< 1673654411 654421 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, there's a different kind of (much later) building that affects the catnip refine bonus separately. < 1673654420 772247 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I clicked on the refine 100 catnip button and got only 100 wood < 1673654429 979215 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that's probably right. < 1673654469 23284 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know there's a workshop upgrade that makes it costs only 50 catnip per wood, and I got that already < 1673654502 34050 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(With +4372/s catnip production and +242K/s of wood production, there isn't really much sense in refining catnip to wood.) < 1673654543 298486 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, it looks like producing wood with woodcutters is faster than with farmers, that's what I wanted to know, that's why I was trying to understand how all these confusing numbers work < 1673654545 649975 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there was a period in which farmers + refining catnip paid off better than woodcutters < 1673654559 242059 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :but probably only temporarily and only borderline < 1673654566 170463 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably not worth optimising for :p < 1673654702 331528 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, but the numbers were so hard to understand that I didn't know it even though it's not even close now, woodcutters are much better < 1673654836 938236 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would like to get a bit more (moderate spoilers) snvgu, orpnhfr bs gubfr ercrngrq eryvtvba obahfrf + yrff obahf ybff sebz nqbengvba, ohg vg qbrfa'g frrz ernyyl cenpgvpny, orpnhfr NSNVPG bayl grzcyrf fgber snvgu, naq ng 69 grzcyrf, gur arkg bar pbfgf 125X tbyq. < 1673654901 539696 :shachaf!~shachaf@user/shachaf PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, I don't remember any catnip in N-Step Steve. < 1673654921 979414 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Bxnl, abg fb zhpu yrff FE obahf ybff, zber yvxr orvat noyr gb erfgber vg snfgre ol fnivat hc zber snvgu.) < 1673655061 528176 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :mmm < 1673655072 543871 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's kind of designed around having reset at that point I think < 1673655080 474257 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but yes, them kittens..) < 1673655170 668010 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, I think I can capture more kittens < 1673655236 256588 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In my headcanon, they're joining of their own volition, not really get captured. < 1673655249 678700 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah < 1673655256 452470 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :let's say I can attract more kittens < 1673656039 707113 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( the cheat code is "c'mere kitty" ) < 1673656261 391091 :chiselfu1e!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1673656287 521483 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1673657314 837901 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you were right, some of these things that I can buy are very expensive < 1673657391 927753 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well I can't buy them yet < 1673657408 937108 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but they're offered from sale < 1673657525 528191 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"13.05Z havpbeaf unir orra fnpevsvprq. Lbh'ir tbg 167.04X havpbea grnef!" At some point these stop feeling like real things and just become numbers. < 1673657542 762646 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1673657558 528185 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1673657782 38611 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1673657797 190036 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1673657978 121764 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673658008 261868 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1673658097 372322 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I hope I eventually get something that gives zber cebqhpgvivgl gb fzrygvat veba < 1673658123 633841 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :year 29, 11 kittens by the way < 1673658805 983611 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> 28 * 800 / 3600 < 1673658807 488380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : 6.222222222222222 < 1673658877 446093 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :frig, accidentally had some kittens die :( < 1673658883 468468 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :so much for keeping that zero < 1673658909 630188 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :should've kept more of a safety margin < 1673658930 494031 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( just use the "wipe" button and all will be forgotten ) < 1673659106 180528 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what's the difference between wipe and reset? < 1673659146 246111 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :For now, the statistics tab. < 1673659166 167193 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently there's some boni that carry over between runs later one? Not sure, just sounds like it. < 1673659180 307519 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wipe gets rid of all that too. < 1673659197 445230 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesn't the 'Time' tab expand on that in the reset section? < 1673659219 176619 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's explained somewhere in the game, yeah. < 1673659220 276541 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but yeah, that seems right) < 1673659228 266422 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't have it open :P < 1673659236 87420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(So I'm still 21) < 1673659245 332341 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh to still be 21.. < 1673659248 910700 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION ducks
< 1673659275 214516 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: "Resetting the timeline will start the game from scratch. You will keep all your statistics and achievements. You receive various game bonuses." < 1673659304 157122 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :right < 1673659314 533617 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :two more minutes and I'll be able to buy the expensive thing that will make the kittens very happy < 1673659425 667719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you'd think catnip would be enough < 1673659428 40858 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :bought it < 1673659961 39133 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just got my first unicorn < 1673659986 614814 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :clearly the expensive thing was worth < 1673659994 125742 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1673660034 377417 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hunters brought unicorns home for me in the first decade in two runs < 1673660039 136212 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :was I lucky? < 1673660054 710040 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Regarding fzrygvat veba, there's n qvssrerag ohvyqvat gung unf n zhpu ovttre onfr engr bs veba cebqhpgvba, cyhf inevbhf hctenqrf, but really what matters are the zber be yrff tybony cebqhpgvba obahfrf. For example, I'm cebqhpvat +11390/f veba, sebz n onfr cebqhpgvba svther bs zreryl +86.19/f, jvgu +333%, +175% naq +1010% obahfrf nccyvrq zhygvcyvpngviryl. < 1673660077 190258 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I needed to hunt _too_ long to get my first 'corn. < 1673660132 567460 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Plural, btw, I got the unicorn pasture too. I saw a third one, but that took a long while. < 1673660159 726228 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, if you've got a unicorn pasture, then you've seen its flavor text, I liked that one. < 1673660161 576402 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I guess it's still a matter of sparing a worker for hunting. < 1673660185 165782 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some of the flavor texts are funny. < 1673660191 388650 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm