00:14:32 <zzo38> What word/phrase should be used in Magic: the Gathering for "for a object, that object's controller, or its owner if it has no controller; for a player, that player" (but shorter than that wording)?
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04:45:16 <esolangs> [[Snowflake]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105725&oldid=38305 * CatIsFluffy * (+0) typo
05:08:36 <shachaf> int-e: Hmm, I'm at 18+9+1.
05:09:10 <shachaf> I guess there are at least 24 stars.
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09:28:44 <int-e> shachaf: Oh there's a door for the cryptids too, unlocks at 15 of them...
09:32:17 <shachaf> There are 15 cryptids?
09:32:24 <shachaf> There must be quite a bit of map I haven't explored yet.
09:32:58 <int-e> I've found 2 now.
09:33:17 <int-e> And yes, there is. I also got a pair of kittens roaming the main corridor.
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10:33:18 <esolangs> [[Tinytalk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105728&oldid=105727 * Rdococ * (+0) 
10:34:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Powder]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105729&oldid=60761 * Rdococ * (+192) 
10:36:44 <esolangs> [[Talk:Powder]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105730&oldid=105729 * Rdococ * (+155) 
10:37:04 <esolangs> [[Talk:Powder]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105731&oldid=105730 * Rdococ * (+40) /* Fibonacci sequence, factorials etc. */
10:37:33 <esolangs> [[Tinytalk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105732&oldid=105728 * Rdococ * (+0) /* Brainfuck */ LOWERCASIFY
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10:44:26 <shachaf> int-e: Is it the sort of thing where you find one star and it opens up a bunch of new places?
10:44:46 <shachaf> (I haven't looked around since morning.)
10:51:22 <esolangs> [[Tinytalk]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105733&oldid=105732 * Rdococ * (+1257) Conclude
10:52:18 <esolangs> [[Tinytalk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105734&oldid=105733 * Rdococ * (-31) /* Conclusion */
10:52:40 <int-e> shachaf: There's another big area of corridors that you can unlock. They don't lead anywhere though... all exits are blocked, presumably there's other ways to the other side.
10:53:28 <esolangs> [[Human's mind have sex with someone]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105735&oldid=100415 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+8) Rectified the name of the Jump back to the matching left bracket if the cell under the pointer is 0 to Jump back to the matching left bracket if the cell under the pointer is not 0 (please notice the inserted not), as the original name contradicts 
10:54:29 <esolangs> [[Tinytalk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105736&oldid=105734 * Rdococ * (+240) /* Conclusion */
10:54:31 <esolangs> [[Trivial brainfuck substitution]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105737&oldid=96113 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+4) Rectified the name of the Jump back to the matching left bracket if the cell under the pointer is 0 to Jump back to the matching left bracket if the cell under the pointer is not 0 (please notice the inserted not), as the original name contradicts the b
10:54:47 <esolangs> [[Tinytalk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105738&oldid=105736 * Rdococ * (+21) /* Conclusion */
10:55:07 <esolangs> [[Tinytalk]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105739&oldid=105738 * Rdococ * (+5) /* Conclusion */
10:55:24 <esolangs> [[Human's mind have sex with someone]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105740&oldid=105735 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+255) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Human's mind have sex with someone programming language on GitHub and added the category tag Implemented.
10:56:57 <int-e> shachaf: there's deep dependency chains in this game for sure.
10:57:02 <esolangs> [[Tinytalk]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105741&oldid=105739 * Rdococ * (-1492) remove conclusion for now
10:58:31 <shachaf> Just went back to it, I guess I'm at 18+10+1 now but I feel like I'm missing a lot.
11:00:20 <int-e> oh, new mechanic
11:01:10 <esolangs> [[Human's mind have sex with someone]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105742&oldid=105740 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+139) Added a See also section with a reference to the language DetailedFuck.
11:02:39 <esolangs> [[Human's mind have sex with someone]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105743&oldid=105742 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+454) Added an infinite cat program as a further example.
11:02:41 <shachaf> Oh no
11:07:02 <int-e> On the plus side, that was a lot of stars all at once. 18+19+4 now.
11:11:20 <int-e> enough for now
11:12:23 <int-e> shachaf: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/steve.png looks like it may fill the whole screen when it's done. (Just the overview map, no details)
11:13:07 <int-e> Also, there are more than 24 stars.
11:14:17 <shachaf> 18+11+1
11:14:57 <shachaf> It looks like I have one star that you don't.
11:15:21 <int-e> not surprising
11:15:24 <shachaf> Oh, two.
11:15:32 <int-e> still not surprising :)
11:15:44 <shachaf> Which makes me feel even more behind with all the ones you do have, if anything.
11:16:52 <shachaf> For the second star directly below where your cat is in the picture, I guess you just have to come in from another direction, right?
11:17:02 <int-e> yep
11:17:52 <int-e> (from south or west, they way it's laid out)
11:18:38 <shachaf> Right.
11:20:24 <int-e> oh, the 7,16 warp gates do unlock once you get a pair of cats nearby
11:22:51 <shachaf> Oh, right, OK, at least I figured out one new thing.
11:25:27 <shachaf> I should have thought a little more about the area past the first ending door, rather than assume it was just for show.
11:31:42 <shachaf> Not sure what to do with this place, though... So many puzzles.
11:37:54 <int-e> make a map :P
11:38:18 <shachaf> I haven't even reached the map-making stage.
11:38:23 <shachaf> But I have an idea.
11:40:30 <int-e> to me it's been pretty helpful for finding loose ends
11:40:48 <int-e> (of which I still have plenty)
11:42:26 <shachaf> Hmm, even my idea didn't work.
11:43:19 <shachaf> (I'm in room 9,12 trying to figure out how to get anywhere else.)
11:46:00 <int-e> "plenty"... hmm, I see only 3 currently. 9,12 is one of them.
11:46:21 <shachaf> Oh. Well then.
11:46:29 <shachaf> I sort of assumed that was the key to getting anywhere else.
11:46:30 <int-e> And I'm not counting the 24 star door.
11:47:04 <shachaf> (Or rather going right from 10,12 would be.)
11:47:53 <int-e> Oh I'm convinced there's something there.
11:48:21 <shachaf> Oh, your map doesn't even have 10,12, so clearly that's not the key to get where you've gotten.
11:49:10 <int-e> Oh? 10,12 is there.
11:49:19 <int-e> 11,12 isn't.
11:49:22 <shachaf> Sorry, I meant 11,12.
11:51:30 <int-e> Of course I could be wrong about 9,12 but it looks a /tad/ to elaborate to not be a puzzle.
11:51:47 <int-e> I bet that's your feeling as well.
11:53:03 <shachaf> Right.
11:53:42 <shachaf> I've tried exiting it with a bunch of combinations of cats but I just don't see what combination could help get to 11,12.
11:53:55 <shachaf> And, of course, if I just don't see something in this game, that means it's impossible.
12:10:05 <shachaf> Hmm, I guess I'm pretty stuck for now.
12:10:28 <shachaf> Not even sure where to look.
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12:46:29 <shachaf> Oh, well, at least I got two cats to 7,16.
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12:47:19 <esolangs> [[Human's mind have sex with someone]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105744&oldid=105743 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+214) Reformatted the command table to express source code fragments as such.
12:52:48 <shachaf> I guess getting two cats opens some things up.
13:03:33 <esolangs> [[Table]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105745&oldid=104009 * Rdococ * (-7) 
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13:06:21 <esolangs> [[Table]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105747&oldid=105745 * Rdococ * (+53) /* Semantics */ Make lazy
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13:08:34 <esolangs> [[Table]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105749&oldid=105748 * Rdococ * (+4) /* Truth machine */
13:11:08 <esolangs> [[Table]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105750&oldid=105749 * Rdococ * (+38) /* Truth machine */ Correct and golf a bit
13:11:20 <esolangs> [[Table]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105751&oldid=105750 * Rdococ * (-4) /* Truth machine */
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13:21:01 <esolangs> [[User talk:Yes]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105753&oldid=101578 * Alidonis * (+332) /* Request to add to the storage family */ new section
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13:38:09 <esolangs> [[Table]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105757&oldid=105756 * Rdococ * (+348) /* Examples */
13:38:27 <esolangs> [[Table]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105758&oldid=105757 * Rdococ * (-1) /* Lambda calculus */
13:39:01 <esolangs> [[Table]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105759&oldid=105758 * Rdococ * (+18) /* Semantics */
13:44:37 <esolangs> [[Table]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105760&oldid=105759 * Rdococ * (+457) Add translation from lambda calc
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13:45:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Table]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105762&oldid=105761 * Rdococ * (+26) 
13:46:37 <esolangs> [[Tautologos]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105763&oldid=105726 * Rdococ * (+42) 
13:47:27 <esolangs> [[Tautologos]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105764&oldid=105763 * Rdococ * (+13) 
13:47:52 <esolangs> [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105765&oldid=105715 * Rdococ * (+80) /* Refurbished languages */
13:48:27 <esolangs> [[!Tautologos]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105766&oldid=105716 * Rdococ * (+8) 
13:48:59 <esolangs> [[Tautologos]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105767&oldid=105764 * Rdococ * (+8) 
13:55:59 <esolangs> [[DetailedFuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105768&oldid=104218 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+159) Added a See also section with a reference to the language Human's mind have sex with someone.
13:59:42 <esolangs> [[Rule]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105769&oldid=105723 * Rdococ * (+69) Fix erroneous TC conjecture
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14:54:47 <shachaf> int-e: Looking at it again. I haven't solved this one yet, so maybe this is a mechanic I'm missing or something, but does this look like a bug? https://slbkbs.org/tmp/su/2022-12-27-165321_1321x1314.png
14:55:13 <shachaf> I don't think this state should be reachable.
14:55:44 <shachaf> (Notice the pink backgrounds on the two cats that are supposed to be grayed out.)
15:01:25 <int-e> that looks wrong indeed
15:03:11 <int-e> Hmm. Why do I have only 18 stars now...
15:03:43 <esolangs> [[User:Alidonis/sandbox/instructions]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105770&oldid=105701 * Alidonis * (+24) 
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15:21:24 <shachaf> Oh man, the second solution to 11,17 is sneaky.
15:26:33 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move  * Rdococ *  moved [[Fi]] to [[Fi (Archived)]]: archive
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15:27:06 <esolangs> [[User:Rdococ]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105775&oldid=105765 * Rdococ * (-88) /* Refurbished languages */ deduplicate
15:27:16 <esolangs> [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105776&oldid=105775 * Rdococ * (-92) /* Refurbished languages */ deduplicate 2
15:28:29 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move  * Rdococ *  moved [[!Tautologos]] to [[!Tautologos (Archived)]]: archive
15:30:23 <esolangs> [[User:Rdococ]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105779&oldid=105776 * Rdococ * (-271) mergel anguage lists
15:34:29 <shachaf> OK, I see what you were saying about the map.
15:44:56 <esolangs> [[User:Rdococ]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105780&oldid=105779 * Rdococ * (-111) Describe better
15:45:02 <esolangs> [[User:Rdococ]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105781&oldid=105780 * Rdococ * (-8) 
15:46:39 <shachaf> Oh, this is a lot of new colorful rooms.
15:50:50 <esolangs> [[Talk:Trivial brainfuck substitution]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105782&oldid=69325 * Rdococ * (-18) /* I deleted the count. */
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15:54:22 <int-e> shachaf: can confirm that 9,12 is a puzzle
16:08:22 <shachaf> OK, 18+20+4
16:09:30 <shachaf> int-e: Hmm, but 9,12 doesn't use the (seeming) bug in my screenshot above, does it?
16:09:48 <shachaf> Apparently you can do that in any room that has gray cats and you don't enter onto a pink flag.
16:12:57 <shachaf> Not that it matters because I already know how to get three cats, I guess.
16:14:17 <shachaf> Well, hmm...
16:27:24 <shachaf> Now it says 18+18+4
16:36:54 <shachaf> Hmm, I got the "Nice try" star.
16:37:15 <int-e> shachaf: I have not encountered that bug.
16:38:06 <shachaf> It happens when you quit and continue the game in that state. And not in any room, I'm not quite sure what the conditions are.
16:39:13 <shachaf> Anyway, I assume my solution for the nice try star is correct, but it doesn't seem as hard as several other ones? I'm not sure.
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18:29:40 <int-e> shachaf: well, I haven't figured that one out yet
19:34:18 <int-e> But it's probably the next big thing to do. 18+22+9
21:22:28 <esolangs> [[Pointerfuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=105783 * Transoptimal * (+1468) Create pointerfuck language page
21:23:35 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105784&oldid=105690 * Transoptimal * (+18) Add pointerfuck
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21:26:11 <esolangs> [[Pointerfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105785&oldid=105783 * Transoptimal * (+26) Add Category:Low-level
21:37:15 <esolangs> [[Pointerfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105786&oldid=105785 * Transoptimal * (+1187) Add examples
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23:25:09 <shachaf> 18+22+6
23:25:19 <shachaf> I still have no idea what's going on with this meta thing.
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