< 1665881772 281772 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1665881886 880752 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1665883350 855762 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1665883351 52261 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock QUIT :*.net *.split < 1665883351 97741 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1665883351 129317 :haavard!root@haavard.me QUIT :*.net *.split < 1665883351 278054 :laerling!~laerling@static.89.231.201.195.clients.your-server.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1665883351 384141 :genpaku!~gen@107.191.100.185 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1665883351 807160 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa QUIT :*.net *.split < 1665883352 208681 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan QUIT :*.net *.split < 1665883352 208758 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1665883352 208766 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1665883352 555800 :jix!~jix@user/jix QUIT :*.net *.split < 1665883366 800151 :myname!~myname@ks300980.kimsufi.com JOIN #esolangs * :myname < 1665883368 785942 :laerling!~laerling@static.89.231.201.195.clients.your-server.de JOIN #esolangs laerling :lærling < 1665883376 655903 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa JOIN #esolangs JAA :JustAnotherArchivist < 1665883397 313795 :genpaku!~gen@107.191.100.185 JOIN #esolangs genpaku :paku < 1665883434 658991 :jix!~jix@2a01:4f8:1c1c:17d1::1 JOIN #esolangs * :Jannis Harder < 1665883484 523755 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1665883494 631490 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@ec2-52-79-98-81.ap-northeast-2.compute.amazonaws.com JOIN #esolangs lifthrasiir :Kang Seonghoon < 1665883552 842543 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1665883559 255719 :haavard!root@haavard.me JOIN #esolangs haavard :Håvard Pettersson < 1665883614 779137 :dbohdan!~dbohdan@user/dbohdan JOIN #esolangs dbohdan :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1665883761 458988 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.6.229 JOIN #esolangs razetime :razetime < 1665883886 245333 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1665883959 476461 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1665883967 494148 :sprock!~sprock@user/sprock JOIN #esolangs sprock :maeve (she/her) < 1665892801 450698 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.6.229 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1665895195 982158 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.6.229 JOIN #esolangs razetime :razetime < 1665908194 992436 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.6.229 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1665909616 983912 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.6.229 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime < 1665909722 805047 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.6.229 QUIT :Client Quit < 1665909750 511163 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.6.229 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime > 1665914107 530746 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!Tautologos14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103977&oldid=69368 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+77) 10Make sane > 1665914118 543349 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!Tautologos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103978&oldid=103977 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-33) 10 > 1665914185 71148 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07!Tautologos14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103979&oldid=103978 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+2) 10/* Semantics */ > 1665914326 76518 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Colang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103980&oldid=103947 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+146) 10Improve control construct example < 1665915170 247067 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq JOIN #esolangs zut :utoneq < 1665915188 287837 :fowl1!~fowl@user/fowl JOIN #esolangs fowl :fowlmouth < 1665915224 310183 :fowl!~fowl@user/fowl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1665915224 447839 :fowl1!~fowl@user/fowl NICK :fowl < 1665915555 416856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1665915863 397876 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Colang14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103981&oldid=103980 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-2) 10/* Implementations */ < 1665915870 86048 :Franciman!~Franciman@mx1.fracta.dev PART #esolangs :WeeChat 3.0 < 1665922370 211666 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1665924412 350691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` for i in <(echo 1) <(echo 2); do cat $i; done < 1665924415 153919 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory \ 1 < 1665924547 117718 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe < 1665924633 530665 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh, what's up with that? Locally it works in an interactive shell command line, but not in `bash -c '...'`. < 1665924657 580064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` for i in <(echo 1) <(echo 2); do cat $i; done 2>&1 < 1665924658 872017 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ cat: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory < 1665924679 253161 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, that "fixes" the order. *that* makes some sense. < 1665924694 327790 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, you often get stderr first for HackEso commands. < 1665924704 840321 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I'm not sure how https://0x0.st/owiE.txt happens. < 1665924722 930414 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, so what is your shell? < 1665924726 611107 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Bash. < 1665924739 350514 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :odd. My interactive shell does the same thing as your bash -c < 1665924757 651508 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there some shopt in play maybe? < 1665924790 224662 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just checking: `readlink /proc/$$/exe` => /usr/bin/bash < 1665924796 432310 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe it's an option of some sort. < 1665924861 737732 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Diffing `shopt` vs. `bash -c shopt`, the differences are: expand_aliases, extglob and histappend are all on instead of off, and hostcomplete is off instead of on. < 1665924955 119674 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` bash -c 'shopt -s expand_aliases extglob histappend; shopt -u hostcomplete; for i in <(echo 1) <(echo 2); do cat $i; done' < 1665924956 282787 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 < 1665924962 95451 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess one of those does make a difference < 1665924985 992676 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Seems to be expand_aliases. < 1665925006 71739 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` echo 0; for i in <(echo 1) <(echo 2); do cat $i; done < 1665925007 390685 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0 \ 1 \ 2 < 1665925013 110325 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` true; for i in <(echo 1) <(echo 2); do cat $i; done < 1665925014 278524 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 < 1665925016 641295 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ODD! < 1665925016 729838 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, okay. < 1665925030 477290 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So it's just the act of there being a command (like my shopt) before it. < 1665925056 2111 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's just plain weird. < 1665925079 620639 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` true | for i in <(echo 1) <(echo 2); do cat $i; done < 1665925081 70253 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory \ 1 < 1665925105 51719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` true; ( for i in <(echo 1) <(echo 2); do cat $i; done ) < 1665925106 218769 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :1 \ 2 < 1665925108 427896 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't get it. < 1665925118 697298 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Uh. I opened a new shell in my screen, and in it it again fails to work. < 1665925126 764453 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, from the interactive command line. < 1665925132 565662 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even if I run some other commands before. < 1665925138 159378 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But in a different screen window, it works. < 1665925191 31900 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Of course in the non-working window, if I prefix `true;` on the same input line, it works. < 1665925195 501030 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is it the same host and the same (version of) the executable? < 1665925199 601063 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. < 1665925230 400081 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway... I can't even decide whether this is a bug. < 1665925234 567175 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, as much as $BASH_VERSION can tell. < 1665925253 110552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` sha1sum /proc/$$/exe < 1665925254 222740 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :0533efae0065e72c1d833b9f7a678a20995bd5a6 /proc/49/exe < 1665925277 871135 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...of course it could be a shared library difference, at which point things become tricky :P < 1665925312 848479 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"often get stderr first for HackEso commands." => that's because there's a stupid rnoooooooodl in between < 1665925323 886009 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but only in between stdout, not between stderr < 1665925428 56356 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's the same according to `sha1sum /proc/$$/exe` as well. How does that work if the binary changes, incidentally? And would it make a difference if the binary gets deleted and recreated (in which case I assume the `exe` symlink would go to that special "(deleted)" mode) vs. just rewritten in-place (which might keep it as-is)? < 1665925483 815894 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's just something in the shell's state, but the other shell's been alive since Oct 2, so I can't exactly tell what I might have done in it that would make it work. < 1665925505 487270 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Giving up and going for breakfast instead. < 1665925570 254429 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`run echo one|(echo two|(cat /dev/fd/$u /dev/fd/$v){v}<&0){u}<&0 < 1665925571 346516 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :one \ two < 1665925597 290277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, found a host with zsh; zsh seems to keep the fds open for the duration of the loop. < 1665925648 667300 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"rewritten in-place" => IIRC Linux usually doesn't allow you to do that with a binary that you are running. it's mmapping in a special super-locked way. you can unlink and replace with a different executable, or write the new executable to a build directory and then move it in which would be the normal way < 1665925702 334047 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is one of the very few things that Linux doesn't allow even root to do, even when they specifically ask to yes really do it < 1665925709 621520 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the other is writing into a file that's used as a kernel module < 1665925721 513294 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but don't trust any of this, I'm saying it only from memory < 1665925733 29943 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in any case it's a "don't do that" thing < 1665925750 68386 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :replacing the link with a new file is fine of course < 1665925758 521755 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> for i in <(true) <(true); do echo $i <(true); done < 1665925759 853186 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:7: error: parse error on input ‘in’ < 1665925763 90161 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :err < 1665925764 680135 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` for i in <(true) <(true); do echo $i <(true); done < 1665925765 913410 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/dev/fd/63 /dev/fd/61 \ /dev/fd/62 /dev/fd/63 < 1665925788 40468 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :note that /dev/fd/63 is getting reused after the first command completed... so weird. < 1665925806 521691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but not if you prefix the loop by an extra command. < 1665925835 37906 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: maybe it's like nondeterministic depending on when the processes finish? try to add a sleep < 1665925845 237083 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`run for i in <(true) <(true); do echo $i <(true); done < 1665925846 322279 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/dev/fd/63 /dev/fd/61 \ /dev/fd/62 /dev/fd/63 < 1665925855 546781 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`run for i in <(sleep 1; true) <(sleep 1; true); do echo $i <(sleep 1; true); done < 1665925857 730754 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/dev/fd/63 /dev/fd/61 \ /dev/fd/62 /dev/fd/63 < 1665925863 935675 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I know that happens with daemons I've started from systemd (I occasionally try to replace them with `cat ~/thing > /usr/loca/bin/thing` as a way of not having the permissions change) but I kind of thought it depended on how the executable was started. But maybe it's true for everything. < 1665925869 173084 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :except we know sleep behaves silly on HAckEso for some reason < 1665925907 880199 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: nah, adding `sleep 10` doesn't make a difference < 1665925964 741616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I'm testing locally, not on HackEso < 1665925975 222402 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: in that case thing is usually a shebang executable, not a true native executable, so you can replace it just fine < 1665925995 676607 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` zsh -c 'echo hi' < 1665925996 886716 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: zsh: command not found < 1665926095 861489 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you probably don't need to know this, but I would only do this for eso purposes; for normal stuff I'd give up trying to understand bash before this point and use something else to spawn the programs < 1665926235 950498 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: which is worse, watching milk boil or watching SAT solver progress? < 1665926236 359147 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: ( assigning) or ( define ( sum-of-squares-two-largest x y z...) < 1665926280 979275 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the latter > 1665926289 292940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Colang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103982&oldid=103981 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+12) 10Rename language to Tinytalk > 1665926309 43261 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Rdococ 5* 10moved [[02Colang10]] to [[Tinytalk]]: Renamed programming language > 1665926330 585633 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103985&oldid=103895 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+2) 10Rename Colang to Tinytalk > 1665926342 457909 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103986&oldid=103985 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10 > 1665926357 356137 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tinytalk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103987&oldid=103983 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10 > 1665926394 650458 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tinytalk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103988&oldid=103987 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+0) 10Adjust capitalization < 1665926892 513295 :Everything!~Everythin@37.115.210.35 JOIN #esolangs * :Everything < 1665926896 391179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: you're probably right. < 1665926966 870158 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm (still) playing around with the Ponder This! challenge, to see whether I can narrow the gap between upper and lower bounds that I have...) < 1665927005 334393 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And the problem is so messy that SAT solving is the best approach I have for upper bounds at least. > 1665927132 747377 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rdococ14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103989&oldid=103986 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+451) 10Add refurbished languages < 1665927630 589944 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :can you give a link? < 1665927632 916888 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? ponder this < 1665927634 694925 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ponder this? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1665927639 146515 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't usually look at it < 1665927976 870055 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/challenges/October2022.html < 1665928028 227018 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Funnily enough it originally asked for ab optimal solution... I guess nobody managed that. > 1665928335 367438 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tinytalk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103990&oldid=103988 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+2) 10 < 1665928641 22329 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks < 1665928646 983174 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? ponderthis < 1665928648 722332 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ponderthis? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1665928653 797136 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :do we have a link to ponderthis from the wisdome? < 1665928661 245146 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? aoc < 1665928662 912445 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :aoc Advent of Code (AoC) is a series of programming puzzles that some regulars enjoy, found at "https://adventofcode.com/about" < 1665928665 710620 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`grwp ponderthis < 1665928667 986041 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1665928909 111036 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess https://research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/index.shtml would be the canonical link < 1665929003 950523 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :100M conflicts and still going strong... such resilience < 1665930105 220731 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what would be the canonical wisdom name? ponderthis or ponder this ? I wish we just had synonyms in wisdom and didn't have such problems. < 1665930152 292244 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know. < 1665930154 830024 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@where ponder < 1665930154 874397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know nothing about ponder. < 1665930164 425638 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@where+ ponder https://research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/index.shtml < 1665930164 489237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :Done. < 1665930190 89740 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@where aoc < 1665930190 132900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know nothing about aoc. < 1665930193 909552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@where advent < 1665930193 951759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know nothing about advent. < 1665930197 310525 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting < 1665930221 72462 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: whichever one you pick we'll get it wrong 50% of the time anyway :P < 1665930258 973519 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(or more, "ponder" is a serious contender in my brain) < 1665930315 687547 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, we can also teach stuff like this to perlbot or even to fungоt, and perlbot at least doesn't have a taboo against synonyms, so then you'd have even more chance of being wrong by asking the wrong bot < 1665930399 417171 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus HackEso has tomfoolery and whatis too < 1665930645 580277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`whatis tomfoolery < 1665930647 11366 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :tomfoolery(1hackeso) - no description < 1665930930 464881 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, who is Tom? < 1665930930 913577 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: you might be interested." " hey, you're fnord the car cdr procedures access the components of pairs. < 1665931014 147111 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`run \? tom; \? tm; \? ™ < 1665931017 603650 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :tom? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ tm? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ \ ™? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1665933227 273388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :tomfoolery can often be found at http://radar.spacebar.org/ < 1665933595 336735 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :... < 1665933723 71045 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :look if you give me dots I'm going to connect them < 1665933750 865894 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :./\./\. < 1665936812 152691 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, what's your opinion on chauvinism? < 1665936812 228279 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :earend1: " load" < 1665936840 81144 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, load? < 1665936840 654729 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :earend1: i see. i thought all packages were installed automatically and which ones to fnord' redirect works only when i can't? damn... well... whatever... < 1665936896 124114 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, kennedy was murdered by mutants. < 1665936896 512361 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :earend1: course. :) ( even if you say that is the condition system. the second book, soo...... < 1665937046 788503 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :in times you're easier to conduct with, than the folks having taken over freenode. wahre kommunikation ist nur unter gleichen moeglich. < 1665937086 232935 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: pfeiff nicht wenn du pisst! < 1665937086 836895 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :earend1: christi i like you, so we can stop and you start with the assumption that you are not used because they're heavy. still continuations are not explicit? < 1665937088 130497 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`welcome < 1665937090 133992 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: . (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.) < 1665937110 909505 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :`relcome int-e < 1665937113 330301 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​04int-e: 07Welcome 08to 09the 02international 06hub 13for 04esoteric 07programming 08language 09design 02and 06deployment! 13For 04more 07information, 08check 09out 02our 06wiki: 13. 04(For 07the 08other 09kind 02of 06esoterica, 13try 04#esoteric 07on 08EFnet 09or 02DALnet.) < 1665939328 149422 :Everything!~Everythin@37.115.210.35 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1665941012 214643 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can you visit an Attraction that is a non-Astrotorium card copying a Astrotorium card (or an Astrotorium card copying another one), or if it somehow loses its subtypes? Lights are not mentioned as the object's characteristics, and it is unclear if it is supposed to count as part of its initial text. < 1665942718 750593 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1665943351 776918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1665943474 225459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1665943475 488091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1665943485 181275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1665945171 539525 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1665945307 566113 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: true | for i in <(echo 1) <(echo 2); do cat $i; // it fails because cat starts its own process? < 1665945326 477146 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1665945345 573377 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat <(true) <(true) < 1665945346 527285 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat: '<(true) <(true) ': No such file or directory < 1665945410 348903 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :`true | for i in <(echo 1) <(echo 2); do printf '[%s]' "$i"; done < 1665945411 349405 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1665945471 175866 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat < <(echo 1) < 1665945472 137789 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :cat: '< <(echo 1)': No such file or directory < 1665945515 646142 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :`type cat < 1665945516 599370 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :type? No such file or directory < 1665945524 596718 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :`which cat < 1665945525 566456 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/bin/cat < 1665945600 830965 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq PRIVMSG #esolangs :`bash --version < 1665945601 999027 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :GNU bash, version 5.0.3(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) \ Copyright (C) 2019 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later \ \ This is free software; you are free to change and redistribute it. \ There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. < 1665946238 685446 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.6.229 QUIT :Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. > 1665946640 513234 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tinytalk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103991&oldid=103990 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-25) 10 > 1665947098 691149 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Rdococ/Old14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103992&oldid=103894 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-343) 10 < 1665949473 178701 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Plain '`foo' doesn't run in a shell. < 1665949496 945500 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So you want '`run ...` or '`` ...` (which just invokes /hackenv/bin/`) to do anything that involves shell stuff. > 1665950394 142592 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tinytalk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103993&oldid=103991 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+505) 10/* Lists */ > 1665950417 662660 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tinytalk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103994&oldid=103993 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+2) 10/* Lists */ > 1665950459 376266 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tinytalk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103995&oldid=103994 5* 03Rdococ 5* (-132) 10/* Lists */ > 1665951154 760981 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tinytalk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=103996&oldid=103995 5* 03Rdococ 5* (+117) 10/* Lists */ Explain example better < 1665952509 636957 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1665957235 190108 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` for i in <(echo 1) <(echo 2); do read j < $i; echo $j; done < 1665957236 358974 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: /dev/fd/62: No such file or directory \ 1 \ 1 < 1665957354 140254 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Only two subprocesses (for `<(...)`) here, I think? I don't know. It's usually enough that it "just works". < 1665958907 360162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, this seems to come down to the shell deciding to close FDs 62 and 63 at different times: https://paste.tomsmeding.com/iKkI5h7a [Also why does Debian's paste hate this one?] < 1665959093 174510 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - https://znc.in < 1665959160 241683 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1665961408 839517 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-13-99.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :have anyone else here bought TAOCP vol 4B yet? just curious < 1665963743 34351 :earend1!uid568065@user/utoneq QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity