> 1672273907 376299 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Calculator fuck14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105824&oldid=105821 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+22) 10Added missing periods to entries in the instruction table.
< 1672274646 755869 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-148.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: hmm
< 1672274656 971109 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-148.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not convinced
< 1672274938 479606 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: OK, that explains it. I didn't read those signs you said I should read closely enough.
> 1672282559 495923 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105825&oldid=105798 5* 03Earthrulerr 5* (+76) 10/* C++ */
> 1672282595 407712 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07*14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105826&oldid=105825 5* 03Earthrulerr 5* (+13) 10/* C++ */
> 1672283032 536212 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07To The Top Right Corner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105827&oldid=102659 5* 03Earthrulerr 5* (+158) 10
> 1672284068 258 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07To The Top Right Corner14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105828&oldid=105827 5* 03Earthrulerr 5* (+15) 10/* Example */
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< 1672292010 663627 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Specifically I assumed "teleporter" meant "wormhole".)
< 1672297565 564977 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh no, I missed that too. I also missed *another* weird teleport possibility though... let's see if I can find a suitable place
< 1672297631 461619 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, your extra cryptids aren't from that? Then I'm confused about where they are from.
< 1672297648 559342 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm at 18+24+17
< 1672297793 706299 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :have you found the "extra hard" puzzles yet?
< 1672297802 639224 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Current map: https://slbkbs.org/tmp/su/steve.png
< 1672297808 816562 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the answer is no?
< 1672297829 75112 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is no indeed. there's a cryptid there, maybe a star, I forgot.
< 1672297848 414982 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(in quotes because they really weren't that hard to my mind)
< 1672297851 205008 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been trying to figure out how to go left in 11,20. There's obviously something there.
< 1672297923 646143 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is the spot, yeah
< 1672297946 17572 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Figures.
< 1672297956 999722 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've spent a while on that one and I still don't see it.
< 1672297983 584911 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and you're still missing a hint from a sign too
< 1672297989 554235 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :which will give you a star
< 1672298098 684452 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I wonder whether there are more hints that flew over my head)
< 1672298193 37527 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Other loose ends are the "impossible" star at 14,19, where it's possible (or useful) to exit the meta room with the cryptid-locked door with two cats, and what's going on with the lake.
< 1672298303 763328 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, tracking down signs sounds tedious. Maybe it's the one that says something about wormholes being between two barriers?
< 1672298347 24791 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nah it has nothing to do with teleportation
< 1672298399 364298 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh damn... the barrier thing might apply elsewhere too. I didn't even consider that.
< 1672298515 664812 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(So far I don't think it does though...)
< 1672298573 179069 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I doubt it's the one about the level editor.
< 1672298595 574388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I /hope/ that's just a way to find spoilers
< 1672298608 173758 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and maybe one or two extra levels that don't count for anything
< 1672298662 25257 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for example, there's a level mentioned in the chat arena, though I forgot the coordinates)
< 1672298740 20724 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, hmm.
< 1672298805 695544 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, current guess is that this applies to 14,8.
< 1672298819 492306 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aha, it appeared just after I said that.
< 1672299008 749269 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Got it.
< 1672299018 814388 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay, I made my first "hybrid" teleport
< 1672299019 164229 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, I should have noticed that when I first saw the sign.
< 1672299042 994382 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've only done two of those.
< 1672299155 74171 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Please invent a cryptographic protocol for spoiler-free finding the intersections of what we've both solved.
< 1672299221 173625 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, 18+25+17
< 1672299301 475033 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can't get to the lake with two kittens, I think?
< 1672299426 369053 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not as far as I know.
< 1672299972 230744 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking the lake was a map or something before. It has a few suspicious similarities to the actual map.
< 1672299987 870180 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I'm more dubious now.
< 1672300344 810382 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Man, I don't know what I'm missing in 11,20.
< 1672300449 866887 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I think I just got it.
< 1672300667 279101 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, OK.
< 1672300673 8375 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I keep forgetting about this trick.
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< 1672301983 194772 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :So that brings me to 18+26+19
< 1672302746 805477 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, an optional puzzle with a star!
< 1672302870 795902 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that's the one mentioned in the chat.
< 1672303041 355139 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is that the one at 8,9?
< 1672303058 380887 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't figured out how to get there yet.
< 1672303072 153941 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep
< 1672303200 762380 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, it doesn't seem to be via a teleport, at least.
< 1672304293 925702 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's so easy to miss a teleport
< 1672306123 664433 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :18+26+21 (updated https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/steve.png too)
< 1672306216 502608 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And I still see two places where you've been that I missed. And of course the nice try star.
< 1672306682 590456 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which two?
< 1672306753 973669 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :4,16 and 8,11
< 1672306754 590380 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, you got the teleporter thing from the finale place.
< 1672306797 685042 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I made another scan of my map...
< 1672306827 681930 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I think there's another thing I've figured out that maybe you haven't yet, but even saying anything about it is too much of a clue.
< 1672308899 524428 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :another cryptid... and once again one that you don't have
< 1672308924 995374 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well, when you last uploaded)
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< 1672308958 374787 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :shachaf: I /may/ have figured out something that you haven't, as well.
< 1672309073 306622 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sounds very likely!
< 1672309320 305187 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :one rather weird corner case was needed to get to the blue area (bottom left)
< 1672309361 844956 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a sort of tutorial room for that trick though.
< 1672309419 340066 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(gjryirpbzznguvegrra)
< 1672309598 16198 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and another candidate room for shenanigans...
< 1672309667 834740 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that will be annoying
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< 1672310486 434425 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :false alarm I think
< 1672310911 14435 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: That corner case was needed for the bottom star of 7,20, right? Or do you mean something else?
< 1672311350 985485 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, right, and that star lets you get to the lake, I guess that's what you meant.
< 1672311696 974909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes that's what I meant
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< 1672312576 234683 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, that was that star.
< 1672312612 566066 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(nice try)
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< 1672312803 514485 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I didn't get the idea until I basically already had the star.
< 1672312817 643782 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's the only place that mechanic is used in that way, I think.
< 1672313009 637311 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Na rzcgl oyhr synt ba n ebbz obhaqnel lbh ragre ba.)
< 1672313054 84574 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I don't see another opportunity for this on the map
< 1672313164 500759 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :V jnf *gelvat* gb cerfreir n png gb gur evtug... gung qvqa'g jbex.
< 1672313186 644501 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I did a better job of exploring the search space this time.
< 1672313219 484802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So the count is now 18+27+22
< 1672313273 240260 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and that will be it for now)
< 1672313275 459095 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still at 18+26+19
< 1672313282 129907 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think maybe you have a superset of what I have now?
< 1672313319 692009 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, I still lack those two rooms I mentioned.
< 1672313327 13296 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which I assume contain a cryptid each.
< 1672313386 260432 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, hmm.
< 1672313496 11589 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/steve.png still has 3 obvious holes...
< 1672313549 212186 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway except for that star, all I've done today was look for teleportation opportunities.
< 1672313762 67477 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :At least it's starting to look complete. What I had previously looked like swiss cheese.
< 1672313878 461691 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wait, does the map spell out "US" with its walls?
< 1672313973 773233 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess so.
< 1672314238 318624 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm very puzzled by the 14,19 "impossible" star.
< 1672314279 885425 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe there's a call-a-friend joker somewhere in the game
< 1672314321 423956 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(an extra kitten is the closest I have to an idea... and there's just nothing there to make it happen)
< 1672314361 152486 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, actually... now that I say that
< 1672314390 855883 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nah, I've got nothing. Just hallucinations.
< 1672314532 855568 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, actually... I do have a story.
< 1672314566 474871 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wow, I need to try this.
< 1672314763 970487 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Got it.
< 1672314796 33081 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Whew.
> 1672314835 893002 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:SS14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105829&oldid=19940 5* 03TJC games 5* (+87) 10/* Hmmm */ new section
< 1672314893 545752 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That worked.
< 1672314965 933956 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Man, this is reminiscent of how we both spent a while on 5,15.
< 1672315011 355309 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :A bit, yes.
< 1672315080 180685 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, that was obvious in retrospect. Typical.
< 1672315156 65073 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Chfuvat fgnef nebhaq whfg qbrfa'g pbzr anghenyyl gb zr :-P
< 1672315213 354140 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I also hadn't thought of backtracking that far.
> 1672315292 509742 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07It Is Not What It Is14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105830&oldid=103164 5* 03TJC games 5* (+16) 10/* examples */
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> 1672316671 979055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07It Is Not What It Is14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105832&oldid=105831 5* 03TJC games 5* (-1) 10/* examples */
> 1672316933 906252 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Geolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105833&oldid=100254 5* 03TJC games 5* (+17) 10/* Links */
> 1672316955 143124 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Geolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105834&oldid=105833 5* 03TJC games 5* (-117) 10/* Links */
> 1672317074 213324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:TJC games14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=105835&oldid=105606 5* 03TJC games 5* (-63) 10
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< 1672325736 770571 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-148.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs : an impossible star that's obvious in retrospect. yes, I was stuck on two of those in Patrick's Parabox for a while
< 1672325822 435664 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-148.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was Wall 7 that seemed impossible for quite a while
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< 1672332658 427054 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :This game is a fair bit harder than Patrick's Parabox, I think.
< 1672336319 245532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Being obvious in retrospect is really the hallmark of good puzzles. There's a bad kind... "I did nothing special for 257 moves and now it's somehow solved."
< 1672336868 297192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Where they make levels hard simply by making them huge with a big search space. Sokoban suffered a bit from that, but at least for the original levels, has the redeeming quality that the levels split into components that can be analyzed separately.)
< 1672336931 24420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://store.steampowered.com/app/879850/Box_The_Game/ is a strong offender there to my mind.
< 1672336984 404718 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(There's a demo and the first 20 out of 50 levels are kind of fun.)
< 1672336988 793991 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh it has no undo.
< 1672337140 216095 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :This thing to the right here is an actual later level and they get even bigger: https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/879850/header.jpg?t=1633383672
< 1672337317 64783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :What other complaints did I have... the UI is rather clunky, being uselessly 3D and for later levels, only allowing you to view part of it at once. And I dug into the resources and found beauties like a, uh, I forgot, 50MB maybe, sky texture? And levels are actually stored as 3D models, including the floor... they're huge. I never managed to decode them (which was why I went there originally.)
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< 1672339037 81446 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have not played that game but I think that you are right, since I do not like those things either, and I have seen other puzzle games that have these problems. It is why I like Hero Hearts and why I made up my own implementation (with, in my opinion, some improvements than the original).
< 1672339142 254831 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you like Hero Hearts?
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< 1672352063 356577 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-148.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yep, that shows it's a good puzzle
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