00:09:46 <esolangs> [[BackStart]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104989&oldid=98187 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+196) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the BackStart programming language on GitHub and added the category tag Implemented.
00:11:32 <esolangs> [[BackStart]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104990&oldid=104989 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+67) Rectified the Hello World example which hitherto would print He|o, wor|d.
00:12:59 <esolangs> [[BackStart]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104991&oldid=104990 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+123) Added a second example, based upon the UBLANG counter from one to infinity.
00:16:54 <esolangs> [[BackStart]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104992&oldid=104991 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+157) Improved the command table's diction, orthography, and formatting.
00:18:12 <esolangs> [[2.+-]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104993&oldid=104913 * Kaveh Yousefi * (-2) Rectified the Interpreter section level.
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03:10:44 <zzo38> Rule 305.7 of Magic: the Gathering says "If an effect sets a land's subtype to one or more of the basic land types ... it loses ... any copiable effects affecting that land".
03:11:25 <zzo38> That would seem to apply in the wrong layer, apparently would include copiable effects affecting its copiable values even other than its types/subtypes and abilities.
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12:26:08 <wib_jonas> zzo38: I think it's in "the wrong layer" only if you think of the effect as primarily a type change effect. it's not really, it's just templated in a silly way. you should think of Sea's Claim as an effect that acts on multiple layers at once in an odd way, where it cancels copy effects and changes types and removes abilities printed but doesn't
12:26:09 <wib_jonas> remove other effects. I wish wizards did something with it, ideally change the rule to something saner, eg. just overwrite the whole card with a copy effect, and change the template to match that, or at least add a reminder text. I wonder if they keep it because it's mostly competition players who play those effects and those players are too used
12:26:09 <wib_jonas> to Sea's Claim's weird effects and template; perhaps because they want the flavor text to fit; perhaps because Jinx from Homelands, which as far as I understand is the first card with the effect, says "type" even though basic lands weren't even printed with land types back then; perhaps because there isn't any good concise way to template that odd
12:31:12 <wib_jonas> maybe the effect should say "Target land becomes the copy of an Island land." or "Target land becomes the copy of a land of the basic land type of your choice." resp, and act as *just* a copy ability, one that replaces copiable values with a clear state that only has a name, type, and subtype, kind of like in tokens. That would act almost the same
12:31:13 <wib_jonas> as the current weird rule. The only problem is that that template isn't really good, because it reads as if it wants you to choose an Island permanent and copy from that, instead of copy from a clean state. Maybe it's just hard to find a good template.
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13:21:07 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck derivatives]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104996&oldid=100689 * ColorfulGalaxy * (-1) Fixed spelling
13:57:07 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104997&oldid=103566 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+341)
14:00:16 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104998&oldid=104997 * ColorfulGalaxy * (+81)
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14:20:40 <esolangs> [[Array++]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=104999&oldid=104995 * Z Z * (+0) /* Grammar */
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17:14:39 <esolangs> [[BackStart]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105001&oldid=104992 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+38) Added the category tag Output only and improved the introduction sentence's orthography.
17:15:05 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Khayler * New user account
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18:28:37 <zzo38> What would make sense, but it is not what the rules say. It also says that it loses all abilities generated from its rules text and all old land types, and not any other abilities; this suggests a different layer than layer 1. It also says it does not lose any types and supertypes that it might have.
18:35:22 <b_jonas> huh, they broke the link https://magic.wizards.com/en/gameinfo/gameplay/formats/comprehensiverules to the page from where the comp rules are listed.
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18:43:10 <zzo38> They broke a lot of links, unfortunately. They did that before, too, many times. They should not do that. They changed the multiverse ID number of a card which broke only one URL, but now they changed a lot more URLs and broke a lot more stuff, so now it is even worse. (And they had broke old URLs many times before that, too)
18:47:26 <b_jonas> "does not lose any types and supertypes" => hmm. are they afraid of Mirrodin affinity players revolting because their opponent can use Sea's claim to turn their artifact land to non-artifact?
18:49:53 <b_jonas> anyway yes, that rule 305.7 is rather unfortunate. you should probably try to write a better one if you maintain your heavier alternate ruleset.
18:54:27 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * GemedetAdept * New user account
18:58:25 <zzo38> I try to think of what would be the best way to write it.
18:59:51 <zzo38> Did you read what rules I have so far, and suggestions to change them?
19:09:45 <b_jonas> no, I haven't looked at them for years
19:09:56 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105002&oldid=104954 * GemedetAdept * (+761) Add introduction.
19:12:01 <zzo38> I made a link recently, though
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19:33:05 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105003&oldid=103321 * GemedetAdept * (+993) Add ideas for languages written in D'ni, Hittite, and fino' CHamoru.
19:35:02 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105004&oldid=105003 * GemedetAdept * (+219) Add signatures to ideas.
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20:24:50 <esolangs> [[MoonScript]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=105005 * Hakerh400 * (+1818) +[[MoonScript]]
20:25:22 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105006&oldid=104972 * Hakerh400 * (+17) +[[MoonScript]]
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23:05:02 <zzo38> The Unicode movement has been around so long now that a priesthood has come into being to propagate it throughout the world. Followers of Unicode object to anyone who voices complaints about it. (quotation from Steven J. Searle) (Although it is someone else, it is what I had observed too)
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