< 1668384235 589252 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1668388507 653249 :catsanddo!~catsanddo@user/catsanddo JOIN #esolangs catsanddo :Unknown < 1668389482 643161 :Soni!~quassel@autistic.space JOIN #esolangs SoniEx2 :Genders: Autgender, 💜⬜💚; Soni L. < 1668391525 921039 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Here's a sort of surprising thing: I generated GF(256) N+P codes using three methods -- Vandermonde, Cauchy, and Lagrange -- and normalized them to be systematic and to have each row and column of the non-systematic part start with 1s. < 1668391532 482060 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :And they all generate the exact same codes! How come? < 1668392096 638431 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe there was only one code wearing different costumes? < 1668392288 106995 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's the Cauchy way? < 1668392332 304931 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Vandermonde and Lagrange way are the same if you map the field elements to the same columns. < 1668392377 344532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :since the "normalization" step transforms the Vandermonde matrix such that the first n points are interpolated by a polynomial instead. < 1668392392 159287 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is what Lagrange does as well. < 1668392417 350711 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you permute the field elements, things should be more interesting < 1668392455 704424 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let f n = product [2^n - 2^k | k <- [0..n-1]] in map f [1..4] < 1668392457 173385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [1,6,168,20160] < 1668392488 354071 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> let f n = product [2^n - 2^k | k <- [0..n-1]] in map f [5..] < 1668392489 749776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : [9999360,20158709760,163849992929280,5348063769211699200,6996123100331976425... < 1668392584 421044 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: If you make a Vandermonde matrix out of the 127 non-zero elements of GF(2^7), is there a square minor with zero determinant? < 1668392652 674282 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the 2x2 minors are fine) < 1668392739 515371 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is Prismata dead? < 1668392808 525558 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :who? < 1668392843 845313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Digital card game shachaf has repeatedly tried to get a match with me against, after I lost repeatedly. < 1668392888 391300 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah I found it. Letting a web site certificate expire isn't a good time... espcially when that happened 15 months ago. < 1668392959 441021 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Sorry, I have a habit of expressing my ignorance while simultaneously engaging a search engine.) < 1668392990 106087 :catsanddo!~catsanddo@user/catsanddo QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1668393000 14417 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Which is probably annoying, but I can't promise that that's enough to shake it.) < 1668393717 675038 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://steamcommunity.com/app/490220?snr=1_2108_9__2107#scrollTop=3840 indicates that this is /may/ be a bit of a Corona victim; they were preparing for GDC 2020 and that got cancelled. And they don't have much of an income stream. < 1668393801 674254 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesn't look great :P > 1668395170 219335 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07THROBOL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104686&oldid=104366 5* 03BoundedBeans 5* (+429) 10Added Additional command guidelines section < 1668397002 29987 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: The Cauchy way just makes m[row][col] = 1/(row^col) < 1668397013 819212 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :(For col in [0,N), row in [N, N+P).) < 1668397074 291007 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I think the answer is no even with all 128 elements. < 1668397139 184921 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: with 128 elements you get minors of the form [0,alpha^1;0,alpha^2] < 1668397175 384640 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :actually why didn't I take alpha=1... [0,1;0,1] < 1668397188 14511 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, hmm. < 1668397207 717539 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's a good point. But I think this matrix does give you a valid code. < 1668397295 181658 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah but that wasn't where the question is going. Is it still a valid code if you prepend the identity matrix? < 1668397720 5673 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: what happens for row in [0,N)? is it the identity matrix there? < 1668398044 711706 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, sorry. < 1668398095 794542 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, adding an identity matrix to a Vandermonde matrix can certainly produce an invalid code. < 1668398138 853769 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, it definitely wouldn't work for GF(16) or GF(256) < 1668398153 934021 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But 127 is prime, so it's less obvious. < 1668398160 364592 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I see. < 1668398214 95202 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I /expect/ it to still not work. But it'll require a 3x3 minor or larger. < 1668398235 591552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, I don't understand why the Cauchy thing gives you the same code. < 1668398260 374628 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nor why there's an inverse in there. < 1668398400 407357 :Taneb0!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped. < 1668398469 782542 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN #esolangs Taneb :Nathan van Doorn < 1668398779 148893 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.corsix.org/content/reed-solomon-for-software-raid discusses these constructions a bit. < 1668398831 577907 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :does it prove that the Cauchy thing works? < 1668399016 163581 :Hoolootwo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb2+b1 - https://znc.in < 1668399098 812394 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1668399112 353185 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It links to https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Vandermonde_Matrix_Identity_for_Cauchy_Matrix < 1668399124 743401 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh I'm just stupid here actually. < 1668399230 407964 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :We start with the Vandermonde matrix 1/(row^col), and then we use *column* operations to make an identity matrix out of the leftmost n columns. < 1668399258 970892 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. < 1668399314 329759 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, which operations are you allowed to do here? < 1668399315 354051 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Actually, no, column operations can destroy a code. < 1668399324 725681 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right. < 1668399336 763671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Row operations can't. < 1668399341 639357 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also you have your rows and columns backwards from the way I've been writing things so it's all very confusing. < 1668399349 74846 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I have N+P rows and N columns.) < 1668399377 274686 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh right. Well, the confusion is mutual. < 1668399398 104092 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :... < 1668399402 494142 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The ^ is xor? < 1668399420 458233 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay this is completely different from what I thought. < 1668399421 404660 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. Sorry, maybe that was unclear. < 1668399437 91024 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure what ^ would be in a field here. I guess col could be seen as an integer. < 1668399470 745433 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apologies for the confusion. < 1668399477 134582 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy_matrix < 1668399491 213639 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: well you *also* identified natural numbers and field elements < 1668399523 456314 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, I realized that. < 1668399541 746542 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I thought ^ would clear it up but it made it worse. < 1668399613 915355 :genpaku!~gen@107.191.100.185 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1668399658 233937 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I guess that page shows that you get the Cauchy matrix from V_y with *row* operations and the one valid column operation, which is multiplying a column by a constant. < 1668399684 515413 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and again, for you that will be *column* and row. < 1668399710 104470 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I prefer my matrices to be wider than high. < 1668399717 673861 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :The one valid column operation here is scaling by a constant? < 1668399729 237207 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oops. < 1668399733 373383 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: well, in the sense that it can't destroy the code < 1668399738 667059 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :You literally said that right after the comma. < 1668399745 184173 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :since it doesn't mix any code data. < 1668399779 888264 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you can reverse it even after erasure happened. < 1668399847 50279 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right. I just typed that before reading the rest of your sentence. < 1668399883 618729 :genpaku!~gen@107.191.100.185 JOIN #esolangs genpaku :paku < 1668399974 394131 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, and we can also compute -PV_x^{-1}V_x = -P and multiply by P^-1 from the right to get the identity matrix part. < 1668400048 505118 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So we do have a transformation of V_x | V_y. And finally, V_y doesn't have to be square. < 1668400077 236431 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :The program I'm experimenting with these things with is at /tmp/rs.c if that's helpful. < 1668400117 344645 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` ls /tmp/rs.c < 1668400119 683738 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :ls: cannot access '/tmp/rs.c': No such file or directory < 1668400122 290480 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs ::P < 1668400135 937960 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :On my website, which I'm not quoting as a full URL because I don't want Google to start crawling it. < 1668400288 824847 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So... there's still a puzzle here though. Why does multiplying a shachaf-row by a constant nmot change the code? Or is that something that gets normalized away... ah. It does. < 1668400323 316922 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or it is, rather. < 1668400349 844383 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since that's how you make your rows start with 1. < 1668400896 158004 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Multiplying a shachaf-row by a constant is fine because you can just divide by the same constant when you get the code, right? < 1668400915 364022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes but the code words are different < 1668400999 860857 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean when you get a code word. But maybe I misunderstood. < 1668401067 699058 