getting +188.10/s plain 'corns at the moment. < 1673660233 39913 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I liked the aqueduct one too. < 1673660245 645909 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I can see it any more. :/ < 1673660260 466234 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"No swimming" < 1673660267 124114 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, heh. < 1673660279 384480 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wouldn't think a kitten community would need that sign. < 1673660289 117268 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, some cats do like to swim, I've seen them on YouTube. < 1673660294 656099 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heh, that didn't cross my mind. < 1673660311 126286 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though I've heard that *some* cats like water. < 1673660366 817250 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does the game also do the Civilization thing where a certain technology renders buildings obsolete? < 1673660383 478638 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That may or may not be the reason why I can't see the text any more. (Yes.) < 1673660423 142208 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Although... the way it works is, when you choose to "upgrade" a building type, you lose all the old ones you've built, and the new ones aren't in all cases just "same, but better". < 1673660443 413155 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sometimes they do a different thing. And it's not done to everything, just a handful of things. < 1673660493 269942 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I stalled quite long before getting rid of aqueducts, because of having to allocate a lot of kittens for farming to compensate for the loss of catnip production. < 1673660555 447325 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh, so now I have to craft in the workshop parchment from furs, while the kittens are quickly eating the furs to make this hard < 1673660566 816001 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Okay, so not quite the same... Civilization had you scramble and rebuild everything. < 1673660585 686222 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(well, "scramble"... it's turn-based after all) < 1673660595 13471 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :By the way, on unicorns, there's one whole game mechanic that (from what I've read) a lot of people take a long long time to find, owing to the fact that the game doesn't actually show buildings you have already unlocked until you've got some sufficient fraction of the resources to build them. < 1673660600 212114 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So if a building needs some craftable resource, and you don't have any other reason to craft it, and it's an expensive one, you might never learn the building exists in the first place. < 1673660619 941123 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's kind of bad design-wise, for anyone who doesn't just get spoiled by the internet. < 1673660623 276213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh. < 1673660635 812081 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, I didn't know that < 1673660678 706177 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's pretty bad if you always decide what to build next and build it as soon as possible. < 1673660696 856174 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Which is even encouraged by the building queue.) < 1673660721 605467 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think there's many cases where that's likely to happen, and it's not super relevant for the early game I guess, but still. < 1673660746 433276 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also the resource tab to the left where you can convert stuff directly... but only if you've converted it before. < 1673660756 625802 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I missed the "workshop" tab for a while. < 1673660787 283617 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Says somewhere you need to have available 30% of the resources needed for building a thing before the thing shows up in the bonfire tab. < 1673660826 308145 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :30%. Yeah that feels consistent with what I've seen. < 1673660850 165833 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, what increases catpower storage capacity? < 1673660866 371972 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used to have only 400, now I have 525 < 1673660874 5896 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The number of kittens. Or housing, rather. < 1673660880 483617 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1673660888 752943 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I've experienced that a) buildings don't show up when they're unlocked and b) that they show up way before I have enough resources to build them. < 1673660896 917122 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And one more thing.) < 1673660958 686874 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh yeah, the building queue is also new for me < 1673660963 87819 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this first building I've seen that requires parchment showed up before I ever crafted parchment. probably because it also costs other resources which I had and those count into that 30% < 1673660983 84899 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It actually says the catpower increase in the hut / log house tooltips; it's not exactly the same catpower/kittens ratio between the two of them. < 1673660999 45620 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :indeed ti does < 1673661160 326025 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you're worried about the one "missable" building and don't mind just its existence spoiled, it's n mvttheng, naq gur svefg bar pbfgf svsgl zrtnyvgu naq fpnssbyq (dhvgr rkcrafvir rneyl ba), naq vf haybpxrq ol pbafgehpgvba (gur fnzr nf r.t. ybt ubhfrf, fb cerggl rneyl). < 1673661199 29635 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It might not even do much before some other milestone, don't remember. < 1673661405 743508 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm more worried about missable upgrades or research in the workshop, perhaps those also show up only if I have resources, though most seem to be locked behind other researches < 1673661611 461938 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this game is very well done by the way. you can tell that from how there's an undo button. < 1673662492 656632 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ideally it should have a way to export and import the state :P < 1673662589 439162 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1673662638 445605 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: there is a way to export and import the game state, bottom of the options menu < 1673662665 236268 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh?! < 1673662668 705926 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll have to check that. < 1673662737 574656 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I've been doing Export → File (full name) as a way of backing up every now and then. < 1673662763 587400 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Which was good, because it turned out I had configured the browser to forget all state when it gets closed, and then I had to reboot.) < 1673662793 381664 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That would've been a tragic tragedy. < 1673671695 450147 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1673671785 125229 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you know why sometimes I am unable to send on the internet even though I can receive (therefore, can continue to download files that are being downloaded but cannot initiate a download, and can receive IRC messages and eventually get a ping timeout, etc)? < 1673673743 220415 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, there's now a promote button, it complains "not enough gold" if I try to use it, but it doesn't tell how much gold I need < 1673673747 448914 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :odd mystery mechanic < 1673673763 155308 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 QUIT :Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in < 1673673946 156778 :slavfox!~slavfox@93.158.232.111 JOIN #esolangs slavfox :slavfox < 1673679373 24863 :haavard!root@haavard.me QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1673679392 962622 :haavard!root@haavard.me JOIN #esolangs haavard :Håvard Pettersson < 1673679926 897292 :sprout!~quassel@dhcp-077-249-168-103.chello.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1673679942 965083 :sprout!~quassel@dhcp-077-249-168-103.chello.nl JOIN #esolangs * :sprout < 1673680929 440804 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1673682238 218443 :craigo!~craigo@180-150-37-12.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1673682357 725972 :craigo!~craigo@180-150-37-12.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1673682409 157698 :craigo!~craigo@180-150-37-12.b49625.bne.nbn.aussiebb.net JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1673682680 904356 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1673686758 348516 :Trieste!~T@user/pilgrim QUIT :Quit: Be well! < 1673686861 572282 :Trieste!~T@user/pilgrim JOIN #esolangs pilgrim :T < 1673690565 421965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1673696458 219865 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1673697563 128398 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hah, https://xkcd.com/2724/ (yesterday's) reminds me a bit of this channel. > 1673698825 273593 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106085&oldid=106022 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (+127) 10 > 1673698870 265652 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106086&oldid=106085 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (-72) 10 > 1673699107 561374 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Xyzzy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106087&oldid=102963 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (+230) 10 > 1673699131 883229 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Xyzzy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106088&oldid=106087 5* 03Xyzzy 5* (+12) 10 < 1673701990 206981 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Ah "the bottom of the options"... I didn't see the scroll bar in the options box. (It auto-hides. Grumble.) < 1673702186 326343 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But the two `file` buttons don't work for me? Hmm. < 1673702227 830671 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The text box is fine, I suppose. < 1673702266 790126 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-180-36.natnow.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1673702358 496416 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106089&oldid=106058 5* 03Grs 5* (+118) 10 > 1673703050 881852 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106090&oldid=106089 5* 03Grs 5* (+983) 10 > 1673703153 490431 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106091&oldid=106090 5* 03Grs 5* (+143) 10 > 1673703269 862012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106092&oldid=106091 5* 03Grs 5* (+99) 10 > 1673703287 251422 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106093&oldid=106092 5* 03Grs 5* (+0) 10 > 1673703368 402279 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106094&oldid=106093 5* 03Grs 5* (+15) 10 > 1673703574 824329 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106095&oldid=106094 5* 03Grs 5* (+272) 10 > 1673703626 737992 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106096&oldid=106095 5* 03Grs 5* (+6) 10 > 1673703706 895022 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106097&oldid=106096 5* 03Grs 5* (+3) 10 > 1673704502 910321 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106098&oldid=106097 5* 03Grs 5* (+1113) 10 > 1673704533 664054 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106099&oldid=106098 5* 03Grs 5* (+0) 10 > 1673705569 828803 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106100&oldid=106099 5* 03Grs 5* (+515) 10 > 1673705750 549331 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106101&oldid=106100 5* 03Grs 5* (+44) 10 > 1673706210 913449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106102&oldid=106101 5* 03Grs 5* (+715) 10 > 1673706531 245337 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106103&oldid=106102 5* 03Grs 5* (+599) 10 < 1673706560 719136 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(kittens) whei, new tab > 1673706612 349285 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106104&oldid=106103 5* 03Grs 5* (+63) 10 > 1673706635 406787 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106105&oldid=106104 5* 03Grs 5* (-1) 10 < 1673706824 609969 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: at least one of the file buttons to export the save worked for me. < 1673706994 844292 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I was stupid, turns out I'm stuck in science because I didn't have enough science storage capacity. < 1673707031 618687 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're not even expensive to build or anything, I just wasn't looking at that possibility: the 9000 storage capacity seemed so high compared to previous science upgrades that I thought I'd never run out of it < 1673707086 236114 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also yay! while I was idle my village attracted its second unicorn, so now I can finally start unicorn industry. < 1673707210 84834 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wow, I made my cats too happy > 1673707249 387865 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106106&oldid=106105 5* 03Grs 5* (+406) 10 < 1673707749 250818 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1673707790 550834 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well you need to store a lot of books for philosophy < 1673708324 90952 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I'm still baffled why those unicorns eluded you for so long. Surely you sent out hunters? < 1673708716 1273 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've got a red science update because it needs 23.75M science, which is quite a bit more than anything else has so far (my current cap is 9.37M). :/ < 1673708989 670620 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a point at which science updates start including other things in addition. Because those other things are science-related, the game displays a very high science requirement, so there's even an extra hint text in the description about how you don't need all that science at once. < 1673709172 784345 :GregorR!~GregorR@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :You haven't done enough science mining? < 1673709181 149722 :GregorR!~GregorR@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Didn't send the science miners to the science mine to collect enough science? < 1673709221 671442 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The problem is more on managing to keep all that science rather than collecting enough. < 1673709292 951970 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I think the rate for those is very low, so maybe you got lucky and b_jonas got unlucky :p < 1673709295 146861 :GregorR!~GregorR@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ahhh, you need more or more reliable science silos, or you have science rats eating your science stock or something. I see. Maybe you need some science cats to eat the science rats, assuming you have enough science to unlock science cats. (I have no idea what we're talking about) < 1673709327 429368 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :GregorR: http://kittensgame.com/ seems to have sniped some of the channel < 1673709362 329436 :GregorR!~GregorR@71.19.155.102 PRIVMSG #esolangs :So... talking about science unlocking science cats was more prescient than I could've imagined. < 1673709374 951286 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes :p < 1673709485 334443 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aww, turns out Ibvq Evsgf qba'g nssrpg gur nagvznggre fgbentr pncnpvgl. Jnf ubcvat gurl'q qb. Whfg ohvyg gur svefg bar. < 1673709519 408483 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :*nod* < 1673709614 405558 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I sent out hunters, but not very often, usually had only one hunter working at a time, and the expensive Hunting Armor improvement was one of the last things I researched < 1673709662 373551 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't have that one yet. < 1673709696 191115 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did send out hunters early though and usually had 2 of them. They brought two unicorns back the first decade. < 1673709706 670655 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But... maybe I was lucky. < 1673709741 852853 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I finally have culture though. < 1673709768 405461 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, compared to typical lions, how much more difficult is a pack of carillions? < 1673709768 571008 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: probably. but now tabbed browsing doesn't work properly < 1673709774 494956 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I wish they'd display the stat when it's researched rather than when you produce it for the first time) < 1673709807 839047 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :GregorR: I think you just can't store science outdoors, they have to be catalogued in libraries and academies < 1673709883 400584 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Year 27 now btw. < 1673710164 834730 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah the hunting armor thing is starting to look attractive now. > 1673710494 415157 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106107&oldid=106106 5* 03Grs 5* (+335) 10 < 1673710723 647428 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well now I have over 15000 science storage, so I can research for the next sciences, but of course the science tab has already revealed technologies that take more science storage than that < 1673710757 634119 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: By the way, do you happen to know jurer oynpxpbva fcrphyngvba unccraf? V erfrnepurq gur Oynpxpunva, ohg pna'g svaq nal arj ohggbaf, rira gubhtu lbh'er fhccbfrq gb or noyr gb genqr eryvpf sbe oynpxpbva. > 1673710830 40914 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106108&oldid=106107 5* 03Grs 5* (+2275) 10Truth-machine < 1673710863 277278 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's haqre genqvat jvgu yrivngunaf < 1673710937 569061 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, okay. Then I guess I can't do it orsber zrrgvat Yrivngunaf, juvpu vf tngrq ol ohvyqvat n Oynpx Clenzvq, juvpu erdhverf haybpxvat Zrtnybznavn svefg. So another of those things I'll look into at year 15000. > 1673710955 253789 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106109&oldid=106108 5* 03Grs 5* (+38) 10Truth-machine is yet unfinished > 1673710970 927639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106110&oldid=106109 5* 03Grs 5* (+1) 10 < 1673710975 441740 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been thoroughly spoiled by the wiki at this point. :) < 1673711146 248695 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't understand this unicorn industry yet, but I think more things connected to it will be revealed later < 1673711205 790680 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so far I can use unicorns only on ohlvat havpbea cnfgherf, juvpu cebqhpr zber havpbeaf naq erqhpr gur xvggraf' abezny sbbq cebqhpgvba < 1673711253 560203 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's zber havpbea fghss uvqqra oruvaq gung bar rnfvyl zvffnoyr ohvyqvat V zragvbarq lrfgreqnl. < 1673711273 23014 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1673711302 734077 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: ah right... yeah, so that entire branch is gated for you < 1673711347 447741 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that thing actually has a reasonable cost now, so I'll probably invest in revealing it < 1673711367 65198 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not right now but soon enough < 1673711396 357771 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh the kittens wiki looks Weird now :P < 1673711410 168522 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, ten kiloyears is not so long, it's... 40M real-world seconds, or 462 days. Okay, it's a bit long. < 1673711410 454642 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the wiki software was upgraded at some point < 1673711471 862140 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu TOPIC #esolangs :Welcome to the twentieth international hub of esoteric programming language analysis, adoption, anniversary, and kittens! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://logs.esolangs.org/ < 1673712250 911224 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm. Vs lbh (n) trg lbhe cnentba cbvag rirel 1000 pnyraqne lrnef engure guna erny lrnef, naq (o) ner fgvyy ryvtvoyr sbe gur vafnar irefvba 40X lrne npuvrirzrag whfg ol ernpuvat erny lrne 40X, gura V thrff V pbhyq pbzohfg n srj GP'f gb fubegra gung hc. < 1673712467 860833 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think both of those hold (but I don't remember very well to be honest) < 1673712868 543459 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, V pensgrq n fpnssbyq ohg gur rkcrafvir ohvyqvat vf abg erirnyrq ba gur Obasver gno. qb V arrq gb pnfg n Zrtnyvgu gbb? < 1673712985 413612 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Vg pbfgf 50 bs obgu, fb vg zvtug arrq zber bs obgu gb fubj hc. Abg fher rknpgyl. < 1673713012 309489 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah. < 1673713035 147329 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Naq bar oyhrcevag.) < 1673713117 726686 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well then I'll pensg bar zrtnyvgu gb frr vs gung erirnyf vg, naq vs abg, gura V'yy errinyhngr zl cevbevgvrf. vs gung'f gur pbfg vaqrrq gura V'yy arrq zber jbexfubcf. < 1673713336 846672 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :FWIW I'm not sure if the thing it unlocks is terribly relevant early on, other than n punapr gb trg bar zber erfbhepr glcr gung tvirf gur +10% unccvarff obbfg ohg vfa'g rngra ol gur terrql pngf. < 1673713412 912674 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the game already revealed another super-expensive thing: gur pbzcraqvhz < 1673713561 896194 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, pensgvat n zrtnyvgu gbb qvqa'g erirny gur rkcrafvir ohvyqvat < 1673713655 46772 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aw. Well, the cost is what it is, and it's not too important now. Qbvat nalguvat jvgu vg gnxrf n ybg bs havpbeaf gbb; ng yrnfg 2500. < 1673713832 100939 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the other expensive thing does promise a relevant bonus, but it's too expensive for now < 1673713909 284833 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll look around for what less expensive thing I should go for next > 1673714162 656729 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Terrain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106111&oldid=106110 5* 03Grs 5* (+245) 10 < 1673714228 668234 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh god, decisions. > 1673716135 640590 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106112&oldid=106082 5* 03Orisphera 5* (-9) 10/* Ideas related to esoteric operating systems, esoteric processors and esoteric computers */ < 1673717410 362440 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ooh! this technology unlocks multiple things! < 1673717550 249013 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :reduces my what? do I even have that? < 1673717974 37738 :monoxane!~monoxane@user/monoxane QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1673718006 418799 :monoxane!~monoxane@user/monoxane JOIN #esolangs monoxane :monoxane < 1673718428 795717 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs ::o < 1673720003 589214 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1673722795 283068 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1673722809 621608 :Noisytoot!