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< 1673789755 545458 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :whoa. I have 26 workshops, and one more is not possible right now because of my minerals storage capacity, even though I've been building warehouses and even a barn. the minerals storage limit never came up so far.
< 1673789955 212021 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I need to go for the printing press now because a lot of things cost manuscripts, including Theology, Temple
< 1673790094 829011 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :heck this printing press is very expensive. I might be missing somethign
< 1673790115 882762 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe I just need more smelters
< 1673790663 543319 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, this still says I need over three hours to get enough coal for printing press
< 1673790695 197526 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :does that mean I should increase my mineral storage even further so I can build more workshops?
< 1673790749 714098 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I should probably go for reinforced warehouses first
< 1673790879 61215 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :more storage and more workshops never hurt
< 1673790897 264065 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :my minerals lstorage limit is 15_040
< 1673790904 145775 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :but idk how much printing press would help over crafting manuscripts at that point
< 1673790936 582001 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yes, that's what I have to do. I can get the Reinforced Warehouses workshop upgrade in less than an hour, and that'll increase minerals storage significantly, and then I can build a few more warehouses and barns
< 1673790951 843289 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine it helps if you plan to idle a lot.
< 1673791000 501561 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't see how I'd get enough fur to craft so many manuscripts
< 1673791028 9537 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :though I guess at this point I should consider increasing my population a bit too
< 1673791033 720359 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably
< 1673791047 243220 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :how many kittens do you have?
< 1673791081 972642 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :happiness shouldn't really be that much of an issue at that point I don't think
< 1673791147 595086 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I can increase my population. I have 11 only and I want to be conservative because I don't want to have to kill kittens. 
< 1673791184 645192 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm, these kitties are 276% happy, I think that's changed from last I saw it and I'm not entirely sure why.
< 1673791207 434936 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: yeah, you probably want a lot more kittens than that.. as long as you have some farmers I don't see why the worry
< 1673791229 725289 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know how overpopulated they'll feel
< 1673791234 506669 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can definitely still be conservative and ensure positive catnip even in a cold winter if you want to be sure to not kill anyone off
< 1673791239 246627 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :mm fair
< 1673791251 295040 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :amphitheatres should help address that
< 1673791269 781959 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't need positive catnip in the winter. I have 50_000 catnip storage, I can survive more than a winter with no catnip income
< 1673791283 113468 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :most of the time I don't have farmers at all
< 1673791357 917671 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have 56.45M catnip storage and still keep it positive in all circumstances. :)
< 1673791384 833693 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have.. 55 kittens now and 30 workshops/catnip limit 62.5K (but I think maybe a bit further ahead wrt science)
< 1673791391 671465 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll just have to remember not to go as low when refining catnip
< 1673791455 865954 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :you're probably better off to build some more huts and just allocate some woodcutters over refining catnip at that point (and probably add some farmers to compensate for more kittens, esp since farmers aren't affected by season/weather)
< 1673791514 604663 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I just built more huts. and I do get the majority of my wood from woodcutters, but I refine catnip because it reaches the max storage quickly and it's pointless to just let it go to waste
< 1673791534 519748 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah fair
< 1673791552 333791 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been doing that but only down to maybe 30K to have a pretty big safe buffer
< 1673791567 125350 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have 16 kittens now, they're at 112% happiness with furs and ivory and consume 63/s food then, which means max storage catnip is enough for close to two years. I'll see in a moment what happiness they get with no furs and no ivory.
< 1673791617 440494 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :each of those should add +10%
< 1673791622 448412 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, percentage points
< 1673791651 526692 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So 102% with one, and 92% with none.
< 1673791662 813619 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the extra loghouses have the secondary advantage of a bit more catpower storage
< 1673791667 21419 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I built loghouses, not huts)
< 1673791672 499599 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :none being one, because unicorns always count
< 1673791686 356916 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(unless, maybe, you see the unicorn pastures and spend all the unicorns somehow)
< 1673791686 404970 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right.
< 1673791692 510023 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :see -> sell
< 1673791695 197478 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :hovering over the orange happiness thing should give you the breakdown
< 1673791715 763522 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Rare resources: +99%"
< 1673791716 51757 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :by the way, should I be promoting kittens more often? mine are only rank 1 and rank 2
< 1673791739 760391 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :orange happiness thing where?
< 1673791754 339076 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the top bar, where it says 112%
< 1673791759 227465 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll have more gold now because I'm mass smelting
< 1673791762 933999 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah
< 1673791768 589525 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :with an outline of a cat (that used to be saying (:3) in a previous version, heh)
< 1673791773 551649 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :thank you
< 1673791800 226108 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, yes, 91% without furs
< 1673791807 707160 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The production tooltips still use "(:3) Village".