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You get /a/ working code but it's a different one unless you multiply and divide by 1. < 1668401102 473698 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :While shachaf-column operations don't affect the set of code words at all. < 1668401218 434898 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But you did lay out your normalization procedure earlier and it does scale shachaf-rows. So yeah, after doing that, the Cauchy construction will end up the same as the other two. < 1668401300 442016 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :You mentioned a card game, but can we make up our own card game, involving some of the things involved in esolangs too? < 1668401316 126279 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still not sure why the Vandermonde and Lagrange constructions end up giving the same thing. < 1668401527 4730 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :They're the same? < 1668401592 843704 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :What do you mean? < 1668401617 494545 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The inverse of the top square of the Vandermonde matrix does polynomial interpolation. < 1668401625 924948 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lagrange does polynomial interpolation. < 1668401643 860248 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why does the inverse do polynomial interpolation? < 1668401645 993515 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's quite literally the same thing as taking the Vandermonde matrix and turning it into a systematic code. < 1668401683 464780 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because polynomial interpolation for fixed coordinates x_1...x_n is the inverse of polynomial evaluation at those points. < 1668401703 574871 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And Vandermonde matrices do polynomial evaluation. < 1668401705 575146 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, oh, I see. < 1668401734 792990 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, now that you put it that way it makes sense! > 1668401743 728997 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Text Binary14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=104687 5* 03Star651 5* (+1739) 10Created page with "Text binary is a programming language first created by [[User:Star651]] in early 2006 but never written about until November 13, 2022. The concept of text binary is very simple; Text Binary is simply a binary file that has been converted into the textual representat < 1668402109 515029 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay. I think I kind of get the Cauchy matrix thing... let's see whether I get the proofwiki proof as well now. < 1668402426 985141 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah... it works out. I /think/ doing it just for a single column of C makes it a tiny bit easier, though then you need notation for the non-square Vandermonde matrix that replaces V_y. < 1668403090 117123 :decay!sid553797@user/imode NICK :decline < 1668403094 644203 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. I'm getting the feeling that working over Galois fields is optimal for this kind of thing (i.e. I'm not seeing any benefit from using arbitrary kxk matrices rather than working in GF(2^k). But I can only try very small k, up to about 4. < 1668403101 678434 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :) < 1668403106 968350 :decline!sid553797@user/imode NICK :decay < 1668403231 22829 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :deterioration < 1668403298 837151 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1668403693 814666 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1668403755 847182 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1668403793 842068 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1668404082 746959 :razetime!~quassel@117.254.35.246 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime < 1668404627 795626 :bgs!~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net JOIN #esolangs bgs :bgs < 1668406028 198757 :bgs!~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1668406168 400002 :sprout!~quassel@dhcp-077-249-168-103.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1668406190 270317 :sprout!~quassel@dhcp-077-249-168-103.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :sprout < 1668408332 643356 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1668409035 636163 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1668410437 438928 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1668410585 336324 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: https://web.eecs.utk.edu/~jplank/plank/papers/CS-05-569.pdf may be relevant. < 1668410641 829628 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1668411303 726869 :razetime!~quassel@117.254.35.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1668411323 734002 :razetime!~quassel@117.254.35.246 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime < 1668413042 711815 :razetime!~quassel@117.254.35.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1668414088 803335 :razetime!~quassel@117.254.35.246 JOIN #esolangs * :razetime < 1668415038 323314 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1668416504 911914 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1668418246 68857 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu TOPIC #esolangs :Welcome to the international hub of esoteric programming language creation, condemnation, and coding theory! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://logs.esolangs.org/ < 1668418504 502172 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just realized something. freenode/#esoteric was called an international hub way before github was cool. The first mention seems to be by GregorR: https://logs.esolangs.org/freenode-esoteric/2005-10.html#lfU < 1668418632 441147 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :we should have trademarked "hub", we'd be rich by now < 1668418661 796667 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that, or we'd have changed history and github would have chosen a different name < 1668418764 642716 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-12-161.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :we should have trademarked hub in some small European country where they don't look before choosing the name < 1668422941 127019 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1668423386 648769 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1668424167 826956 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1668424204 642183 :j-bot!~jbot@irc.supplies JOIN #esolangs * :jevalbot < 1668424231 125645 :Guest878!~Guest87@2606:54c0:76c0:c7c8::22f:43 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest87 < 1668424267 136670 :Guest878!~Guest87@2606:54c0:76c0:c7c8::22f:43 QUIT :Client Quit < 1668424307 308977 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1668424328 126059 :Guest59!~Guest59@2606:54c0:76c0:c7c8::22f:43 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest59 < 1668424338 527723 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1668424474 630004 :Guest59!~Guest59@2606:54c0:76c0:c7c8::22f:43 QUIT :Client Quit < 1668424827 455843 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1668425265 126677 :Guest59!~Guest59@2a02:26f7:d15e:4000:9c32:2e7c:660e:dacc JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest59 < 1668425273 824594 :Guest59!~Guest59@2a02:26f7:d15e:4000:9c32:2e7c:660e:dacc PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi < 1668425384 225846 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if we could do something alliterating like "esoteric coding center and error-correcting code" < 1668425405 126275 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Laclale < 1668425440 600033 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Admin? Hello? < 1668425481 855886 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Unable to log-in from other device < 1668425582 646305 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Laclale: what error do you get, and also read https://libera.chat/guides/sasl#sasl-access-only-ip-ranges or other https://libera.chat/guides/faq < 1668425628 36609 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Forgot password for esolangs wiki < 1668425683 290177 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Laclale: well then just register a new account with a new password, unless you had privilages on the old account < 1668425710 881984 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 PRIVMSG #esolangs :> You must log in again to verify that you are Laclale. < 1668425711 380644 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have privilages < 1668425712 877880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:14: error: parse error on input ‘in’ < 1668425723 891447 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though you may try https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:PasswordReset first < 1668425745 255555 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tried to add e-mail but not working < 1668425754 859168 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :for what user account? also make sure your http client accepts cookies < 1668425786 763363 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for Laclale in esolangs wiki < 1668425839 42139 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then no you don't, so if the password reset doesn't work then create a new account < 1668425860 818421 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can you rename current account < 1668426089 94958 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie help < 1668426305 993535 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There were some problems in the past with wiki emails, but hopefully not at the moment. So if you still have access to the original account, setting & confirming an email address on https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Preferences and then going through https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:PasswordReset *should* work, in theory. < 1668426360 730732 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Needs to login again < 1668426408 389921 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can you add email remotely or change name? < 1668426582 515541 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, mediawiki allows you to change your email and then request a password change without knowing your password? < 1668426616 872337 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe it doesn't, based on the answer above. < 1668426652 119420 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can you edit pages with your account? If you email me some kind of a token (just some random string) and then after that update your user page to contain that same token, I can probably figure out a way to send you a password reset email. < 1668426685 4314 :Guest59!~Guest59@2a02:26f7:d15e:4000:9c32:2e7c:660e:dacc QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1668426771 615824 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Laclale14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104688&oldid=92820 5* 03Laclale 5* (+17) 10 < 1668426834 642640 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In retrospect I guess you could've just used https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Fizzie to tell me where you want your new password to be sent, because it puts the logged-in user's name in the message. > 1668426863 763694 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Laclale14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104689&oldid=104688 5* 03Laclale 5* (+22) 10 < 1668426902 622610 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 PRIVMSG #esolangs :No send address. < 1668427012 125970 :Guest59!~Guest59@2a02:26f7:d15c:4000:781d:5358:ef7d:9a0a JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest59 < 1668427030 504289 :Guest59!~Guest59@2a02:26f7:d15c:4000:781d:5358:ef7d:9a0a PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yo < 1668427228 454314 :Guest59!~Guest59@2a02:26f7:d15c:4000:781d:5358:ef7d:9a0a QUIT :Client Quit < 1668427245 128157 :Guest59!~Guest59@2a02:26f7:d15c:4000:781d:5358:ef7d:9a0a JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest59 < 1668427413 965655 :Guest59!~Guest59@2a02:26f7:d15c:4000:781d:5358:ef7d:9a0a QUIT :Client Quit < 1668427459 987351 :Laclale!~Laclale@240b:10:8700:f00:6904:5e:dd2e:b09 QUIT :Quit: Laclale < 1668427877 867821 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lacale: if you still have a login cookie then just download your watchlist https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:EditWatchlist/raw which is probably the only non-public information you have on the current account, then create a new account and load the old watchlist (plus watch your new user page) and then just use the new account instead of the old < 1668427878 380585 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one < 1668428544 948245 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I made an executive decision to manually reset their password given proof of being currently logged in (by editing as the account). < 1668428552 844700 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's technically possible that was a case of cookie theft + social engineering to be able to lock the original user out of their account, I just feel like doing that for an esolangs.org wiki account sounds not terribly likely. < 1668428712 137469 :sprout!~quassel@dhcp-077-249-168-103.chello.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :yessss < 1668429127 739371 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesn't need cookie theft, only social engineering to make them edit a token into their user page without context to prove something else than what you think it proves < 1668429145 15180 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean to make the original owner of the wiki user to do that < 1668429450 369196 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is, an active MITM both ways social engineering attack < 1668430083 291265 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1668431341 477654 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104690&oldid=104656 5* 03Pro465 5* (+63) 10/* See also */ > 1668431505 553259 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104691&oldid=104690 5* 03Pro465 5* (+75) 10/* Turing Completeness */ > 1668431533 384220 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104692&oldid=104691 5* 03Pro465 5* (-63) 10/* See also */ > 1668433074 7569 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07CTFuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104693&oldid=104692 5* 03Pro465 5* (+0) 10/* Turing Completeness */ > 1668433352 262403 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07THROBOL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104694&oldid=104686 5* 03BoundedBeans 5* (+296) 10Clarified Additional command guidelines < 1668434304 52882 :tech_exorcist!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :realname > 1668435040 418279 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rockstar14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104695&oldid=101243 5* 03Laclale 5* (+126) 10/* Media Coverage */ < 1668435513 459487 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1668435643 195980 :tech_exorcist!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1668435670 188018 :tech_exorcist!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :realname < 1668436939 221685 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1668438506 756355 :bgs!~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net JOIN #esolangs bgs :bgs < 1668438614 931168 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1668440023 143276 :razorlovesbaba!~Thunderbi@212.252.143.251 JOIN #esolangs * :razorlovesbaba < 1668440041 555945 :razorlovesbaba!~Thunderbi@212.252.143.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hm < 1668440053 939473 :razorlovesbaba!~Thunderbi@212.252.143.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello from thunderbird < 1668440343 181855 :tech_exorcist_!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :realname < 1668440380 182835 :tech_exorcist!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1668440412 462635 :razorlovesbaba!~Thunderbi@212.252.143.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi and bye < 1668440963 794447 :tech_exorcist_!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1668441017 314479 :tech_exorcist_!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :realname < 1668441142 37532 :razorlovesbaba!~Thunderbi@212.252.143.251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yet again < 1668441709 939577 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1668441914 26297 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1668441998 587548 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1668442582 912819 :tech_exorcist_!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1668442640 183492 :tech_exorcist_!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :realname < 1668442926 690516 :tech_exorcist_!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1668442982 179145 :tech_exorcist_!13203@user/tech-exorcist/x-0447479 JOIN #esolangs tech_exorcist :realname < 1668443101 56383 :razorlovesbaba!~Thunderbi@212.252.143.251 QUIT :Quit: razorlovesbaba < 1668443211 894365 :razorlovesbaba!~razorlove@212.252.143.251 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1668443844 457491 :bgs!~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1668444033 254731 :sprout!~quassel@dhcp-077-249-168-103.chello.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1668445091 501321 :razetime!~quassel@117.254.35.246 QUIT :Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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ZZZzzz… < 1668465419 242328 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1668465555 240606 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1668465571 824333 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1668465639 516157 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1668465760 593258 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1668466109 513803 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1668466135 526886 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse > 1668467647 935580 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bundle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104696&oldid=99697 5* 03OllyTheFoldy 5* (+12770) 10page resurrected