~noisytoot@sourcehut/user/noisytoot JOIN #esolangs Noisytoot :Ron < 1673723089 173285 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1673726465 155677 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? kittens < 1673726467 936750 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :kittens? ¯\(°​_o)/¯ < 1673726877 368043 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :@where kittens < 1673726877 582339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know nothing about kittens. < 1673727090 675056 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot kittens is Kittens Game "https://kittensgame.com/", a contagious video game that #esolangs caught in 2022-01 < 1673727090 980316 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Stored kittens is Kittens Game "https://kittensgame.com/", a contagious video game that #esolangs caught in 2022-01 < 1673727121 633987 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot kittens < 1673727121 844828 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Kittens Game "https://kittensgame.com/", a contagious video game that #esolangs caught in 2022-01 < 1673728259 234502 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2022-01? < 1673728277 866104 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a long incubation period < 1673728282 70741 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see. < 1673728433 535674 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :uh < 1673728434 876921 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`datei < 1673728436 102095 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :2023-01-14 20:33:55.573 +0000 UTC January 14 Saturday 2023-W02-6 < 1673728442 392426 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, haven't got used to that yet < 1673728521 824669 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot compose @echo fact kittens is @@quote d @fact kittens^^=~s/22/23/r^^ < 1673728522 205499 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Compose failed to find a plugin named: "Kittens < 1673728550 575256 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot compose @echo fact kittens is @quote d @fact kittens^^=~s/22/23/r^^ < 1673728550 793602 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Error: unmatched closing parenthesis in compose < 1673728563 161186 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot compose @echo fact kittens is @quote d @fact kittens^=~s/22/23/r^^ < 1673728563 428401 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: fact kittens is "Kittens Game \x22https://kittensgame.com/\x22, a contagious video game that \x23esolangs caught in 2022-01=~s/22/23/r" < 1673728573 971552 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :<3 < 1673728574 378120 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot compose @echo fact kittens is @quote d @fact kittens^^=~s/22/23/r^ < 1673728574 705410 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: fact kittens is "Kittens Game \x22https://kittensgame.com/\x22, a contagious video game that \x23esolangs caught in 2022-01"=~s/22/23/r < 1673728610 210945 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(What is this, quoting for beginners?) < 1673728610 885571 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot compose @echo fact kittens is @eval @quote d @fact kittens^^=~s/22/23/r^^ < 1673728611 962270 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: fact kittens is Kittens Game "https://kittensgame.com/", a contagious video game that #esolangs caught in 2023-01 < 1673728621 513281 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot compose @fact kittens is @eval @quote d @fact kittens^^=~s/22/23/r^^ < 1673728622 621640 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Stored kittens is Kittens Game "https://kittensgame.com/", a contagious video game that #esolangs caught in 2023-01 < 1673728631 737754 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that shouldn't have taken so many tries < 1673728694 750749 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot kittesn < 1673728695 60792 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [kitties] [kthx] [k thx] [klaxon] [kaitlyn] [bitcoin] [ehtsham] [patogen] [kingemer] [botsnack] < 1673728699 588158 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :perlbot kittens < 1673728699 848718 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Kittens Game "https://kittensgame.com/", a contagious video game that #esolangs caught in 2023-01 < 1673728720 449451 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's probably already a macro for this, a sedlearn or something < 1673728776 966552 :leah2!~leah@vuxu.org PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh no < 1673728908 529379 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1673728991 309974 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1673729706 409951 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently a lot of things are locked behind fgrry < 1673729954 968504 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I probably won't get far in this game... I closed it again in year 31. < 1673730057 157514 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was about halfway in my research towards fgrry. < 1673730088 274598 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1673730391 795277 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :we have pastures but they don't produce fur > 1673730656 673142 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cathain14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=106113 5* 03Nurdle 5* (+1893) 10Created the article < 1673730838 264338 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a building type that consumes gold and catpower, and produces furs and ivory. < 1673730850 351379 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which is effectively what sending hunters does, except as a passive effect. > 1673730865 584900 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Nurdle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106114&oldid=105469 5* 03Nurdle 5* (+53) 10/* Esolangs */ > 1673730920 156957 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Nurdle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106115&oldid=106114 5* 03Nurdle 5* (+109) 10/* Implementations */ < 1673730940 922752 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, I guess sending hunters doesn't actually cost any gold. < 1673730954 961687 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. < 1673731000 66264 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe the in-universe rationale is, the cats working in the building get paid in gold? Though you'd think hunters have to get paid too. Hmm. < 1673731098 653084 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe they're making luxury items, gilded, that are effectively equivalent consumables as furs and ivory, just not made from real hunted animals? < 1673731108 222771 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nah, that would be weird for cats < 1673731156 989177 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :FWIW, https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/kittens-buildings2.png ...I may be a bit too focussed on science. I don't know. < 1673731208 540971 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not hurrying the science right now, I'm doing science slowly and spending most of my resources on buildings to get bonuses < 1673731244 775965 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was pretty focused at going through the science tree, FWIW. < 1673731253 658118 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :like I just got enough academies and libraries to have 20_000 science storage space, a bunch of lumber mills, mines, warehouses, and now I want to spend more on workshops < 1673731270 163610 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :workshops before warehouses would have been more logical... oh well < 1673731337 464578 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You're forced into the rest anyway. Some interesting stuff is locked behind 1000 cat power, and other stuff is locked behind getting furs en masse (where I kind of hope steel will help... maybe you get better knifes or something) < 1673731424 108765 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Eh. I think I'll slowly push this to year 101 and then maybe stop, unless I still find it interesting. I can go to wiki and/or dissect the source code to see what I'm missing. < 1673731436 184477 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Can't build more workshops, because the next one would need 20.74M minerals (and 5.19M wood), and my cap is just 18.67M minerals (and 15.54M wood). There's always something. < 1673731443 640208 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guess that's just how it goes though. The storage cap increases from adding buildings are linear, but the price growth is exponential. < 1673731445 942826 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't really enjoy having stuff run constantly in the background. < 1673731456 447105 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or being forced to wait, really. < 1673731532 778257 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not made for this. If it's running I have to check every minute that nothing catastrophic happened. Kittens might die! < 1673731602 336051 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd just roll back to a previous save if any did die. :) Anyway, as long as all the production rates have a + sign in them even in a cold winter, there's not much that can go wrong. < 1673731629 355100 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've had negative food production in every winter so far. < 1673731714 356241 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's probably more optimal to do that, otherwise you waste effort in other seasons, but yeah, it's kind of worrying. < 1673731742 485937 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"locked behind 1000 cat power" => I don't think I can increase catpower storage without admitting a lot more kittens, and I don't want that yet. < 1673731745 503111 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" < 1673731760 926014 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Oh there's also the fact that I send a party of hunters out every 100 seconds. < 1673731770 955776 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: sme < 1673731773 653025 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :+a < 1673731821 275663 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"locked behind getting furs en masse" => that helps for making parchments. I already did some of that, but you don't need all that much because you can store parchments and manuscripts, I don't have to spend all the furs at the same time. unless there's something else requiring furs other than parchment that I don't know of yet. < 1673731835 334434 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a thing that can make a building contribute to the maximum catpower, but it's quite a bit later. < 1673731839 763009 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh right, it's trade that's locked behind lots of catpower < 1673731858 249956 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :All the parchments I've had went into amphitheatres. I have two. < 1673731898 372699 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway. The fact is I can't keep this running in the background as is, so I won't get very far unless that changes drastically. < 1673731899 68302 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you want to keep the happiness up but still have a bunch of kittens, amphitheatres are kind of a must-have. < 1673731971 736480 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I researched steel < 1673731992 913909 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Amphitheatres do have a diminishing returns kind of thing going on though.) < 1673732079 51749 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1673732114 426560 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm. will steel let me craft locks so I can build huts or log houses closed to new kittens, used only for storing catpower? < 1673732121 199009 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1673732131 325222 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't want so many new kittens as would be needed for 1000 catpower < 1673732139 668820 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also I'm not too interested in trade at the moment eithr < 1673732181 387016 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So you'd want to build some housing not for anyone to live in, just for investment purposes? Quite... modern. < 1673732188 13517 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmmmmmm. Sell the huts, make log houses instead. (Unrealistic, that's way too much wood.) < 1673732274 827235 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But, I'd have 150 extra catpower capacity if I did that. < 1673732315 146642 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: they'd be storehouses. I get enough running water and heating in them so they can later easily get reconfigured to living quarters without having to tear down everything, but they'd be storehouses for now. < 1673732336 948392 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I think the idea is that the power comes from the kittens though. < 1673732350 529393 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The houses are just a proxy for that. < 1673732379 109249 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's very political, singles are more powerful than couples taken as two individuals. < 1673732403 518168 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm < 1673732416 964707 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it charges the kitten's fur with electricity and that stores the power? < 1673732422 86619 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're capacitors < 1673732427 960823 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe < 1673732447 99004 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :electrostatic charges can be very painful... beware < 1673732455 687421 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, discharges rather < 1673732484 316431 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, so I researched steel, but I can't use it until I get the coal furnace improvement in workshop < 1673732513 270145 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That... makes sense, technologically. < 1673732538 623157 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I don't think I've seen that upgrade.) < 1673732541 422260 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, but was coal furnace even unlocked before steel? < 1673732546 560194 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But I imagine you're 20 years ahead of me or so. < 1673732606 374721 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had a lot of things unlocked that require steel, and at least one thing that required coal, so I was looking for coal, and I don't think that was unlocked, but maybe I just wasn't looking < 1673732649 319533 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I don't think you can get any coal before researching Steel. < 1673732710 128192 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've had things that cost gears unlocked for a while, and even gears was unlocked, but I couldn't make them without steam < 1673732761 5563 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine that's "steel". Actually, I've seen gears, so I know it's steel. < 1673732784 545038 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though I guess that without steel they *are* vaporware. < 1673732786 863629 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, s/without steam/without steel/ < 1673732969 656948 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I have fgrnzjbexf unlocked, and that's not usable without coal, but it won't be usable even with coal and steel available, because it needs oyhrcevagf. I think I get that from researching cevagvat cerff, but I'm not entirely sure because the description for that says it lets you nhgbzngvpnyyl cevag znahfpevcgf, which is odd because I can already make znahfpevcgf, and so I'm confused what the < 1673732975 675844 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :relation between znahfpevcgf and oyhrcevagf is. < 1673733025 552894 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if the effects are similar (I haven't seen oyhrcevagf) maybe the diminishing effects are separate? < 1673733042 866252 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I have several different upgrades unlocked in the workshop and I'll have to pick from among them. after coal furnace presumably. some of them look reasonable, some look very expensive. < 1673733068 98670 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, the cevagvat cerff just makes znahfpevcgf. It just gives you them automatically, from nowhere, instead of crafting them. < 1673733074 219173 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: but it's not just the side effects that I care about, oyhrcevagf are used as direct cost in the fgrnzjbexf < 1673733077 641601 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have to make a policy choice and I don't like it. < 1673733103 126684 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: but if that's not it, then how do I get oyhrcevagf? < 1673733113 886552 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Mostly by trade, early on. < 1673733120 268332 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok < 1673733136 920778 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, so a bit like unicorns? < 1673733142 404370 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I'm not just missing a button hidden somewhere, and they definitely aren't free like Factorio blueprints < 1673733161 425669 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Any trade (with anyone) can occasinally give you one oyhrcevag. > 1673733162 75359 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cathain14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106116&oldid=106113 5* 03Nurdle 5* (-121) 10fixed the output < 1673733163 109028 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"You have to do that weird thing that has no immediate use, otherwise you're not going to get this other thing that's not even mentioned) < 1673733166 543505 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :" < 1673733196 746195 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, "You have a small chance of getting rare resources.", says trade < 1673733207 839186 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The similarity is quite direct: Any hunt will occasionally give you a unicorn.) < 1673733244 168083 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, I'll ignore the fgrnzjbexf for now then, and concentrate on the workshop uprgades, as well as buying a few more workshops < 1673733263 393428 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can in fact eventually craft oyhrcevagf in the workshop, but it's quite expensive, and not actually unlocked until approximately halfway through the tech tree. < 1673733265 840590 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm going to need more and more crafting so it's worth to buy workshops < 1673733293 555815 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"approximately halfway through the tech tree." => I have no indication of how long the tech tree is so I don't know what that means < 1673733392 381417 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm wait, there's another workshop upgrade that can produce coal < 1673733396 874323 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :deep mining < 1673733419 650783 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, those are both unlocked by the steel tech, you get two ways to make coal. < 1673733419 916312 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I probably want both < 1673733428 589876 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe, the flavor text for Deep Mining is fun < 1673733443 702490 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :does it allude to scamcoins? < 1673733467 647172 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no < 1673733532 80072 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Factorio and Mindustry both give you two ways to get coal, and Factorio Industrial Revolution 3 gives you three ways, so this is a popular arrangement < 1673733649 183001 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If I read the boxes right, my base coal production is 1.53/s from mines, 3.51/s from smelters, and 18.24/s from a third thing, plus a couple of general production bonuses giving a total of 8660.18/s. < 1673733709 525897 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's really those multiplicative bonuses that tend to make the numbers meaningfully bigger. < 1673733720 510237 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(technically in IR one of the three ways gives you charcoal, which is not quite the same as coal) < 1673733753 422982 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, this game is very much dominated by all the bonuses < 1673733956 60896 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: By the way, you don't *have* to make policy choices, you can just leave them hanging. < 1673733981 172248 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still have one (from the 5000 culture cost tier) where I've picked neither option. < 1673733996 940032 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: that's also what I'm thinking, I don't like almost any of the policies that are offered to me < 1673734186 383295 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Hmm, for liberty/traditionalism there seems to be no downside, except for blocking the alternative. < 1673734209 671419 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, I think many of them (at least later on) are just straight bonuses, with no downsides, where the only reasons why you might not pick one would be what you might call "roleplaying". Just because you can only pick one beneficial thing doesn't mean you shouldn't still pick one. < 1673734249 13192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did punt on strip mining and deforestation. < 1673734279 980635 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(That's the earliest decision you can make.) < 1673734288 435568 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: still requires making a choice :p < 1673734292 206918 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(that's permanent for that run) < 1673734296 844545 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: yeah, Stoicism is the one that's silly from the role-playing perspective < 1673734324 273103 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. Also some of them have "downstream" effects in the policy tree, in terms of what you can pick later on. Which is a bit rude. < 1673734337 127415 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: exactly! < 1673734358 249086 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't mind the choice so much as the downward effect of reducing later choices. < 1673734363 422262 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :err, downstream < 1673734391 646279 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also one policy that costs 7500 culture, has the description text of "Has no effect", and to my knowledge in fact has no effect. < 1673734393 357422 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though story-wise this does make sense. < 1673734401 7745 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Other than of course subtracting 7500 culture. < 1673734409 346460 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it hinders exploration. < 1673734415 513456 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and locking out other 7500 cultures I presume < 1673734422 702636 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are no others. < 1673734428 98076 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's just on its own. < 1673734455 810436 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: are you sure? sometimes cultures are not unlocked at the same time, and that's the case for the third 2000 cost one next to strip mining and clear cutting < 1673734463 158653 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/cultures/policies/ < 1673734522 293433 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. I mean, later versions of the game could hypothetically change that. But at least according to the wiki, it has no counterparts, and also no effect. < 1673734558 629863 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should pick some policies < 1673734565 66361 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did still "choose" it at the point when I just naturally had sufficient culture for other reasons. < 1673734593 416811 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :a lot of these policies are annoying because the role-playing aspect clashes with what the mechanics want to make me choose < 1673734702 568090 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The zebra thing is the only one I've not picked either option for. Although it'd be nice if they had a "no effect except blocking the other two" choice for that, just to get rid of the button. < 1673734848 865207 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1673734886 482220 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-14-22.public.eastlink.ca JOIN #esolangs zzo38 :zzo38 < 1673734932 648028 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, so Deep Mining has mines produce coal without kittens working in it < 1673734942 753147 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the miner kittens only mine the minerals < 1673734952 362027 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :only the shiny things < 1673734953 61673 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :very mechanical < 1673734972 392253 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean the coal mining must be very mechanical, perhaps even automated. < 1673734991 941834 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also one technology thing that gets unlocked relatively early on (after the thing that requires 20K science), and then it itself requires 650K of science and 5 of a thing that will take a very long time to get to, meaning that button will just hang out there, teasing. < 1673734994 78222 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :coal powered probably < 1673735014 115582 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Pretty sure that's really there for subsequent, post-reset runs, for people keeping resources from past runs.) < 1673735065 690389 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it makes sense, Catnip fields, Amphitheatres, Unic. Pastures all produce resources without kittens driving them < 1673735087 155157 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think Pastures effectively do too, though it's not quite clear if they do or if they give a per kitten