00:00:04 -!- Hooloovoo has quit (*.net *.split). 00:00:04 -!- haavard has quit (*.net *.split). 00:00:04 -!- laerling has quit (*.net *.split). 00:00:05 -!- int-e has quit (*.net *.split). 00:00:22 -!- int-e has joined. 00:00:38 -!- jix has joined. 00:00:38 FireFly: I'm not sure he can. it might be a write-only thing. 00:00:54 fair :p 00:01:58 well, I found the homepage 00:02:09 I mean even some of the code that I write is so badly structured that it's write-only, though this declined a bit since I have much less time now to code as a hobby and mostly just write stuff for work 00:02:09 sprout: Quite explicit. The overall structure is, the {...}{nz}w! (that surrounds most of the code) is a while loop that keeps going as long as the top of the stack is "nonzero" (for a list aka block, nonempty); that's the queue for the BFS, where each element has the form {{y x} z d} where {y x} is a position, z the current height, and d the current distance. And then the bulk of it is to pop 00:02:11 one off from the front (g_), generate its neighbours (2336 3dg?d2cojbc{?+}Z]), filter it to keep only in-bounds elements (J<]0>=g0saj-]L[_+x/?-<]0.>&&), map over them to also include the neighbour heights (Jg0jd!bxj+]), append d+1 to each, filter one more time to keep only the neighbors that are at most one step higher ({[~<=}[[x/jf[), update the level to mark the surviving neighbors as visited, 00:02:13 and finally append them to the end of the queue. 00:03:13 now I actually give meaningful names to most identifiers, not just one or two character golfed nonsense 00:03:18 -!- haavard has joined. 00:03:27 still not writing the most beautiful code admittedly 00:03:32 -!- Hooloovoo has joined. 00:04:10 it's getting a bit spaghetti-ish as I'm adding more and more features that expand to scope to beyond what I planned the code would do and rarely spend time to refactor 00:04:19 Oh, and there's a bit in there to push a copy of each element popped off of the queue into the state stack (JPp) so that at the end it can look up the element corresponding to visiting the endpoint and get the distance at the time (p\CLg1{-]==}[[fe[~). 00:05:15 -!- laerling has joined. 00:05:47 fizzie: that's roughly what I implemented too I think 00:06:24 fizzie: in what language did you implement burlesque? assuming you did 00:06:49 I didn't. But the reference (only?) implementation is written in Haskell. 00:06:57 figures 00:07:37 A former #esolangs (well, #esoteric at the time) person did, that's where I picked it up. 00:07:41 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105311&oldid=105290 * Nurdle * (+207) /* Introductions */ 00:08:05 [[User:Nurdle]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=105312 * Nurdle * (+115) The Creator of ABFC 00:08:08 I think if I had written it, there would be quite the temptation to add more builtins. As it is, I get to take the language as immutable. 00:08:35 [[ABFC (Another BrainFuck Clone)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=105313 * Nurdle * (+3381) '''ABFC''' (stands for "Another BrainFuck Clone") is a language created in ~6 hours by [[User:Nurdle|Nurdle]]. 00:08:48 I try to avoid adding stuff to the prelude 00:09:04 otherwise you end up with a language to gold aoc I guess 00:09:09 *golf 00:09:18 at least burlesque derivatives would be less stale than brainfuck derivatives 00:10:16 burlesque already seems a bit geared towards aoc. dynamic, int and string types, concatenative with off map 00:10:26 that's what you need to solve most aoc 00:11:17 but also, twenty years! esoteric is twenty years old! can you believe it? 00:11:34 It's got a couple of very non-AoC-related builtins around statistics, I think due to the history. 00:12:04 [[ABFC (Another BrainFuck Clone)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105314&oldid=105313 * Nurdle * (+32) 00:12:31 [[ABFC (Another BrainFuck Clone)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105315&oldid=105314 * Nurdle * (-2) 00:12:42 Like builtins for chi-squared tests, and CDFs and PDFs for a couple of distributions. 00:13:03 b_jonas: :tada: 00:13:17 imma steal those? 00:13:21 maybe 00:13:33 what's being stolen? :o 00:13:52 hm I wonder if someone has a nix derivation for the burlesque interpreter somewhere 00:14:03 the lib ;). I have no idea what primitives I need for statistics 00:14:10 admittedly I've been here for less than half of those twenty years 00:14:20 but I am kindof done with egel anyway 00:14:27 hmm 00:14:37 it's either make egel faster or implement another language 00:14:44 leaning towards the second 00:14:52 b_jonas: it's weird to think that I've been here for more than half this channel's history, I don't feel like an oldie here :p 00:15:47 FireFly: maybe because the channel moves slowly it doesn't feel like ten years? 00:21:23 I made a minimal .cabal file for Burlesque to get it running for AoC purposes. 00:21:46 https://0x0.st/onqe.cabal 00:22:17 (Unofficial.) 00:22:59 thanks! 00:24:15 if the channel is 20 years old, we probalby have people here who are adults now but whom Taneb invented while this channel already existed 00:25:33 That + a Setup.hs file (https://0x0.st/onqL.hs) + the latest commit at https://github.com/FMNSSun/Burlesque (1753bdf) is what I've been using. Although there's a slightly weird thing about installing it: it produces two executables, of which `blsq-golf` runs from wherever but only accepts programs from a file, while the main `blsq` has a REPL but the REPL only works if a `Prelude.blsq` file is in 00:25:35 the current directory. 00:35:17 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105316&oldid=105291 * Nurdle * (+89) /* A */ 00:35:51 [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105317&oldid=105316 * Nurdle * (+2) /* A */ 01:39:14 -!- sprout has quit (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.). 01:40:37 -!- sprout has joined. 01:47:08 -!- FreeFull has quit. 02:57:42 -!- razetime has joined. 04:19:32 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:25:02 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 04:36:07 `" 04:36:10 1/1:1289) there are very few things more child friendly than breasts \ 478) I keep asking random people for "friendship " and it's crippling 05:34:37 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:35:20 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 05:36:25 [[UnholyC]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=105318 * Nurdle * (+1154) create page (unfinished) 05:36:59 [[User:Nurdle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105319&oldid=105312 * Nurdle * (-8) 06:12:37 [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Optic Fusion1 * New user account 06:16:36 [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105320&oldid=105311 * Optic Fusion1 * (+124) 06:49:07 -!- bgs has joined. 07:23:36 -!- bgs has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:40:06 -!- genpaku has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:40:50 -!- genpaku has joined. 08:21:08 -!- tromp has joined. 08:46:03 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:15:05 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…). 14:01:08 -!- tromp has joined. 14:31:23 -!- wib_jonas has joined. 14:33:20 fizzie: https://mroman.ch/burlesque/lref.html says "Since Burlesque 1.7.3 you can use state even inside maps/filters etc. (However, this doesn't work for sortBy yet).", but I'm not sure if that refers to using your definition of XC inside a comparison function, or only to writing the state inside a comparison function and then reading it later, in 14:33:21 another comparision function or outside the sort. 14:38:48 [[UnholyC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105327&oldid=105323 * Nurdle * (+4) 14:40:11 [[UnholyC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105328&oldid=105327 * Nurdle * (+29) 14:40:51 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 14:41:13 [[ABFC (Another BrainFuck Clone)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105329&oldid=105315 * Nurdle * (+56) 14:42:00 [[UnholyC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105330&oldid=105328 * Nurdle * (+5) 14:42:19 [[ABFC (Another BrainFuck Clone)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105331&oldid=105329 * Nurdle * (+30) 14:45:39 -!- Noisytoot has quit (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in). 14:46:03 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 14:47:09 -!- Noisytoot has joined. 15:25:41 -!- Sgeo has joined. 15:28:05 I suspect it's mostly thinking about the state stack and variables (which also don't appear to work inside SortBy comparator), but maybe definitions work the same way. 15:34:47 also I realized the Burlesque is old. it's over ten years old, so it's been here for more than half of the esolang channel's history\ 15:35:49 for some reason I thought Burlesque was among these modern golf languages, but I guess even those are old 15:37:21 Burlesque is older than Jelly and Brachylog 15:41:29 by the way, how old dates can git handle? can you date a commit to before 1970? before 1890? 15:43:44 [[ABFC (Another BrainFuck Clone)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105332&oldid=105331 * Nurdle * (+101) 15:44:07 [[UnholyC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105333&oldid=105330 * Nurdle * (+14) 15:50:40 looks like it can handle dates from around 1973-03, before that it thinks the unix epoch has too few digits. typical git nonsense 15:59:40 -!- FreeFull has joined. 16:04:53 [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105334&oldid=105326 * Nurdle * (+60) /* U */ 16:09:10 [[UnholyC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105335&oldid=105333 * Nurdle * (-38) 16:10:17 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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Janus (150 km diameter) and Epimetheus (100 km diameter) go around Jupiter every 17 hours or so. for four years, Epimetheus is orbiting a little bit faster than Janus, so that it laps Epimetheus after 2000 orbits. then they bounce on each other gravitationally, so for the next four years Epimetheus is going very slightly slower than Janus. 20:40:11 then Janus laps Epimetheus after 2000 orbits, they bounce again and they're back to the start. 20:41:30 this sounds quite cool, we should get a pair of moons around earth in a similar configuration. 21:38:40 [[4BOD]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105358&oldid=87542 * Salpynx * (+25) /* Truth Machine */ 21:42:40 -!- sprocket has changed nick to sprock. 21:43:04 [[UnholyC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105359&oldid=105335 * Nurdle * (-43) /* Queueing */ 21:51:24 [[UnholyC]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105360&oldid=105359 * Nurdle * (+207) 22:24:40 -!- tromp has quit (Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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