< 1663200990 928320 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Along those lines, there was also a much lower-production-values https://nandgame.com/
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> 1663216759 245341 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Counterfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103217&oldid=103194 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+1044) 10/* Examples */ Duplicate and add a prime encoded virtual register
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< 1663230331 407662 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I dreamed about chatting on the same IRC channels as in a previous dream months ago. The channels themselves are probably fictional, only exist in the dream in those forms.
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< 1663232232 395143 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Could a bot bridge a real IRC channel to a dream one?
< 1663232233 124090 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: i found orion cumbersome on a 2.2ghz athlon 64 with reduced cache size.) i also hope it's all right now.
< 1663232262 991236 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in your dreams it could
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< 1663232334 289446 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are there any interesting wacky esoteric memory models?
< 1663232337 631704 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: as in https://xkcd.com/269/ ? the problem is that my brain doesn't simulate the channel in enough detail, so you'd get very little information out
< 1663232447 924202 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: hmm. branching tapes (you can go left, right, and back). also the weird a-bit-of-everything-is-stored-everywhere model that's enabled by quantum computers :P
< 1663232467 782528 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I was wondering if we could have a buddy-block mallocator that works using Zeckendorf numbers rather than binary, so every memory block is sized a fibonacci number (with possibly a small amount reserved for the mallocator's metadata) and can be split to two smaller fibonacci sized blocks. I'm still not sure how easy or hard this would be
< 1663232468 277292 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :to implement. Does this count as a memory model?
< 1663232553 696383 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I think someone (maybe ais) considered a CPU with several stacks, where, since you only have one register pointing to each stack, you don't have aliasing problems, you know which memory accesses can alias with the others, the ones that use the same stack.
< 1663232593 379459 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the obvious drawback is that some operations are hard to implement efficiently, like hash tables, but you can work around most of that in practice
< 1663232661 37223 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could even try that with binary trees instead of stacks, the instructions just get more complex because now to decons you usually want to move both subtrees into a register, so two registers are necessarily involved
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< 1663232887 640520 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I was thinking about memory models in the multithreading sense, but I guess there are much broader interpretations.
> 1663232945 371227 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Salpynx/Minimal TC program machines14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=103219 5* 03Keymaker 5* (+817) 10Autopsy is TC...
< 1663232963 930794 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :add time travel, heavily violate data dependency order
< 1663233121 175419 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the actual models are wild enough already anyway.
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< 1663234646 689939 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Alpha counts as esoteric presumably.
< 1663234685 627374 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what Alpha?
< 1663234690 891762 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? alpha
< 1663234693 709699 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Alpha is the numeric measurement of opaqueness, a dog with unusually high voice in the Disney-Pixar Up film, and a NATO phonetic alphabet letteral.
< 1663234714 622282 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh heck, that must have been me
< 1663234717 135474 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Alpha risk, I mean RISC.
< 1663234853 80342 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But... isn't it just that its memory model was just ahead of the times? The default memory ordering (without fences and the like) is pretty weak these days.
< 1663234879 6172 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just just just.
< 1663234919 431195 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Alpha is weak and weird in a way no other architecture isn't, as far as I know.
< 1663234966 841927 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because data dependencies aren't sufficient to provide load-load ordering.
< 1663235078 787642 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :So you can have this situation: Thread A does "val = 123; barrier(); ptr = &val;"
< 1663235160 464859 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thread B does "addr = ptr; use(*addr);"
< 1663235190 77341 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :And thread B will see the new value of ptr, but the old value of var.
< 1663235242 128302 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: why is that surprising or weak? B would have to do some kind of locking too, especially since it only does reading, no writing
< 1663235361 425933 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :can't that happen on any modern architecture?
< 1663235663 570647 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC (my memory on this is quite hazy) the weirdness of Alpha was that they could do this even without caches... because they had a store queue and threads would snoop that before accessing memory.
< 1663235710 754472 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: without caches? without caches is trickier, hmm.
< 1663235727 34776 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, the store queue was effectively a cache
< 1663235738 996009 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a very weird one, but still.
< 1663235763 442805 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :now, all it takes is for some cache to propagate writes out of order
< 1663235797 377293 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, but isn't the barrier supposed to stop reordering those writes?
< 1663235954 615968 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said normally I assume that there may be caches
< 1663235966 816590 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a good reason we use those in all semi-modern and modern cpus
< 1663236079 613087 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well personally I'd assume that the second thread needs a barrier despite the data dependency; otherwise the core running thread B is allowed to use a stale value of *addr if it happens to have one handy.
