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< 1669864285 631914 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :That would seem to apply in the wrong layer, apparently would include copiable effects affecting its copiable values even other than its types/subtypes and abilities.
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< 1669897568 828198 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I think it's in "the wrong layer" only if you think of the effect as primarily a type change effect. it's not really, it's just templated in a silly way. you should think of Sea's Claim as an effect that acts on multiple layers at once in an odd way, where it cancels copy effects and changes types and removes abilities printed but doesn't
< 1669897569 326910 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :remove other effects.  I wish wizards did something with it, ideally change the rule to something saner, eg. just overwrite the whole card with a copy effect, and change the template to match that, or at least add a reminder text. I wonder if they keep it because it's mostly competition players who play those effects and those players are too used
< 1669897569 827195 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :to Sea's Claim's weird effects and template; perhaps because they want the flavor text to fit; perhaps because Jinx from Homelands, which as far as I understand is the first card with the effect, says "type" even though basic lands weren't even printed with land types back then; perhaps because there isn't any good concise way to template that odd
< 1669897570 326874 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :effect.
< 1669897872 836386 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the effect should say "Target land becomes the copy of an Island land." or "Target land becomes the copy of a land of the basic land type of your choice." resp, and act as *just* a copy ability, one that replaces copiable values with a clear state that only has a name, type, and subtype, kind of like in tokens. That would act almost the same
< 1669897873 335950 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :as the current weird rule. The only problem is that that template isn't really good, because it reads as if it wants you to choose an Island permanent and copy from that, instead of copy from a clean state. Maybe it's just hard to find a good template.
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< 1669919317 187228 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What would make sense, but it is not what the rules say. It also says that it loses all abilities generated from its rules text and all old land types, and not any other abilities; this suggests a different layer than layer 1. It also says it does not lose any types and supertypes that it might have.
< 1669919722 992460 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-29-164.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, they broke the link https://magic.wizards.com/en/gameinfo/gameplay/formats/comprehensiverules to the page from where the comp rules are listed. 
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< 1669920190 894276 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :They broke a lot of links, unfortunately. They did that before, too, many times. They should not do that. They changed the multiverse ID number of a card which broke only one URL, but now they changed a lot more URLs and broke a lot more stuff, so now it is even worse. (And they had broke old URLs many times before that, too)
< 1669920446 351479 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-29-164.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"does not lose any types and supertypes" => hmm. are they afraid of Mirrodin affinity players revolting because their opponent can use Sea's claim to turn their artifact land to non-artifact?
< 1669920593 94625 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-29-164.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway yes, that rule 305.7 is rather unfortunate. you should probably try to write a better one if you maintain your heavier alternate ruleset.
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< 1669921105 323907 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I try to think of what would be the best way to write it.
< 1669921191 347012 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Did you read what rules I have so far, and suggestions to change them?
< 1669921785 252746 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-29-164.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, I haven't looked at them for years
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< 1669921921 79056 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I made a link recently, though
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< 1669935902 937146 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Unicode movement has been around so long now that a priesthood has come into being to propagate it throughout the world. Followers of Unicode object to anyone who voices complaints about it. (quotation from Steven J. Searle) (Although it is someone else, it is what I had observed too)
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