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ZZZzzz… < 1662366511 92630 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: FWIW, after some experiments it seems pretty clear what state isn't saved: Any items that are inside a production building (I've tested cutter, stacker, rotator (!), and color mixer) are lost when reloading. (Thanks to cheating I have a level 27 savegame at 1x speedup, which makes testing this quite easy.) Interestingly, the internal state of splitters *is* saved, and extractor progress... < 1662366517 38586 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...(time left until next item) is also saved. < 1662366577 451076 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which also means that my workaround (clearing the factories of items before saving) is pretty much the right thing to do. < 1662367103 911383 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :items buffered inside splitters are lost though. The only type of buffer that seems to be saved is the output buffer of filters < 1662367187 70790 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(both outputs) < 1662367863 141900 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, no, I was wrong... even splitters and/or mergers lose items... and that's without buffering. I guess their "processing" window is rather short so it doesn't happen all the time. So the fact that their internal bit (which side next) is saved is actually a bit surprising :P < 1662367975 843874 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1662369903 282475 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1662370721 250273 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Oh I also finally understood why it makes no real difference whether you saturate 12 belts or 16 at the hub, as long as it's enough to deliver 200/s... it's rather unintuitive to me, but the math does work out that way if you want to reliably win without making assumptions about the offset of the 10s window. < 1662370971 960789 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I've also finally realized how to divide by 3 cheaply) < 1662371176 230211 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1662371249 530140 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: saves lose items inside certain buildings. I see. < 1662371414 926321 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Factorio is much more careful about saves because of network multiplayer. Clients have the whole game state and repeat most computations parallel to the server, mostly so that the graphics can show an up to date state better. When a client starts up, its game state gets initialized by the server sending a save. There are still a few things computed < 1662371415 389709 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :only on the server. Mods need to be careful about this too or else they can't be used in multiplayer, and multiplayer is popular enough (plus good advertising for mods) that most mods want to work in multiplayer. < 1662371558 389371 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :As for shapez.io I didn't really encounter these problems, except that one time in the rocket factory. I mostly built stuff robust enough, even when it cost optimizations, that I didn't notice when anything changed from a save. My shapez.io and factorio builds reflect my general programming style. < 1662371601 566588 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Given what you say though, it's possible that the museum of freeplay shapes could have lost a shape from a save-reload at some point. < 1662371623 494083 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I never tried to count the shapes in the museum and check the tally to the level number. < 1662371673 721215 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah it wasn't a problem except for my rocket factory (which uses the outputs of a 4-way-cutter in different ways, so different amounts of shapes are lost... eventually unbalancing the thing enough to slow it down) < 1662371735 890707 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually the logo factory was also affected by this, but it survived a larger number of load/save cycles without needing help < 1662371781 751036 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, I could flush belts for those and be happy... it's only noew that I'm really down to cycle-counting (so to speak) that it has become a "real" issue. < 1662371808 140937 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"real"... in the end it's just a game. < 1662371814 61622 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I figured that there is also a theoretical but low chance that two adjacent freeplay levels use the same shape, in which case the circuit logic can't detect the leveling. Freeplay shapes have a pretty low entropy, less than 32 bits I think, because they're not uniformly distributed. < 1662371824 695320 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :right < 1662371845 429645 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Really? I don't think my logo factory was affected, but I guess you could make one that is. < 1662371852 411068 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd have to manually control the delivery mechanism if that happened. < 1662372063 790620 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh no, it's the flower shape, because of this part: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-flower-detail.png < 1662372092 903586 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which again, recombines outputs of a cutter with different intermediate processing steps < 1662372124 780821 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ironically I can probably fix that in place by replacing the belt by mergers < 1662372136 829824 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(which have an internal buffer... which can be lost) < 1662372143 828367 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. < 1662372256 991608 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have parts in my freeplay factory that combine two quarters to opposite corners, but never three. I don't recall the details of how they're built. < 1662372284 974916 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But if they had locked up during saves that easily I would have noticed and fixed it. < 1662372679 814744 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him - IT, EN < 1662372747 560126 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The rocket factory is the most affected. You can actually *see* it in https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-rocket-clog.png ... the bottom one is freshly reset; the top one is after one save cycle (maybe two, not sure)... note how the belts from the lower cutter are populated to a different degree < 1662372754 180497 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :In other eso news, I decided that my previous plan about Consumer society will never work.  I wanted only release anything about it after I design the standard library, write a reference interpreter with a certain eso property in its implementation (not fully obfuscated, mind you, still a readable reference interpreter, just doing one weird < 1662372754 708693 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :thing), add optimizations for parts of the standard library (arithmetic mostly) in the implementation, write a pure Consumer society implementation of as much of the standard library as possible (so all of the numerics), implement some of the variants, write multiple example programs, AND write all the documentation. I will never finish that. < 1662372797 621618 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in fact, the upper factory has to wait for the left one of those pieces to travel from the cutter to the stacker... and that slows production. < 1662372801 262683 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I'll compromise, and started to write the documentation and will release it before everything is done, probably before I release any part of the implementation. < 1662372811 671607 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I *suspect* that it will never grind to a halt completely < 1662372858 610932 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1662372878 528925 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still want a large chunk of the documentation written before I release it, so don't hold your breath. < 1662374187 511211 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< 1662374955 557395 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1662374955 557431 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1662374955 557448 :genpaku!~gen@107.191.100.185 JOIN #esolangs genpaku :paku < 1662374955 557454 :user3456!user3456@user/user3456 JOIN #esolangs user3456 :user3456 < 1662374955 557468 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN #esolangs lifthrasiir :Kang Seonghoon < 1662374955 557475 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa JOIN #esolangs JAA :JustAnotherArchivist < 1662374955 557489 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot JOIN #esolangs lambdabot :Lambda_Robots:_100%_Loyal < 1662374955 557496 :benji!~benji@user/benji JOIN #esolangs benji :benji < 1662374955 557552 :dnm!sid401311@id-401311.lymington.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs dnm :dnm < 1662374955 557561 :V!~v@ircpuzzles/2022/april/winner/V JOIN #esolangs V :Wie? < 1662374955 557602 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs fizzie :Heikki Kallasjoki < 1662374955 557609 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 JOIN #esolangs ^[ :user < 1662374955 557622 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de JOIN #esolangs sknebel :sknebel < 1662374955 557629 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a JOIN #esolangs fungot :fungot-0.1 < 1662374955 557657 :fowl!~fowl@user/fowl JOIN #esolangs fowl :fowlmouth < 1662374955 557673 :haavard!root@haavard.me JOIN #esolangs haavard :Håvard Pettersson < 1662374955 557691 :oren!~oren@ec2-44-201-23-133.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN #esolangs oren :Oren Watson < 1662374955 557698 :sebbu!~sebbu@user/sebbu JOIN #esolangs sebbu :sebbu < 1662374955 558762 :lagash!lagash@2605:6400:20:b4:9c76:1538:3398:ce71 JOIN #esolangs lagash :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1662374955 558778 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu JOIN #esolangs int-e :Bertram < 1662374955 558790 :Argorok!sid195487@id-195487.hampstead.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :Argorok < 1662374955 558797 :integral!sid296274@user/integral JOIN #esolangs integral :bsmith < 1662374955 558833 :MizMahem!sid296354@user/mizmahem JOIN #esolangs MizMahem :🐍🐔 < 1662374955 558860 :imode!sid553797@user/imode JOIN #esolangs imode :imode < 1662374955 558876 :A_Dragon!A_D@libera/staff/dragon JOIN #esolangs ad :Roy Mustang, The Flame Alchemist < 1662374955 558882 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly JOIN #esolangs FireFly :firefly < 1662374955 558895 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com JOIN #esolangs myname :myname < 1662374955 558901 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf JOIN #esolangs shachaf :Shachaf Ben-Kiki < 1662374955 558925 :yuu_!sid267332@id-267332.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :yuu < 1662374955 558939 :river!river@tilde.team/user/river JOIN #esolangs river :My real name < 1662374955 558945 :hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1662374955 558958 :laerling!~laerling@static.235.77.203.116.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs laerling :Unknown < 1662374955 558965 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1662374955 558977 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :∃definition for iovoid? < 1662374955 558992 :mich181189!sid268336@londonhackspace/mich181189 JOIN #esolangs mich181189 :Michael < 1662374955 558998 :ProofTechnique!sid79547@id-79547.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs ProofTechnique :ptech < 1662374955 559003 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq JOIN #esolangs pikhq :Ada Worcester < 1662374955 559025 :Thedarkb-Desktop!~Thedarkb@92.40.197.118.threembb.co.uk JOIN #esolangs Thedarkb :Ben < 1662374955 559031 :op_4!~op_4@user/op-4/x-9116473 JOIN #esolangs op_4 :op_4 < 1662374955 559049 :shikhin!~shikhin@offtopia/offtopian JOIN #esolangs shikhin :shikhin < 1662374955 559056 :ManDeJan!3da94070ba@user/mandejan JOIN #esolangs ManDeJan :ManDeJan < 1662374955 559062 :sprout!~quassel@2a02-a467-ccd6-1-59f-c303-9eaf-d714.fixed6.kpn.net JOIN #esolangs sprout :sprout < 1662374955 559076 :ecs!ecs@user/ecs JOIN #esolangs ecs :ecs (she/her) < 1662374955 559082 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera JOIN #esolangs Riviera ::) < 1662374955 559088 :MrAureliusR!~MrAureliu@user/mraureliusr JOIN #esolangs MrAureliusR :Got ZNC? < 1662374955 559101 :bgs!~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net JOIN #esolangs bgs :bgs < 1662374955 640647 :relrod!~relrod@redhat/ansible.staff.relrod JOIN #esolangs relrod :rickymain < 1662374962 272851 :m5zs7k!aquares@web10.mydevil.net QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1662374962 370880 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1662374977 787670 :Noisytoot_!