< 1663236113 372949 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :exactly
< 1663236127 329322 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a barrier or some other form of synchronization
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< 1663237297 744570 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so, weird question. suppose I'm a publisher who arranges that an issue of a periodical comes with a randomized booster pack as a gift, with a few booster packs containing very rare and valuable stuff. the main prize is a one-of-a-kind live me. only I cheat, the booster packs aren't shuffled properly, I arrange that the national library gets the
< 1663237298 228740 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :copy that contains me. obviously I try to do the cheating stealthily and plausibly deniably, but supposing that I mess up and the cheating comes to light and is proven. is the library then still obligated to keep me immortal?
< 1663237406 958157 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently x86_64 is still boring in this regard, and Alpha is still the only one to reorder dependent loads. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_ordering#In_symmetric_multiprocessing_(SMP)_microprocessor_systems
< 1663238023 103775 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Is there any information on memory ordering on Amazon's Graviton thing? Possibly also on Apple's M1 and M2; they might offer stronger guarantees than ARM does in general, maybe?)
< 1663239271 214402 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what this Graviton that you're taking about is
< 1663239338 692793 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Amazon's own ARM-based processor for cloud servers.
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< 1663241544 927222 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Isn't that the VVVVVV thing? No, that's the Super Gravitron.
< 1663241627 55361 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is the VVVVVV thing the thing that makes you go up and down?
< 1663241644 996766 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I remember the mechanic, I don't remember names
< 1663241657 809489 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it's a platformer where instead of a jump you get to switch gravity between up and down\, but only when you're standing on something rather than in the air
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< 1663241680 335935 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh I've played the game.
< 1663241716 63290 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also there's some complicated story with a captain saving crew members of the clip, and a lot of rooms have a name that's displayed at the bottom of the screen, and low resolution graphics, and the palette of walls changing often between rooms, and moving platforms
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< 1663241918 52783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh well, let me google... oh, a minigame, hmm. I don't remember that actually.
< 1663241931 309105 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It has been years though.
< 1663241977 321158 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(My Google is a Duckduckgo-wrapped Bing. What's yours?)
< 1663242134 644776 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It had an enforced Super Gravitron bit at the "last boss", if I recall correctly, which I was just terrible at, but finally managed to muddle through.
< 1663242150 329645 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And you could get achievements for being good at it (but I didn't).
< 1663242170 859387 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :My Google is just regular Google, because it kind of feels like I'd be unfaithful if it wasn't.
< 1663242172 982278 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, so the "Super" part is real? I thought there was just a room called the Gravitron where you have to survive until the time runs down
< 1663242208 628248 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There was that, but then there was a separate minigame in the endgame.
< 1663242237 404949 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The minigame version doesn't have a specific time limit, you just have to survive as long as possible.
< 1663242276 776037 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The regular room probably didn't have "Super" in the name, that's true.
< 1663242285 612878 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see
< 1663242316 24532 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Apparently it's also a standalone free iOS game now.)
< 1663242341 471594 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/iOS/& and Android/
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< 1663253796 377935 :zut!~zut@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION slaps b_jonas around a bit with a large trout
< 1663253814 917342 :zut!~zut@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :`zalgo * zut slaps b_jonas around a bit with a large trout
< 1663253816 504980 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :*̶ͤ ̂̎z͗ͥu̝͐t͛͛ ̰ͧs̱̩l͉ͯȧ͖p̅̄s̼̉ ̦̾b̴̥_็̲j͂̊o̸͞n̟ͮạ̓sͩ̀ ͙͡aͯ͠ŕ̄o̬̒u͛͑n̨͢ḑͨ ̄ͤá̃ ̍͠b̃̈́ì͢t͔͗ ̄͝ẃ̳i̜ͣt̜̖h̯̬ ͑͜ă͡ ̹͐l̻̀a̺̭r͔͙gͫͭe̦̓ ̡̉t͇̉r̲̉o͊ͨu̟̯ẗ̨́
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< 1663255356 137046 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :unhand my alter ego at once, zut
< 1663255466 348592 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, "at once" is a bit strong when I only reacted half an hour later. unhand my alter ego by the deadline of three years hence, zut
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> 1663258343 911884 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Yet Another Musical Esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103233&oldid=103231 5* 03ALBANIAN-LAUNDROMAT 5* (+0) 10/* Notes and rhythms */
< 1663259186 806107 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: In other architectures the data dependency is enough.
< 1663259213 575367 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: with or without caches?
< 1663259242 556450 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :What do you mean?
< 1663259323 696621 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the thing that's going on with Alpha is that it has some sort of split cache thing, where dependencies in one might not help because the other can still not be up to date.
< 1663259356 463863 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: as in can your earlier example fail on other architectures because the old value of val was in a cache close to the core where and when B read var?
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< 1663260586 103633 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think so, because normally cache coherence will mean you see the new value, I think.
< 1663260717 638476 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since the writing thread has a dependency, so it flushes the entries from its store buffer in order or something.
< 1663261067 584016 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I understand that the writes will be in order, it's the reads in thread B that I don't see why they couldn't be reordered
< 1663261189 715983 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially if thread B speculative guesses the address of the second read and thus delays the data dependency to later when it verifies the speculative read from the address and the TLB
< 1663261258 310203 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or are you saying that B sees the writes in order and updates its cache in that order?
< 1663261299 595878 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or at least invalidates that line in its cache when it sees the first write
< 1663261330 363551 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm
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< 1663261473 385636 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know, I admit I don't really understand the low level details of multithread synchronization
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> 1663264160 165057 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:AceKiron14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103234&oldid=102533 5* 03AceKiron 5* (+27) 10
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> 1663266751 517368 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gtltem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103236&oldid=70802 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+1447) 10Reformatted the gtltemASCII table and changed the enumeration following the entry for n, as the code 79 seems to have been omitted indeliberatedly.
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> 1663266852 289354 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gtltem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103238&oldid=103237 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+172) 10Added categories to the page.
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> 1663266940 262016 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Gtltem14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103239&oldid=103238 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+415) 10Introduced an examples section, containing the Hello, World! program as its incipient member.
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> 1663267232 635738 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BitQueue14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=103241 5* 03DivergentClouds 5* (+1671) 10Created page with "'''BitQueue''' is a language created by DivergentClouds. == Overview == In BitQueue data is operated on in the form of a queue of individual bits. Any operation that looks at..."
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> 1663271286 910312 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Yet Another Musical Esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103243&oldid=103233 5* 03ALBANIAN-LAUNDROMAT 5* (+68) 10
> 1663271483 277455 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Nick-1666/vector.css14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103244&oldid=102994 5* 03Nick-1666 5* (-19026) 10Blanked the page
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< 1663271585 88996 :Nick17!~Nick@147.148.100.70 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can we please add any sort of darkmode to esolangs.org?
< 1663271591 845540 :Nick17!~Nick@147.148.100.70 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my eyes hurt :(
< 1663271614 52243 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( reduce the brightness of your monitor )
< 1663271651 64353 :Nick17!~Nick@147.148.100.70 PRIVMSG #esolangs :theres no reason for darkvector to not be a theme
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< 1663271810 955797 :Nick17!~Nick@147.148.100.70 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the link is https://github.com/dolfinus/DarkVector if anyone has time
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< 1663271891 447492 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah I don't know how Wikimedia handles themes. Apparently esolangs has four of them.
< 1663271895 38312 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION shrugs
< 1663271905 217597 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: this one might be for you...
> 1663271941 263929 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BitQueue14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103245&oldid=103242 5* 03DivergentClouds 5* (+1) 10fixed typo
< 1663272057 438833 :Nick94!~Nick@147.148.100.70 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's an install guide and yall have included some already, if you have and extra 221Kb on the server it would be really useful
< 1663272196 295636 :Nick94!~Nick@147.148.100.70 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or you could mayhaps let us edit pages with large amounts of css at once and just paste it in for preference pages although that would be more complex with plugins and such
< 1663272207 795214 :Nick94!~Nick@147.148.100.70 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like large pastes at once
< 1663272406 917771 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, there's just a couple of people with admin access in the wiki (I'm not one of them). Give it some time please.
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< 1663272823 723675 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been sticking to extensions published under https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/mediawiki/extensions/+/refs/heads/master (and .../skins/...) for some sense of "officialness".
< 1663273007 580259 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mostly in the hopes that they wouldn't become a problem when upgrading. They've got the same branches and things.
< 1663273116 892049 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DarkMode is one of those extensions, but from the looks of it, it's one of those fake dark modes, it just adds a CSS filter to invert everything and then add a few tweaks.
< 1663273148 283601 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"In future we hope to offer dark mode the Vector and Minerva skins through changes in the underlying code architecture for all skins that will support better maintainability."
< 1663273153 517382 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That'd be the sensible choice.
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< 1663274085 929654 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Admittedly it's also past time for a MediaWiki upgrade, so maybe what I'll do is, I'll try adding it but with the implied understanding that if it ever breaks during an upgrade, it just gets disabled.
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> 1663277819 827925 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Salpynx/Minimal TC program machines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103246&oldid=103219 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+2677) 10/* Autopsy is TC */ Yup, I agree, and see where I went wrong now, thx!
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> 1663278900 449120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Salpynx/Minimal TC program machines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103247&oldid=103215 5* 03Salpynx 5* (+535) 10/* Table of minimal TC program / counter machines */ Correct my Autopsy mistakes, and add jzdec(r, zTRUE, zFALSE) form
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