< 1673570512 767917 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :er what is that game called? Kittens Game? < 1673570534 587121 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's what they said < 1673570536 865708 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :when did esolangs start to play this? I didn't notice < 1673570553 436259 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still haven't figured out how many seconds a season is < 1673570558 20713 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :weren't they playing N-step Steve? < 1673570559 26056 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :me neither < 1673570587 572542 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION finished n-step steve part 2
< 1673570599 976749 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh noes, a cold spring < 1673570667 557460 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't know either, I only started an hour or so ago. < 1673570758 413202 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC a kittens game year is ~15 min < 1673570774 63048 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe? it's been years since I played < 1673570787 111571 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :might be ~an hour, in which case a season is ~15 min :p < 1673570792 366930 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1673570837 556288 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like 200 seconds < 1673570852 16966 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(100 days, 2 seconds per day) < 1673570867 307549 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a *year* is about 15 minutes then < 1673570868 283843 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, yeah that checks out, then a year is 13.34 minutes, so my ~15 min memory was right < 1673570870 588156 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1673570929 354521 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I played it at some point in the pre-covid times, so that's at least >3 years ago :p < 1673570955 699400 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe should replay it sometime and see what's been added since < 1673571009 364495 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think it's as... interactive, as the puzzle games. < 1673571034 467532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's funny that farming can feed a bit over one kitten regardless of the season < 1673571093 47453 :lagash_!lagash@lagash.shelltalk.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673571148 939975 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've got 6 farmers (and 152 catnip fields) feeding my 255 kittens. < 1673571160 970956 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :well you have a couple upgrades :p < 1673571183 86402 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have 6 kittens. < 1673571194 246535 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's year 4, winter < 1673571246 497044 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Production +95/s, (:3) village +130.31/s, |-> tools +80%, buildings +85%, solar revolution +982%, (:3) demand -2351.80/s, net surplus +4246.06/s. < 1673571258 800861 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's mostly the solar revolution bonus, I guess. < 1673571279 996524 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :obviously I have no clue what that is. < 1673571329 27571 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION starts playing too
< 1673571330 896220 :lagash_!lagash@lagash.shelltalk.net JOIN #esolangs lagash :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673571357 697568 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it's definitely more interesting and less clicky than the notorious cookie clicker < 1673571411 792039 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't played a lot of them (and haven't played cookie clicker), but I think kittens is the only infinite idle game I've really enjoyed < 1673571438 352666 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are some neat finite ones though, like A Dark Room (which kittens borrowed the aesthetic/visual design from a bit) < 1673571449 450389 :craigo!~craigo@180-150-37-12.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1673571469 937156 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's the JS programming one, Bitburner. < 1673571476 131788 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :don't think I've seen that one, hm < 1673571748 761073 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you have, like, links to these? < 1673571768 102857 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :kittens game is http://kittensgame.com/ < 1673571778 310443 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :a dark room is http://adarkroom.doublespeakgames.com/ < 1673571973 739348 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks < 1673572954 45191 :Thedarkb2!~Thedarkb@92.40.196.34.threembb.co.uk JOIN #esolangs Thedarkb :Ben < 1673573129 455026 :Thedarkb1-Deskto!~Thedarkb@78.141.240.26 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1673573522 567301 :GregorR!~GregorR@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`help < 1673573522 620675 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch [] " downloads files. Files saved to $HACKENV are persistent, and $HACKENV/bin is in $PATH. $HACKENV is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert, https://hack.esolangs.org/repo/ to browse. $PWD ($HACKENV/tmp) is persistent but unversioned, /tmp is ephemeral. < 1673573553 882723 :GregorR!~GregorR@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is actually still a derivative of HackEgo, all these years on, innit? < 1673573592 714770 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure. < 1673573598 101637 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did rewrite the init, I think. < 1673573617 770169 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :To use protos for getting the config from the Python script, for no real reason. < 1673573657 69148 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's still doing UML things, I guess? < 1673573673 468829 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/fis/hackbot / https://github.com/fis/umlbox / https://github.com/fis/multibot -- they're all forks of your repos. < 1673573685 992894 :GregorR!~GregorR@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`cat /proc/version < 1673573686 883521 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Linux version 4.9.82 (root@techne.zem.fi) (gcc version 6.3.0 20170516 (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) ) #6 Sat Apr 7 13:45:01 BST 2018 < 1673573713 954832 :GregorR!~GregorR@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hm, thought that might say something about UML. Not sure how that gets translated :) < 1673573730 179882 :GregorR!~GregorR@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, how delightful to see that's still kickin' < 1673573740 220879 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :`uname -a < 1673573741 15621 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Linux (none) 4.9.82 #6 Sat Apr 7 13:45:01 BST 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1673573770 262737 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think maybe distribution UML kernels sometimes put "-uml" or something in there, but I probably just built that from the sources. < 1673573804 936844 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :`` cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep model < 1673573806 123775 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :model name : UML < 1673573818 523113 :GregorR!~GregorR@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There we go < 1673574513 26929 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, a second unicorn. < 1673574833 262647 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thanks for reminding, I need to use up my unicorns. < 1673574850 200601 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :What's the collective noun for a bunch of unicorns? < 1673574884 797256 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :A blessing, suggests the Internet. < 1673574894 93686 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess that makes sense. < 1673575473 969162 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? uml < 1673575475 644510 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :uml? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1673575569 48985 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`learn UML is short for "Umlaut". It powers Häckesö. < 1673575572 371826 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Learned 'uml': UML is short for "Umlaut". It powers Häckesö. < 1673576118 962728 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1673576207 780066 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1673576502 323720 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673576617 451273 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673577545 322326 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you like the puzzle games like Hero Hearts? Many of the newer games you will need Steam or Windows or iPhone or something else, and have some problems, that is why I wrote my own instead. Many other people on here had play other game, but I had play a different games than anyone else did because they don't like it, I suppose < 1673577942 240351 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you like ZZT game? < 1673585389 91998 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1673585436 211085 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673585986 608107 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2+deb3+b3 - https://znc.in < 1673586150 111191 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673586772 153417 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1673586814 492446 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1673587096 451363 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673587189 750415 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673588047 186178 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1673588259 487361 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1673590948 346318 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1673591548 781870 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1673592974 685511 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1673593342 872035 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1673593378 584296 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1673593428 205411 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1673595500 416064 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: herd < 1673595525 646199 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or town < 1673595767 467016 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you have mathematically-oriented ideas about custom cards of Magic: the Gathering? (e.g. prime numbers, Fibonacci sequence, etc, and maybe even such things not directly related to numbers, e.g. category theory) < 1673596174 71135 :craigo!~craigo@180-150-37-12.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1673598599 539769 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1673600503 530628 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1673603905 132131 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1673603997 410094 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: you don't need to. mathematics is concerned with natural objects that already exist and pop up everywhere without you having to add them. that's why for example M:tG can do Turing-complete computations (and maybe more depending on what the infinite loop rules mean) even though Wizards didn't specifically aim to add a Turing-complete computer < 1673603997 909960 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :in there. < 1673604078 712470 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sometimes non-mathematical coworkers are confused on why we're using mathematics to solve something, it's not because we like mathematics so much that that we use it as a tool for everything, it's because mathematics is already the right tool and was hiding behind the natural problems that we want to solve < 1673606327 233768 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1673606987 582945 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1673608172 407338 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1673608181 566989 :chiselfu1e!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1673608487 108990 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, so 13 inch floppy disks never existed, they started with the 8 inch ones? what kind of weird computer history is that? < 1673609094 235609 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1673611933 285892 :genpaku!~gen@107.191.100.185 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1673611974 770605 :genpaku!~gen@107.191.100.185 JOIN #esolangs genpaku :paku < 1673614161 166420 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1673615184 824007 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106081&oldid=106016 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+88) 10/* Ideas related to esoteric operating systems, esoteric processors and esoteric computers */ > 1673615255 741765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106082&oldid=106081 5* 03Orisphera 5* (+53) 10/* Ideas related to esoteric operating systems, esoteric processors and esoteric computers */ > 1673617761 146136 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ElBe 5* 10New user account < 1673618720 187024 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1673618805 897032 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1673620132 616868 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( +69.00 science! ) < 1673625083 221817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1673625165 624195 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1673626019 450281 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1673626590 483027 :lagash_!lagash@lagash.shelltalk.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673627119 482147 :lagash!lagash@lagash.shelltalk.net JOIN #esolangs * :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673628363 370839 :lagash!lagash@lagash.shelltalk.net QUIT :Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673628618 230108 :lagash_!lagash@lagash.shelltalk.net JOIN #esolangs * :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673630449 129977 :bgs!~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net JOIN #esolangs bgs :bgs < 1673631589 27671 :bgs!~bgs@212-85-160-171.dynamic.telemach.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1673633663 64099 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Joaozin00314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106083&oldid=103058 5* 03Joaozin003 5* (+48) 10/* Links */ > 1673641630 46741 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07AnruBfiankc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106084&oldid=105983 5* 03Angrylad 5* (+79) 10added see also < 1673644459 485611 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1673645668 11852 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1673645696 151942 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1673645746 118740 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1673645998 491244 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wow, this Workshop offers some very expensive but powerful improvements < 1673646054 801828 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Everything in this game is expensive. < 1673646092 790346 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Not currently playing, but I did start a run in my other browser profile that keeps state.) < 1673646133 278145 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"We've noticed that you like expensive things so here's something even more expensive!" -- the game in a nutshell? < 1673646145 730170 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I can get improvements that improve improvements that improve the speed of workers that produce materials < 1673646152 899917 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The science tree also sounds a lot like Civilization. < 1673646190 786641 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(There's Writing (if you haven't seen that yet... you'll see it soon. I'm only at year 20 or so.) < 1673646213 968968 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :will there be an improvement that gives cats minimal intelligence so if they would starve they abandon what they're working on and start farming instead? < 1673646223 248410 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :extra cold winters suck < 1673646259 628329 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sadly, I don't think there's such an improvement. < 1673646270 758432 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know. Since I started over I've actually managed to plan ahead for the winters with catnip to spare. I'm also keeping cat numbers relatively low. < 1673646279 208961 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :My first run I killed 3 kittens the first year. < 1673646298 716670 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But the record of that is gone ;-) < 1673646299 879577 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though there's enough boosts to catnip production that it's no trouble keeping the number positive even in cold winters without allocating many kittens to farming. < 1673646336 15445 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The solution is to invest catnip in spring. < 1673646353 790952 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or, well, at the start of winter when you know how bad it is. < 1673646373 30672 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though I guess there's a chance that it gets more complicated again. < 1673646388 504238 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn't this supposed to be an idle game? why should I pay attention at every winter? < 1673646389 910530 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Adding emergencies.) < 1673646393 843097 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Personally, I just kept the number positive at all times, because I'd've felt real bad for a dead kitten. < 1673646424 322369 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: It doesn't have to be the next spring. < 1673646424 802553 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I will be able to after some farming improvements < 1673646452 99126 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's summer now, so not exactly comparable, but my 6 farmers (out of 255) are producing a net +4403.42/s catnip. < 1673646470 645387 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure how much of an actual idle game this is early on. Though I looked at the dark room thing and it seemed *terribly* attention-grabbing in comparison. < 1673646490 24675 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: what's your year? < 1673646507 70721 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's currently year 5655 here. < 1673646509 631391 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, do kittens die of old age? < 1673646528 245695 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :They don't. < 1673646537 67417 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think if they die of old age, the hut just immediately replace them with a new younger kitten that can do just as much work < 1673646548 429752 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the young ones are just as good scholars as the old wise ones < 1673646553 824283 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are born wise < 1673646566 730567 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, they're canonically the same kittens. There's a tech that gives you a list of names, ages, traits and ranks of all your kittens in the second tab. < 1673646588 677465 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1673646591 721167 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So my kitten leader, Lily Fur, was 11 years old already over five millennia ago. < 1673646595 176759 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which is a bit weird. < 1673646628 728544 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :furs and ivory? what the heck are those? < 1673646635 742329 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(As far as I'm aware, the names and ages are absolutely meaningless. The traits and ranks do have a gameplay effect.) < 1673646642 877788 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh no, the cats are eating i < 1673646654 296660 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it makes them happy < 1673646654 926704 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, the cats consume luxury resources. :/ < 1673646665 184920 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, happy kittens need more food < 1673646672 10339 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1673646676 817179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that almost killed me at least once. well, not me. < 1673646683 921900 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :just a kitten < 1673646722 978769 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Current resource stats, which I guess might qualify as mild spoilers in terms of what's to come: https://zem.fi/tmp/res.png < 1673646723 726252 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"need more food"... it's not a whole lot more food... just noticable when you're balancing food production and consumption < 1673646731 433194 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Not a complete list.) < 1673646758 59858 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm in year 15 currently < 1673646810 370776 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I found happiness a bit tricky to manage earlier on, actually. There's a fairly strict overpopulation penalty past... some number of kittens, maybe 20? < 1673646845 421205 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But there's two different building types later on to partially mitigate that penalty, so my kittens are currently 268% happy. < 1673646855 829255 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: it already ramps up at 10 < 1673646866 585995 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, that early. Yeah, it was a thing. < 1673646897 607152 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's 1% per kitten up to 10, then 2%... I wouldn't be surprised if it grows further, but I haven't grown beyond 12. < 1673646932 419311 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's flat 2% forever, actually. Well, or at least for the first 255. < 1673646964 961895 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because my happiness score lists a penalty base of -500%, and 10*1+245*2 is that. < 1673646972 176638 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have unicorns so the baseline is now 96%. < 1673646974 882020 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :kittens is a game that really punishes you if you don't spend the time/investment to boost the multipliers for other resources (like mines for minerals, workshops especially for all the derived resources) < 1673646983 17299 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Of which, 499% is mitigated.) < 1673647007 716150 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I miss BTs :p < 1673647042 754227 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that was a worthwhile upgrade. The others that trade catnip for energy, more of a mixed sword. < 1673647068 643473 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I combined a two-edged sword and a mixed blessing together accidentally. < 1673647071 235069 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I kinda wanna be a bit conservative with building/etc names, because I think at least for me I really enjoyed the exploration side of my first run) < 1673647080 146822 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I don't wanna spoil that for others :p < 1673647090 457159 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: I actually do like the fact that I started playing and starved 3 kittens... mixing in detrimental effects sets this game apart from other incremental games. < 1673647106 794193 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :mm < 1673647109 475180 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I find it odd that the first research is Calendar, described as "Develops the ability to predict when the seasons will change." yet the game still doesn't tell me how many seconds more of winter I have. It only says how many days the winter has lasted so far, but nothing else is measured in days. < 1673647123 745233 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :A real mixed sword, or as some people call it, a two-edged blessing. < 1673647128 546340 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: Well, that I've seen. I haven't really played that many. < 1673647152 874756 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: You have two-edged unicorns (pural)? < 1673647168 167674 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, duocorns < 1673647172 30618 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :two-headed unicorns < 1673647184 525275 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(or bicorns?) < 1673647250 402018 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Odd, the game displays a year of 5655, but with a tooltip saying the real year is 5661, even though I haven't done any time shenanigans. < 1673647262 248888 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe that's just from the negative days. < 1673647268 255842 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh < 1673647271 537334 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it is probably < 1673647277 444176 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"negative days"? < 1673647278 220306 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :they work in paradoxical ways after all < 1673647287 708085 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :spoilers! < 1673647299 848591 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, it's a fine line to tread, discussing this stuff. < 1673647313 497166 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, there's "time stuff", let's leave it at that. < 1673647329 536005 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, I guess the time tab is there from the very beginning. < 1673647330 214474 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, the time tab is probably not just for the single button < 1673647350 309103 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :two? < 1673647399 401471 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, two, there's Reset as well < 1673647484 611682 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, I reached the stage where the next catnip field is so expensive that I need to improve storage to buy it. I have to decide if I want to buy a barn or if I want to buy the much more expensive upgrade that makes my barns bigger < 1673647526 371983 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs : I'm not sure how much of an actual idle game this is early on. Though I looked at the dark room thing and it seemed *terribly* attention-grabbing in comparison. <- yeah, I think ADR gets a bit idle-y too at a point, but it's also a bit different in that it takes maybe a day or two to finish, and there's like, a definitive end with credits and things < 1673647545 480207 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's not really quite an idle game in the same way? I think it's one of the first ones in that genre of webgames < 1673647614 596638 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently I need all my barns full of wood to but this barn size upgrade < 1673647637 37285 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You need 4 barns to upgrade barns. < 1673647641 766458 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guess how many barns I have atm. < 1673647641 976674 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep < 1673647671 103947 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :6 < 1673647686 321268 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Nah, 4. < 1673647720 598105 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :making iron from wood is odd < 1673647730 243812 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh right, the wood is for heating the furnace < 1673647731 364023 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry < 1673647741 320486 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so apparently the minerals don't include coal < 1673647775 947650 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FWIW: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/kittens-buildings.png (There may be two or three building types there that you don't have yet.) < 1673647837 785880 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh fun < 1673647881 62718 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's probably still worth getting more kittens btw, though yeah, it's a balance act with the happiness stuff < 1673647916 397053 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well I can see that I need more catpower soon-ish. < 1673647939 27322 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And at this point that means more huts and/or houses. < 1673647978 936762 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have a building at your disposal to help fight the overpopulation problem < 1673647995 489710 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's fine if you're in the like, 90+ happiness range consistently < 1673648009 256658 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's still very early in the game. < 1673648014 111063 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure < 1673648016 256696 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not overly worried :) < 1673648033 449136 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I was trying to shoot for 90+%, yeah. < 1673648036 473775 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :
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< 1673648053 19344 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And once that building you mention upgraded to the other building you alluded to, it stopped really being a problem at all. < 1673648100 233388 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :the game does like doing those things where after a while you just get a hammer to deal with a problem once and for all < 1673648105 343000 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :not for _every_ problem, but for many of them < 1673648105 766679 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: I also have only one smelter which means anything that needs gold is excruciatingly slow. I have not spent any gold yet. < 1673648139 663415 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but a second smelter isn't too expensive, so you can invest into that if you need lots of gold < 1673648160 75374 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, priorities though :) < 1673648160 685712 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So you can see that gold was discovered 446.5 days ago. ;-) < 1673648188 387203 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, priorities. I have tons of other things that don't need any gold yet. < 1673648279 330704 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ooh: "Color scheme permanently unlocked: Vintage" < 1673648289 927894 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Not a spoiler, because you can see the full list of them in settings.) < 1673648309 567194 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, spoiler: You can unlock color schemes? ;-) < 1673648326 646498 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I don't care. It doesn't affect the game. Well, I hope.) < 1673648335 175942 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, it's entirely cosmetic. < 1673648340 285774 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :pretty sure it's quite literally just cosmetic yea :p < 1673648364 392939 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's in the Options menu, and it also says "Relock Themes" which kind of implies you can *un*lock them too. < 1673648372 543204 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, maybe that only shows up once you have some unlocked. < 1673648397 893018 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :speaking of options menu, might be worth giving it a look-over, there's some useful ones that can be tweaked to one's preferene < 1673648410 113090 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :like hiding sell buttons :p < 1673648436 639448 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I turned web worker on, because at least in my Chrome otherwise switching to a different virtual desktop froze the game. < 1673648735 664518 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1673648801 345309 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do want to be able to sell huts < 1673648821 96783 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can? < 1673648848 873726 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But the kittens don't just leave... and I don't know what happens to their happiness. < 1673648873 905871 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would think a homeless kitten would be a sad one. < 1673648877 342900 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Haven't tried.) < 1673648887 505872 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because in my case they starved before I could figure that out. < 1673648931 298653 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Story from my first ill-fated run. I couldn't farm yet.) < 1673648998 388592 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think many first-time players have bad experiences with winter in their first run < 1673649007 141450 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :especially if they get unlucky with a cold one, heh < 1673649041 78551 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just did the normal thing... spend all my resources, max out on workers. < 1673649046 308179 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :;) < 1673649060 120815 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :*can* you even get unlucky the first year? < 1673649083 828154 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I kind of doubt it, but my sample size is small. Three runs. < 1673649120 452964 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I had the first run, then a better experimental run yesterday up to year 10, but on the forgetful browser.) < 1673649122 459720 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh hm < 1673649140 853282 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah you're right, I think the cold/warm might only kick in after a few years < 1673649374 977980 :craigo!~craigo@180-150-37-12.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1673649430 188472 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yay, expanded barns! < 1673649451 339184 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: yes, starting from year 4. my winter in year 4, winter in year 5, and the spring after winter in year 5 were all cold. < 1673649604 884521 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh... even with the expanded barns I can't buy the next catnip field < 1673649617 17889 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow < 1673649639 860780 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's something wrong with that. does the extnded barns not store more catnips? < 1673649654 12027 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it only increases the other capacities? < 1673649875 575022 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes, the description says "Expanded Barns. 75% more storage space for wood and iron" < 1673649884 29001 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops < 1673649901 524278 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh, happiness can go above 100% < 1673650025 581372 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, now I can build warehouses < 1673650048 302815 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :for housing all your warez < 1673650472 968779 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh, a new tab too. Trade < 1673650479 432527 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I can trade with hostile Griffins < 1673650501 583991 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's fun because they have almost as many different English spellings as Phoenixes < 1673650545 413068 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I could discover new lands if I had more catpower capacity, though I have no idea how to increase my catpower capacity < 1673650591 186655 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's also a Stats page, showing that I starved 8 kittens near the start of the game < 1673650624 670618 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ugh, Griffins. < 1673650630 78576 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The Griffins hate you for no reason. < 1673650632 334758 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh! census < 1673650645 500872 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :the real bastards are the zebras.. < 1673650656 829323 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, yes. < 1673650669 805504 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Leader: %username%" < 1673650680 289527 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yeah, that's a silly bug < 1673650693 639676 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the only reason it hasn't been fixed is it's literally only a problem before one selects their first leader < 1673650727 917750 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The only policy set I've not made a choice between that I've been eligible to is Zebra Relations, because neither of the two options really appealed to me. < 1673650736 196975 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :For everything else, I've picked something. < 1673650805 996408 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, does buying a second workshop unlock more researches that I can buy in the workshop and/or more craftable materials? < 1673650810 402555 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have to try < 1673650836 957670 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It improves your craft effectiveness. < 1673650846 965579 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I know that part, it says so < 1673650861 917285 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's "all" it does, but that's not an unimportant benefit. < 1673650869 925079 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Since a lot costs craftable resources. < 1673650904 462761 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm at +786% craft effectiveness, for example. < 1673650907 958221 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, and there are multi-depth crafting recipes where you get the productivity bonus multiple times < 1673650914 151065 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's one of those things that'll end up having-- yeah < 1673650921 910292 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :it pays off heavily < 1673651038 209925 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: Did you start making spreadsheets? I understand that's kind of a thing to do with these things. < 1673651040 307557 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've done a few little things, but nothing really major. < 1673651084 22036 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I remember taking some notes around trading with the different trading partners at least < 1673651091 82304 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yeah, only minor things for me I think < 1673651094 187958 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have written my own calculator tool for Factorio, and have more TODO how I should improve it. does that count? < 1673651095 593372 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not _that_ much of a minmaxer < 1673651124 580034 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Different game, but definitely the same sort of thing. < 1673651171 380933 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I'll get very deep in Kittens < 1673651229 39549 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, that might have been the last catnip fields that I bought < 1673651278 843679 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some of those things really ramp up in cost. Huts in particular. < 1673651302 824465 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have 71 catnip fields and 5 barns, and I'd need to buy another barn to buy the catnip fields, and I could probably only buy like two or three before the next barn after that < 1673651328 899715 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I guess I'll just have to invest into science until I discover better food production methods < 1673651347 713215 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's a lotta catnip fields < 1673651378 725526 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've got 156 catnip fields, but the six farmers still outperform them in terms of catnip production. < 1673651440 957863 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And of course aren't affected by seasons, which is maybe not very realistic. < 1673651465 722353 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :whoa, log house, I didn't notice that < 1673651491 491722 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :! I came across my first new game mechanic (since I last played) < 1673651563 371348 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Lbhe xvggraf ner fhssrevat ab vyy rssrpgf sebz cbyyhgvba.) < 1673651622 109900 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Vg cebonoyl pbhagf nf purngvat, ohg V whfg 'abcr'q gung. Naq sebz jung V ernq, gur vagebqhpgvba bs vg jnf n yvggyr pbagebirefvny gbb. < 1673651678 917388 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Gurer'f n gbttyr va bcgvbaf / zber sbe vg. Gubhtu V qvq vg ol QVL.) < 1673651706 814455 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :*nod* < 1673651858 37994 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :V guvax zl znva fghzoyvat oybpx va gur ab-erfrgf nccebnpu evtug abj vf, lbh qba'g trg npprff gb frpbaq-gvre havpbea eryvtvba fghss jvgubhg Zrtnybinavn, juvpu pbfgf 5+10 cnentba (jvgu gur cererdhvfvgr), fb V yvgrenyyl pna'g qb zhpu zber orsber jnvgvat gra gubhfnaq zber lrnef. < 1673651904 221894 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Playing without resets is probably objectively nonsensical, but eh. < 1673651928 111875 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :ow < 1673651947 605535 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think at least if you continue that approach you'll get an achievement after silly amounts of time < 1673651953 336970 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :but.. < 1673651963 977587 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah I'm not sure it's worth it :p < 1673652011 100993 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1673652012 108453 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suspect I'll leave it in the background for extended periods of time eventually. < 1673652188 205449 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, the workshop lists a craftable material that is crafted from a material that I don't know yet < 1673652210 404665 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, more than one in fact < 1673652215 257260 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but this one isn't red < 1673652226 87254 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just gray < 1673652230 546422 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know how this works < 1673652254 596925 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I suspect it means the initial storage capacity of the thing you don't have yet is sufficient to craft whatever it is it's for. < 1673652286 65209 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1673652331 460823 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or maybe it's a craftable resource that has no caps. But in any case, I think red's reserved for the case where you couldn't possibly build something because of the caps. < 1673652850 972988 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh! I got a new way to get more catnip < 1673652957 397149 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now that I think of it, I'm not sure it's healthy for kittens to subsist only on catnip. < 1673653082 431188 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe the catnip is a game simplification for multiple plant-based cat food < 1673653125 988193 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, it pretty much is < 1673653131 817557 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh! free items from the workshop productivity < 1673653196 984508 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :"catnip" just sounds more fun than "food" (and I guess works better with the refinement to wood.. well kinda, I mean it's the kind of game where you need to suspend some disbelief I guess :p) < 1673653223 476606 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's a catnip forest, after all, that's already a bit odd. < 1673653583 788470 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, I just realized I kind of stopped building warehouses a long time ago (there's so much bigger storage upgrades), and now they're relatively speaking really cheap. < 1673653590 234864 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Like, at the count I'm on (62 warehouses), the price is ~2k beam and slab, and I've got a stockpile of 4.71G beam and 3.13G slab. I guess I could throw a hundred million each at it, for something like... 70 more warehouses, if my math was right. < 1673653635 645261 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, ended up at 137 warehouses before the slab count dipped to 2.99G. < 1673653662 147084 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Didn't actually boost the resource caps very much though. < 1673653691 959281 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1673654162 169883 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh! so this new thing boosts catnip production both on the fields and by farmers < 1673654191 980792 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yeah < 1673654194 556629 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :those are very useful < 1673654266 547474 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The tooltips about bonuses are sometimes kinda hard to interpret. < 1673654307 355281 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :They've got some |-> notation sometimes which I've inferred is trying to indicate what bonuses apply to what. < 1673654332 263222 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, refine catnip to wood doesn't benefit from the workshop bonus? < 1673654357 42950 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :For catnip, I think it's (fields * weather + village * tools) * buildings * other things. < 1673654363 674497 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought it did? < 1673654382 162342 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe that one was special, actually.