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1662374984 660453 :m5zs7k_!aquares@web10.mydevil.net JOIN #esolangs m5zs7k :m5zs7k < 1662375198 749940 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1662375529 249668 :m5zs7k_!aquares@web10.mydevil.net NICK :m5zs7k < 1662376612 111171 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1662377376 432058 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07///14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=102941&oldid=81323 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (+442) 10/* Examples */ < 1662377421 540194 :razetime!~quassel@117.254.34.75 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1662377461 602840 :razetime!~quassel@117.254.35.62 JOIN #esolangs razetime :razetime < 1662378081 923900 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1662380150 424783 :immibis_!~hexchat@i689751E6.versanet.de JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1662380380 122432 :Noisytoot_!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot NICK :Noisytoot < 1662381370 876635 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1662381740 601703 :Nick!~Nick@host109-156-134-73.range109-156.btcentralplus.com JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Nick < 1662381758 458030 :Nick!~Nick@host109-156-134-73.range109-156.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hello! < 1662383248 161145 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1662385641 873327 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1662385726 993063 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03PotatoeCat 5* 10New user account < 1662385782 85160 :Nick!~Nick@host109-156-134-73.range109-156.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1662385869 987522 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=102942&oldid=102931 5* 03PotatoeCat 5* (+128) 10/* Introductions */ < 1662386028 934847 :tech_exorcist_!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him - IT, EN < 1662386051 833625 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1662386063 705203 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1662390003 444470 :tech_exorcist_!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1662390084 842165 :tech_exorcist_!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him - IT, EN < 1662390133 232871 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1662391037 34192 :sprout!~quassel@2a02-a467-ccd6-1-59f-c303-9eaf-d714.fixed6.kpn.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1662391190 516246 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - https://znc.in < 1662391190 641692 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - https://znc.in < 1662392670 357421 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1662392730 927672 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1662393258 747889 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1662393834 718051 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662394614 992421 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1662394903 376054 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - https://znc.in < 1662394903 658186 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - https://znc.in < 1662396205 481458 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1662396266 589658 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1662396356 881301 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1662397810 744227 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1662397902 766557 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1662398512 486378 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: ah no, I've been careful with how I make the diagonal two quarter shapes. https://i.stack.imgur.com/A435z.jpg I split one output of the quad-cutter and glue the two split quarters. that won't lock up. < 1662398575 433083 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :takes a bit more space than rotating and gluing two outputs admittedly < 1662398590 685606 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1662398677 935380 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's after painting btw, I just happened to take the screenshot when the output was to be gray < 1662398820 506653 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :here's a three-quarter in the logo factory: https://i.stack.imgur.com/0tdxe.jpg < 1662398848 750121 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that one is partially locked up < 1662398849 587865 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops < 1662398863 840741 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can see that some of the belts are mostly empty < 1662398929 725026 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662398935 327175 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should fix that if I get back to this save < 1662398962 62311 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure... there's always the phenomenon that the first factories in the lines are filled up (because otherwise the splitter won't distribute enough items to the right... but I guess that should also be true for the 6th out of the 8. < 1662398997 838442 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1662399007 540368 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :splitters are half-half, not priority < 1662399016 445347 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably still produces at full speed < 1662399041 869409 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do think that I understand splitters quite well at this point :) < 1662399058 680036 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :heh < 1662399097 330261 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm won't you have to cut this thing apart again down the road? < 1662399127 315874 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, after stacking. one quarter is support for a floating part. < 1662399161 240171 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, right. < 1662399235 814640 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, funny. This is doing basically the same thing as https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-flower-detail.png < 1662399259 512241 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :your's a bit more compact < 1662399334 907197 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :how do you know if it's more compact? you don't see the rest of the factory. it's big. < 1662399342 986137 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh well < 1662399360 149574 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, I mean this detail does the same operation < 1662399410 329130 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(if one of use rotates the input piece by 180 degrees, the outputs will be the same) < 1662399480 231418 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would be interesting to see what's inside your tunnels :/ < 1662399523 134182 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :because the way I understand it currently, these are what should be getting clogged up in your thing < 1662399554 492727 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(tunnels *don't* lose items when saving) < 1662399791 831496 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1662399908 648873 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BunnyBell14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=102943&oldid=102940 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+96) 10 < 1662400015 716951 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1662400035 699848 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf > 1662400136 163622 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bellbase14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=102944 5* 03PixelatedStarfish 5* (+20) 10Created page with "[[Bunnybell]] rename" < 1662400154 786526 :razetime!~quassel@117.254.35.62 QUIT :Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1662400291 28215 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Client Quit < 1662400311 749112 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662400571 961463 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"(tunnels *don't* lose items when saving)" => no surprise. in games like this, people sometimes use tunnels instead of long straight belts, so that less graphics has to be drawn < 1662400584 294747 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it would be very annoying if tunnels lost shapes < 1662400628 751606 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also sometimes people use tunnels for belt weaving on a long distance too < 1662400640 370650 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it doesn't happen too often in shapez.io because of the storage exploit < 1662400648 729117 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but can still happen < 1662400653 440730 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: they might still use a few at transition points... but I have not caught the game in doing that < 1662400659 630557 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I only have some short sections of belt weaving at a chokepoint < 1662400673 452196 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well sure, there will be some belts, so not all shapes are lost < 1662400681 244116 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have *not* tested this for the storage. < 1662400684 618928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. Maybe later. < 1662400685 660812 :b_jonas!~x@catv-176-63-4-17.catv.fixed.vodafone.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, you mean "lose a few at transition points" < 1662400697 870776 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops, yes I do < 1662401444 291545 :tech_exorcist_!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1662401476 845393 :tech_exorcist_!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him - IT, EN < 1662401695 498408 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1662403222 225908 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1662403271 595476 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1662403387 686221 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1662403437 791655 :sprout!~quassel@2a02-a467-ccd6-1-a005-d4e4-972d-da1c.fixed6.kpn.net JOIN #esolangs sprout :sprout < 1662403979 721180 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1662405715 893040 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1662405736 729961 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662405987 206160 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Client Quit < 1662406009 706481 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662407043 693476 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1662407215 708747 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1662407234 824940 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662407255 916754 :Trieste!~T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1662407345 959119 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1662407487 201327 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Client Quit < 1662407506 781018 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662408115 790706 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1662408136 700160 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662408203 777538 :tech_exorcist_!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1662408345 784569 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :he/him - IT, EN < 1662408386 945480 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Client Quit < 1662408409 937747 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662409933 987058 :FreeFull!~freefull@user-5-173-154-151.play-internet.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1662412142 366762 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1662412616 35433 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1662412637 801835 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662412887 230239 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Client Quit < 1662412908 832866 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf > 1662414185 605586 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dot's14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=102945&oldid=102887 5* 03Ilikecreepers 5* (+271) 10/* the complcated stuff */ > 1662414383 828217 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dot's14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=102946&oldid=102945 5* 03Ilikecreepers 5* (+129) 10/* the complcated stuff */ < 1662414700 186170 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1662415015 807660 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1662415036 801929 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662415287 510252 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Client Quit < 1662415302 64336 :tech_exorcist!~tech_exor@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: Disconnecting < 1662415309 915937 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662418615 856884 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1662418637 802089 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662418887 335727 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 QUIT :Client Quit < 1662418907 703749 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5fac:e001:d0c4:fb49:e9d6:7ff9 JOIN #esolangs impomatic :John Metcalf < 1662421756 305487 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1662421771 275562 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1662421805 606897 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1662422078 285524 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1662422110 823265 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1662422382 221602 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse