< 1667693607 860574 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok > 1667696100 421406 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07A pi e14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104487&oldid=104324 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+17) 10Stub, WIP > 1667696276 173737 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07APLWSI14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104488&oldid=71613 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+105) 10Add categories < 1667698103 460692 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? monoid < 1667698106 410750 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :A monoid is the easy version of a category. > 1667699100 372946 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CompressedBF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104489&oldid=104089 5* 03Joe 5* (+520) 10 > 1667699147 62649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CompressedBF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104490&oldid=104489 5* 03Joe 5* (+2) 10 > 1667699220 473933 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CompressedBF14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104491&oldid=104490 5* 03Joe 5* (+10) 10 < 1667700143 939332 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.7.39 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime < 1667700972 208792 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1667701004 967786 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1667701047 292147 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1667705549 973973 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.7.39 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1667706267 217081 :immibis_!~hexchat@i689751E6.versanet.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1667706290 217437 :immibis_!~hexchat@i689751E6.versanet.de JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1667706675 431472 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs esolangs :esolangs.org < 1667706675 526731 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :esolangs < 1667707135 613611 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-180-36.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1667707135 613827 :silky!gilesgate@sdfeu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1667707135 613840 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1667707144 429038 :silky!gilesgate@sdfeu.org JOIN #esolangs * :gilesgate < 1667707172 454243 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs * :HackEso < 1667707412 136580 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq QUIT :*.net *.split < 1667707412 188314 :Argorok!sid195487@id-195487.hampstead.irccloud.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1667707412 272761 :CAT_S!apic@brezn3.muc.ccc.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1667707412 285153 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1667707427 256401 :Argorok!sid195487@id-195487.hampstead.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs Argorok :Argorok < 1667707427 279557 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq JOIN #esolangs pikhq :Ada Worcester < 1667707430 712104 :CAT_S!apic@brezn3.muc.ccc.de JOIN #esolangs * :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1667707719 470378 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com JOIN #esolangs citrons :citrons < 1667708186 355743 :underpantsgnome[!~tinybronc@2001:470:69fc:105::2:1af6 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1667708186 502850 :Riviera!~Riviera@user/riviera QUIT :*.net *.split < 1667708195 257968 :Riviera!Riviera@user/riviera JOIN #esolangs Riviera ::) < 1667708575 818995 :underpantsgnome[!~tinybronc@2001:470:69fc:105::2:1af6 JOIN #esolangs * :@tinybronca:sibnsk.net < 1667709152 772797 :j4cbo!sid186930@id-186930.helmsley.irccloud.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1667709163 207560 :j4cbo!sid186930@id-186930.helmsley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs * :j4cbo < 1667709354 145240 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.7.39 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime < 1667709705 769655 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: Do you like duck chess? < 1667709753 78917 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have not played it, but I know how it is played. (I have not played chess much at all recently) < 1667709771 283658 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like that idea, though. < 1667709961 965115 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I'm disappointed about it. if it has a rubber duck, bishops should be able to move bouncing from it. they can't. ok, but then they should have used different flavor than a rubber duck. < 1667710215 678711 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am unlikely to use an actual rubber duck, since I do not have one of the correct size for the chess board that I have, but I can use something else instead, such as dice. (In a tournament, they probably should use the duck but then they would have a suitable duck for that purpose, I suppose, maybe) < 1667710294 144858 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.7.39 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1667710709 677391 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :try duck typing then. if you don't have a real duck, substitute any piece that moves every turn like a duck and quacks like a duck and can't capture like a duck < 1667710729 259383 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :er, moves every half-turn < 1667711294 443267 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.7.39 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime < 1667713325 701995 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1667713538 446694 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1667713615 61856 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1667713741 707434 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1667714094 475203 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667714094 475499 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667714132 128984 :esolangs!~esolangs@techne.zem.fi JOIN #esolangs esolangs :esolangs.org < 1667714132 187546 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services.libera.chat MODE #esolangs +v :esolangs < 1667714549 523901 :silky!gilesgate@sdfeu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667714558 143697 :silky!gilesgate@sdfeu.org JOIN #esolangs * :gilesgate < 1667714864 524327 :CAT_S!apic@brezn3.muc.ccc.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667715160 129689 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.4.35 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime < 1667715188 438589 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com JOIN #esolangs citrons :citrons < 1667715617 665143 :CAT_S!apic@brezn3.muc.ccc.de JOIN #esolangs CAT_S :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 < 1667717730 128901 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.4.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1667719241 91717 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.4.35 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime < 1667720952 590167 :slavfox_!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1667720998 534517 :slavfox_!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 NICK :slavfox < 1667722634 450287 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667722643 437350 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com JOIN #esolangs citrons :citrons > 1667723339 43614 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Asmlang14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104492 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (+585) 10Created page with "{{WIP}} {{Stub}} Asmlang is an Work-in-progress language. Here is the concept file: Instruction set F is an adress,pointing to an 8-bit value. W is an 8-bit accumulator. Stack have 2 levels :) 0<=b<8 Add,And,Or,Subtract,XOR W with F to D Rotate left/right thru carry > 1667723354 3624 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Asmlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104493&oldid=104492 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (+13) 10 > 1667723368 576105 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Asmlang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104494&oldid=104493 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (-15) 10 < 1667723946 552520 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1667725411 72006 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.4.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1667726301 869698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104495&oldid=103741 5* 03Pro465 5* (-232) 10/* Commands */ < 1667726601 84256 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.4.35 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime > 1667726694 395734 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Mario0Fan14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104496&oldid=104471 5* 03Mario0Fan 5* (+36) 10/* Things i made related to esolangs: */ > 1667726729 708360 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104497&oldid=104495 5* 03Pro465 5* (+51) 10/* Turing Completeness */ > 1667726800 721961 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104498&oldid=104497 5* 03Pro465 5* (+3) 10/* Cat */ > 1667726923 799556 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ThueLike14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104499&oldid=104485 5* 03Mario0Fan 5* (+163) 10() command > 1667726954 830180 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ThueLike14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104500&oldid=104499 5* 03Mario0Fan 5* (+10) 10/* Other */ > 1667727082 251701 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ThueLike14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104501&oldid=104500 5* 03Mario0Fan 5* (+1) 10Moved "Equal to" to Logic gates > 1667727182 527585 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ThueLike14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104502&oldid=104501 5* 03Mario0Fan 5* (+3) 10 > 1667727258 318756 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ThueLike14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104503&oldid=104502 5* 03Mario0Fan 5* (-2) 10fixed logic gates > 1667727329 913662 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ThueLike14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104504&oldid=104503 5* 03Mario0Fan 5* (+27) 10Added an example for XNOR > 1667727739 183447 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ThueLike14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104505&oldid=104504 5* 03Mario0Fan 5* (+200) 10Even more randomized truth machine > 1667730085 81003 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104506&oldid=104498 5* 03Pro465 5* (-290) 10/* IO endianness */ < 1667730089 449811 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667730098 437221 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com JOIN #esolangs citrons :citrons > 1667735991 752636 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104507&oldid=104506 5* 03Pro465 5* (-140) 10/* Hello world */ > 1667736065 732767 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104508&oldid=104507 5* 03Pro465 5* (-9) 10/* Truth Machine */ > 1667736313 263933 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104509&oldid=104508 5* 03Pro465 5* (+520) 10/* Notes */ < 1667736522 404338 :genpaku!~gen@107.191.100.185 JOIN #esolangs genpaku :paku > 1667736613 646900 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104510&oldid=104509 5* 03Pro465 5* (+41) 10/* Commands */ < 1667737544 450780 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667737553 437534 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com JOIN #esolangs citrons :citrons < 1667737690 125249 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown > 1667741136 212170 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104511&oldid=104510 5* 03Pro465 5* (-41) 10/* Commands */ > 1667742193 880698 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ThueLike14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104512&oldid=104505 5* 03Mario0Fan 5* (+10) 10 > 1667742209 502480 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ThueLike14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104513&oldid=104512 5* 03Mario0Fan 5* (+1) 10/* Functions */ < 1667742967 156991 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.4.35 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1667743177 477432 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`q law student < 1667743178 743304 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :97) [...] i'm a law student so i am loving my bread machine < 1667743550 204252 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.3.152 JOIN #esolangs razetime :razetime < 1667743949 454470 :genpaku!~gen@107.191.100.185 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667744062 714826 :genpaku!~gen@107.191.100.185 JOIN #esolangs genpaku :paku < 1667744429 657593 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1667744761 783624 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:d115:ecfe:1ef4:7596 JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie < 1667744999 450058 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667745008 442405 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com JOIN #esolangs citrons :citrons < 1667745052 121169 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1667745946 362329 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1667747818 157975 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.3.152 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds > 1667747986 293294 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Array++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104514&oldid=104401 5* 03Z Z 5* (+5) 10/* define */ > 1667747996 747070 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Array++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104515&oldid=104514 5* 03Z Z 5* (-1) 10/* define */ > 1667748060 364073 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Array++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104516&oldid=104515 5* 03Z Z 5* (+0) 10/* Array++ (same, but no comments) */ > 1667748074 836036 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Array++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104517&oldid=104516 5* 03Z Z 5* (+0) 10/* Array++ */ > 1667748342 24527 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Array++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104518&oldid=104517 5* 03Z Z 5* (+42) 10/* Reserved symbols */ < 1667748347 96005 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.4.35 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime > 1667749406 509881 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MineStax14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104519&oldid=104451 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+19) 10/* Classification */ Category > 1667749500 13099 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NucleotideBF (nBF)14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104520&oldid=74538 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+11) 10/* Python Implementation */ Fix formatting > 1667749977 457396 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104521&oldid=104511 5* 03Pro465 5* (+22) 10/* The [if_num|else_num] command */ > 1667750467 539379 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Array++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104522&oldid=104518 5* 03Z Z 5* (+611) 10/* Reserved symbols */ < 1667751624 168416 :tech_exorcist!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :realname < 1667751852 356018 :tech_exorcist!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Client Quit < 1667751859 439760 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667751871 158879 :tech_exorcist!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :realname < 1667751874 158662 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1667752156 721216 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Array++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104523&oldid=104522 5* 03Z Z 5* (+13) 10/* Array++ */ > 1667752234 459858 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Array++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104524&oldid=104523 5* 03Z Z 5* (+15) 10/* Array++ (same, but no comments) */ > 1667752261 281301 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Array++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104525&oldid=104524 5* 03Z Z 5* (+2) 10/* Array++ */ > 1667752270 947659 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Array++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104526&oldid=104525 5* 03Z Z 5* (+1) 10/* Array++ (same, but no comments) */ < 1667752454 501569 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667752463 440170 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com JOIN #esolangs citrons :citrons > 1667752523 25370 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Array++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104527&oldid=104526 5* 03Z Z 5* (+90) 10 > 1667752677 976096 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Array++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104528&oldid=104527 5* 03Z Z 5* (+27) 10/* Reserved symbols */ > 1667752789 399881 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Array++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104529&oldid=104528 5* 03Z Z 5* (+16) 10/* Examples */ < 1667753065 471454 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1667753105 590303 :fowl!~fowl@user/fowl QUIT :Quit: cya < 1667755257 450315 :fowl!~fowl@user/fowl JOIN #esolangs fowl :fowlmouth < 1667755496 437778 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1667756266 963177 :razetime!~quassel@117.193.4.35 QUIT :Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere. < 1667756938 346753 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1667758949 460282 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz… < 1667765002 470030 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1667767364 438673 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667767373 68060 :citrons!~citrons@alt.mondecitronne.com JOIN #esolangs citrons :citrons < 1667767693 900215 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1667768070 671653 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1667768235 198071 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1667768308 825688 :tech_exorcist!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Quit: Disconnecting < 1667769534 446168 :Trieste!~T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667769592 336681 :Trieste!~T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1667769767 618351 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1667770276 216109 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1667771890 8340 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I typed "cd prg" and I got the message: "bash: cd: write error: Success" The command worked despite the error message, and I cannot reproduce it. < 1667772011 883108 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: is prg a symlink, or did bash track symbolic links in your pwd, or do you have any I/O errors for a file system in your kernel log, or are NFS involved? < 1667772083 487613 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1667772500 888725 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :LOL '$BASH_VERSION prints "bash: 4.2.37(1)-release: command not found".' https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/116381/why-did-bash-print-bash-cd-write-error-success < 1667772567 3331 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Fun one, I've never seen an error like that.) < 1667772647 834442 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are claims on the Internet that if you use Reed-Solomon in GF(2^k), you can only have 2^k - 1 point, rather than 2^k points. < 1667772651 542435 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1667772665 164250 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I'm not sure why you can't have 2^k points? Am I missing something? < 1667772673 385067 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It is not a symlink, there are no I/O errors for that file system in the kernel log, and NFS is not involved. < 1667772860 268186 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looking at the bash source, it looks like this is a write error (ferror) to stdout. < 1667772886 881727 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you have something special going on? < 1667772900 464418 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also do you have POSIXLY_CORRECT enabled? < 1667773307 601518 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, this is cute: cd / --> bash: PWD: readonly variable < 1667773327 534332 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` readonly PWD=/; cd / < 1667773329 729543 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :​/hackenv/bin/`: line 5: PWD: readonly variable < 1667773489 803997 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, which bash version is that, and does it have custom patches, and also, are there any interesting PROMPT_COMMAND shenanigans etc. pp. < 1667774169 886957 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also is CDPATH set? < 1667774193 285552 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't even know about this. < 1667774226 956368 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I think that RS thing is a [citation needed], despite the fact that using 0... which just gives the constant coefficient... intuitively is a bit strange < 1667774299 312182 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just tried it out with GF(4) for a 2+2 code. < 1667774311 432748 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It seems to work fine. < 1667774364 387479 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can make an encoding matrix like [[1 0][0 1][1 1][1 s+1]] and every choice of two rows from that matrix is invertible. < 1667774389 3250 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, it's "just" linear algebra at work < 1667774438 30974 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandermonde_matrix has non-zero determinant if the x_i are all distinct; there's no need for them to be non-zero < 1667774628 115828 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, there's no way having zeros in the matrix can work, is there? < 1667774646 345783 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :A 0 wouldn't let you reconstruct the data if you lose one data shard and all but one parity shards. < 1667774784 111250 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :? < 1667774801 511558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think we have slightly different formulations of RS codes in mind < 1667774816 634318 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Probably! < 1667774861 623379 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the pure formulation, all matrix rows have the form [1,a,a^2,...,a^(n-1)]; there's no identity matrix portion. < 1667774879 34499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in that formulation you can take a = 0. < 1667774899 112398 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see, you're thinking of a non-systematic code? < 1667774905 555088 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yep. < 1667774908 712960 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Got it. < 1667774929 688142 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually, I'm still confused. < 1667774938 144397 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, never mind, not confused. < 1667774947 877076 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is just the same as the first row of the identity matrix, of course. < 1667775004 690269 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not quite sure how the systematic formulation works... I guess you just start with the systematic one and do Gaussian elimination on top? And that'll ensure that the non-identity matrix rows mix all the data. < 1667775016 371135 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Systematic codes seem pretty good, though. Is there ever a reason not to use them? < 1667775034 252916 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The error correction may be harder? < 1667775061 467063 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"harder"... it'll just be a linear transformation away no matter what you do. < 1667775132 710460 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, it's probably mostly that I'm used to applications where errors/erasures are rare, and you want encoding to be fast and decoding in the no-error case to be fast. < 1667775166 625777 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess as errors get more common you start to care about decoding more, and then maybe that's more important. < 1667775227 748300 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is this again about that thing we were talking about some days or weeks or months ago? I think it's still in the channel logs < 1667775232 738637 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reed-Solomon_error_correction#Systematic_encoding_procedure:_The_message_as_an_initial_sequence_of_values ...yeah right, you can describe it as doing (Lagrange) interpolation followed by evaluation. < 1667775250 441898 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :A natural way to get a systematic code is to fit a polynomial to n point and then generate p more points. < 1667775255 602545 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right. < 1667775299 502876 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the (A's left square submatrix)^-1 A variant would apply to any linear code (provided that matrix is invertible) < 1667775311 981128 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2022-10.html#lrt < 1667775379 379025 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: anyway, now it becomes a question of which points you used for interpolation... you don't have to re-evaluate the polynomial for those, and 0 is likely to be one of them because it makes the process a tiny bit cheaper. < 1667775426 993627 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: looks similar, but the RS angle is new < 1667775434 873557 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think. < 1667776179 693907 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what's an "RS"? < 1667776197 623722 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Reed-Solomon, I assume. < 1667776199 750064 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1667776206 271566 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, that would make sense < 1667776223 601881 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, also, is there a simple way to do error correction (rather than erasures) with Reed-Solomon? < 1667776239 476892 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :For n+2 encoding, correcting one error is easy. < 1667776248 871445 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it seems like it's much more complicated for correcting multiple errors. < 1667776540 680129 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm thinking of systematic codes here again.) < 1667776582 273216 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it looks like the first thing they do is to undo the interpolation step? < 1667776618 654915 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(looking at the end of that wikipedia page, i.e. the Berlekamp-Welch and Gao stuff) < 1667776954 456146 :Trieste!~T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1667777107 561146 :Trieste!~T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1667777177 994949 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, hmm, this Berlekamp-Welch thing looks simpler than Berlekamp-Massey. < 1667777470 42100 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:d115:ecfe:1ef4:7596 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1667778379 893895 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's funny that for matrices over GF(2^k), the determinant is equal to the permanent. < 1667778857 334060 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what's really funny is how useless that fact is for computing the permanent < 1667778900 747599 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :You mean in other fields? < 1667778920 223310 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in Z, really < 1667778924 755624 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right. < 1667778941 875193 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The best field.) < 1667778952 748528 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I tend to think that computing the permanent is really hard, which I guess is why it's funny that it's easy in this case. < 1667778956 261955 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Q is the corresponding field. So we can pick that.