* Proof by Translation to bf */ 00:28:08 [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=101465&oldid=101464 * PixelatedStarfish * (-2262) /* Proof of Turing Completeness */ 02:55:00 They say that last strike (in Magic: the Gathering) is a "flavorful downside". However, there are actually many ways to use it to your advantage (even if first strike and last strike together do not make it strike twice; I do not like the way the existing rule works and I suppose neither does Gottlieb). It isn't purely a downside; it depends on the situation. Even first strike is a downside in some situations too. 03:06:22 -!- tromp has joined. 03:06:35 -!- tromp has quit (Client Quit). 05:54:31 -!- impomatic has joined. 06:18:35 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 06:18:56 -!- impomatic has joined. 06:22:12 -!- tromp has joined. 06:23:06 -!- impomatic has quit (Client Quit). 06:23:25 -!- impomatic has joined. 06:31:39 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 06:53:28 -!- tromp has joined. 07:52:28 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 09:35:25 -!- tromp has joined. 09:57:53 -!- Everything has joined. 10:14:49 b_jonas: Well, this was a fun exercise: Start from a shape source like https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-monster-source.png (saturating 4 inputs), turn it into uniform shapes https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-monster-target.png (saturating 4 outputs if downstream allows) 10:16:28 * int-e wonders what people would call this (my tentative name is "harvester") 10:27:56 Hah, copying that beast will cost me 12k glue. 10:28:34 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 10:28:56 -!- impomatic has joined. 10:31:18 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 10:32:03 -!- Trieste has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:33:14 -!- impomatic has quit (Client Quit). 10:33:33 -!- impomatic has joined. 10:35:07 -!- Trieste has joined. 10:41:21 (What I have is actually fairly compact (I think)... but you need 8 four-way cutters and 96 stackers and they have to go somewhere :P https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-monster-footprint.png ) 10:43:02 I mean 16 cutters, woops. 11:06:51 [[H - Q -]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=101466&oldid=99077 * Leomok2009 * (+1) 11:14:54 -!- sprout has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 11:29:52 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:52:53 -!- sprout has joined. 11:58:12 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:58:12 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:58:32 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 11:58:42 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 13:03:25 -!- sprout has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:18:35 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Quit: Disconnecting). 13:21:20 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 13:23:24 -!- sprout has joined. 13:59:27 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:59:59 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 14:06:17 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:15:17 -!- sprout has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:16:58 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 14:39:27 -!- sprout has joined. 14:51:24 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:51:36 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 15:21:20 -!- Everything has quit (Quit: leaving). 15:30:59 [[Delambda]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=101467&oldid=101430 * Shadow Kestrel * (+2) 15:33:19 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Execution of a Denver-Augusta-Harrisburg program starts with the main thread and the system th..." 16:58:29 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=101473&oldid=101459 * Qpliu * (+32) /* D */ 16:59:27 -!- Trieste has joined. 17:09:10 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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However, that will require changing more things, to remove code that is no longer needed, unless the compiler will automatically optimize it but I do not know if it will. 19:08:12 They want to use Unicode for everything, but Unicode is no good. 19:11:13 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 19:16:45 What kind of non Unicode text do you use? the mainframe thing? 19:18:14 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 19:21:22 Do you mean EBCDIC? No, but I do want LENGTH, collations, etc to work properly with non-Unicode text, including PC, ISO-8859-1, EUC-JP, and whatever else it might be (including encodings not currently known). 19:23:07 -!- tromp has joined. 19:25:59 It's been a long time, is ISO-8859-1 latin-1 ? 19:26:55 Yes. 19:27:41 -!- user3456 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:27:56 -!- user3456_ has joined. 19:28:44 No offense but I think that fight has been lost for 10 years 19:29:39 Additionally, I will try to make the exposure of use of SQLite record format including usable inside of other data 19:30:00 -!- user3456_ has changed nick to user3456. 19:32:26 I will continue to use non-Unicode anyways. Unicode-only string types leads to bugs anyways for one thing, assuming something is Unicode text even though it is not necessarily text in any encoding, ignoring the locale and assuming that it is Unicode even though it isn't, displaying text that seems OK but it isn't, Han unification, ambiguous widths, assuming that a "character" is the same as a "code point", etc. 19:33:20 -!- SGautam has joined. 19:33:24 My "Free Hero Mesh" game engine also exclusively uses non-Unicode. Currently only single-byte encodings are implemented but in future I will intend that multi-byte encodings may also be implemented (e.g. EUC-JP). 19:33:43 Well, if you look at rust, str is always utf8, not just assumed to be 19:34:09 Yes, and that is a problem, it leads to misuse of those data types. 19:34:15 I think the distinction between text and raw bytes is clear enough 19:34:22 Nah, it's only for text 19:34:26 File names and environment variables are not necessarily UTF-8, although some programs assume that they are. 19:35:31 Sure, programming languages should handle that better 19:35:38 It's on them, not on unicode 19:35:51 (eg OsStr in rust does that well) 19:36:51 Yes, but some modern programming language fail to make considerations like that. This is also true of libraries, protocols (including D-bus), etc; not only the programming language itself. 19:38:08 Right 19:38:34 I think locales are worse though, you don't even have a unified string type beyond "byte array" 19:39:26 And then, there is problem of string literals, too (in some programming languages; others are good, though). 19:40:05 Not having a unified string type beyond "byte array" would be an advantage in my opinion, though. 19:42:58 Maybe I will also need to invent International Components for Non-Unicode. It should include the capability to use many encodings which cannot be converted to/from Unicode too, including TRON encoding, and others. 19:43:33 (Although, it is intention that it can deal with any encoding including Unicode, but does not use Unicode for anything other than dealing with directly Unicode text.) 19:43:53 (So, maybe the name is not quite accurate, but it is almost accurate) 19:44:37 [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=101474&oldid=101465 * PixelatedStarfish * (+36) /* Proof of Turing Completeness */ 19:44:45 How do you deal with text literals in a project where people have various locales? 19:47:53 It depends on the specific project. In some cases, putting non-ASCII text in separate files will be better, I think. 19:50:02 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 19:55:34 [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=101475&oldid=101474 * PixelatedStarfish * (+76) /* Proof by Translation to bf */ 20:04:50 [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=101476&oldid=101475 * PixelatedStarfish * (+76) /* Proof by Translation to bf */ 20:08:03 [[BunnyBell]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=101477&oldid=101476 * PixelatedStarfish * (+59) /* General Palettes */ 20:14:58 -!- tech_exorcist has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:15:55 -!- tech_exorcist has joined. 20:27:10 -!- tromp has joined. 20:31:43 Does any UNIX shell have a command to create a unnamed temporary file and then returns the file path in /proc to that file (which will then automatically be deleted once the process terminates or the file descriptor is closed, since there are no other references to it)? 20:38:58 isn't that what /tmp is for? 20:49:34 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:49:40 -!- Church has joined. 20:49:44 Can you even have nameless files on Linux? 20:50:13 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 20:51:51 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…). 20:53:56 -!- tromp has joined. 20:55:09 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Write error: Connection reset by peer). 20:57:39 Yes, open(2) with O_TMPFILE will create an unnamed inode. 20:59:05 (But it has to be in a named directory.) 20:59:45 Yes, but I think bash does not have that capability, as far as I know? 21:00:10 Fascinating JAA, til 21:00:24 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 21:06:17 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:06:30 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 21:11:11 zzo38: Yeah, I'm not sure there's a reasonable real use case for something like that. If the shell process is the only one that has access to the file (via the open FD), it can't pass the file to any subprocess. The only thing it could do with it is read/write from it directly, including redirections to a subprocess's stdin and stuff like that. But there are other ways to do that, so I'd be surprised if any 21:11:17 shell out there supported it. 21:20:58 It can pass the name of the file in /proc to another process though, I would expect. (Of course the other process must have permission to read that directory, though) 21:31:57 [[Delambda]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=101478&oldid=101467 * Shadow Kestrel * (+1612) file IO and part of basic canvas 21:35:01 Yeah, that's possible, but I don't see why any shell would implement it. 21:35:27 You could surely write your own shell with a mktemp builtin that does that though. 21:42:38 -!- SGautam has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 21:42:43 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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