production < 1673735235 653322 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I think that's an intentional tease that has one question whether it's obtainable :p < 1673735399 44192 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Possibly that, too. But AIUI gur pelcgbgurbybtl hctenqrf fgvpx nebhaq cbfg-erfrg (ohg gur pelcgbgurbybtl grpu vgfrys qbrfa'g), fb V jnf guvaxvat vg'f nyfb gurer fb lbh pna haybpx vg rneyl jvgu lbhe fnirq eryvpf. < 1673735453 54729 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yeah, probably < 1673735469 513442 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and that's accurate) < 1673735668 174127 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm slowly approaching one of the first big walls in the game :P < 1673735675 118658 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :kinda < 1673736031 28111 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1673736171 904601 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also one of the workshop upgrades that got revealed costs 25 scaffolds < 1673736198 679399 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1673736201 932517 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the scary thing is that that only seems very expensive to me, not so expensive that I should just ignore that upgrade < 1673736244 963874 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I may run out of workspace upgrades so I have to consider that, depending on what Theology unlocks < 1673736436 660820 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :That's in fact the thing that unlocks the other thing that you can't unlock in a long while. (Among many other things.) < 1673736559 363152 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, Theology costs 35 manuscripts < 1673736570 644379 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds like I won't get that until printing press < 1673736646 935762 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :most things that I have access to now are very expensive, a few are just expensive < 1673737608 751051 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, they start adding more things than just pure science into the technologies. < 1673737621 952209 :bvr!~b@139-144-183-134.ip.linodeusercontent.com QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1673738023 705754 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, the pasture says "Catnip demand reduction: -0.5%" so it's likely per kitten < 1673738054 581582 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if that means that 200 pastures would make the kittens not eat at all. but maybe the 200th has an infinite cost. < 1673738246 850641 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the unicorn pastures also reduce food consumption < 1673738305 890742 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Also, if you get 201, will the kittens start producing food? < 1673738394 981138 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Most things like that have a "diminishing returns" adjustment applied at some point, with (situation-specific) caps at which point it starts/ends. < 1673738490 638986 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So it'll work the way that up to (for example) 75% the actual effect is the same as the one shown, but then it'll start to scale so that at "100%" it's actually a bit under 90%, and it'll approach (but never reach) 100%. < 1673738529 701342 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not that that really matters for unicorn pastures, because their cost in unicorns really ramps up, and the benefit in catnip demand reduction really isn't all that relevant after some point. < 1673738575 189858 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: no, I mean this for normal pastures, not unicorn pastures < 1673738600 854090 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but you have a point, unicorn pastures provide the same bonus, so you need less than 200 normal pastures < 1673738630 78776 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I rather suspect the author has done the math < 1673738674 845685 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, right. I think pastures have the same diminishing returns thing, though they're definitely more relevant than unicorn pastures, and the price ramps up much more slowly. < 1673738694 452621 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't remember how many pastures I had at the peak, but I think it was somewhere between 100-200. < 1673738729 664814 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :One easy thing to do would be to apply all reductions multiplicatively. < 1673738746 557445 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(They're one of those buildings that has an "upgrade", that I at least postponed for quite a while because of the tradeoffs. The upgraded building doesn't do anything to catnip demand.) < 1673738774 490298 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But then you don't get round numbers, and there are plenty of different ways to limit the reduction. < 1673738804 469274 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :As for unicorn pastures, they definitely have a higher-than-normal price multiplier, because I've only built 25 of them, and the next one already costs 1.63 million 'corns. < 1673738829 6597 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :by the way, I got both coal techs, plus I now have 26 workshops, and that's where I put the game away for today < 1673738864 600351 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which year are you at? < 1673738897 873185 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :tomorrow I'll buy a few more workshops, think of how many more cats I want to admit to the village (it's hard because I don't dare to just kick them out or starve them if it's too many), and look at which of the expensive or very expensive things I want to get < 1673738925 541370 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Death is the only way out for kittens, I believe. < 1673738929 927425 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: year 129, but some of that was just leaving the game running last night even though it just filled up everything to the storage limit and then did nothing < 1673738961 189461 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah that's part of what I meant when I said that the early game isn't much of an idle game. < 1673738965 412498 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a false start at the start of the game where I somehow had 8 kittens total starve < 1673738982 790536 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It kind of wants your attention... hmm... every 5 minutes or so where I am. < 1673738988 435561 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yeah < 1673739063 951260 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I kind of want a version of this game that lets you skip ahead to the next event, keeping track of the time you *would* have taken. < 1673739075 255887 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it promises to be more of an idle game later, with Something Automation and Steamworks perhaps < 1673739119 136153 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It takes a bit, but you can definitely make it so that it'll at least keep increasing all your craftable stuff without paying any attention to it. < 1673739207 540992 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And since those don't have caps, it's not "wasted".) < 1673739231 557657 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :part of the annoyance is that I want less than a whole kitten on hunting, and the catpower storage limit is too low so I have to swap jobs quickly < 1673739655 742920 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so yes, that building that you mention earlier might help in the future < 1673739921 644409 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. Though not for putting a fractional kitten for catpower generation. But by adjusting the number of those buildings, you can use up the catpower generated. < 1673740122 236772 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep, it's another outlet to spend catpower so I can keep one whole cat on hunting for a longer time without filling up the storage < 1673740163 987890 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could of course also spend a ton of furs on manuscripts, but it doesn't seem like that's worth now < 1673740183 999951 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :right now I'd prefer to have half a cat on hunting and the other half on the more common tasks like mining or woodcutting