< 1673791807 826822 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so they aren't too overpopulated
< 1673791855 342758 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :it'll probably quickly go down as you get more kittens, but amphitheatres should also quickly counter that if you try to build some of those
< 1673791885 641620 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :with my 55 kittens I have 118% happiness currently (penalty base: -104%, penalty mitigated: 75% -> population penalty: -29%)
< 1673791907 499348 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :My 276% is from base 100% + buildings 70% + rare resources 99% - population 540% + mitigated 539% + environment 8%.
< 1673791920 13207 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll go with just 16 kittens now, I can still more easily attract more later than send them away
< 1673791926 59887 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's fair
< 1673791952 999194 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm trying to convince  mroenf  to give me  gvgnavhz
< 1673791960 284306 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I just have to pay attention to all the crafting
< 1673791978 834188 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(to be honest, that's probably parseable even without de-rot13, or at least inferrabel)
< 1673791980 742612 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :inferrable*
< 1673791988 310474 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably some trade thing
< 1673792023 274172 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :FireFly: I've finally got mroenf gb or arhgeny, abj gung vg ernyyl qbrfa'g znxr zhpu bs n qvssrerapr.
< 1673792077 946731 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh I didn't know it's possible to get them to that point, I think that might also be new
< 1673792103 349345 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it's from having sufficient tradeposts and/or embassies, not sure which.
< 1673792116 734552 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I could cvpx Mroen Eryngvbaf: Oryyvpbfvgl whfg gb fcvgr gurz abj.
< 1673792126 221895 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I saw the embassies, but only when previously like, taking a look to see if anything changed since I played properly
< 1673792141 552798 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I'm still a bit fuzzy on the mechanics of those
< 1673792149 617973 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: :p
< 1673792197 881518 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also don't tempt me, I'm trying to not learn any rot13, just as I'm trying to not learn the digits and letters of the vision test charts, and both are hard
< 1673792239 542969 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops
< 1673792292 864660 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're at least no longer using the 42 chart for serious purposes on me anymore, which helps, but the new vision test chart also only has 30 letters and 30 numbers, 10+10 in each of three sizes, so that doesn't sound like I can keep not learning it for my whole lifetime
< 1673792315 452511 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hopefully by then technology gets cheaper so they can get new sets of letters and digits in the projectsr
< 1673792517 811871 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Back home the vision tests all used this thing which only contains the letter E, but it's in the four possible orientations.
< 1673792534 219131 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then you just say "up", "down", "left", "right", depending.
< 1673792551 457505 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you could still learn the directions though.
< 1673792575 690467 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Assuming they don't have a set of differently randomized ones.
< 1673792586 387127 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, there's a set of three charts with the same layout as the 42, one is the 42 one with digits, one with letters, and one with hands in three different rotations (so young children that don't yet know digits or even left and right can show the directions on their hand)
< 1673792591 97634 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( especially if you have trouble keeping left and right apart )
< 1673792594 434977 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :forks or epsilons really
< 1673792618 694280 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :all three have been used for decades
< 1673792636 606061 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Isn't there also a circle-with-gap one?
< 1673792704 766532 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not with the same layout as these as far as I recall
< 1673792877 419619 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"These include Snellen Chart, LogMAR Chart, Jaeger Chart, E Chart, and Landolt C Chart."
< 1673792895 338963 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The last one is apparently circle-with-a-gap.
< 1673792966 807093 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah that explains the C name.
< 1673793434 259703 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :am I missing something for how to increase my coal production? I don't have a steamworks yet
< 1673793479 812315 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have both coal-producing Workshop upgrades
< 1673793490 475585 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess coal is just slow
< 1673793712 617980 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could buy even more smelters I guess, but I have 17 now
< 1673793852 870344 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :more workshops will help I guess, since the productivity applies twice to gears but only once to plates
< 1673793877 666726 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's pretty slow. Most of my coal production is from not-a-building, but that gets unlocked later.
< 1673793959 534661 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Also turning steamworks on has a really hefty penalty on coal production.)
< 1673793981 359888 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't have a steamworks yet, it seems like I couldn't use it yet
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< 1673795328 267545 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I can understand why you want to keep catnip production positive: the crafting section of the left column has a button to refine all your catnip to wood, so if I clicked that in the winter that would be an almost instant starve all kittens button. (almost instant because technically I'd have up to 50 catnip left, so I may have more than a second of grace time to start farming)
< 1673796264 163986 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :at some point it's just a nice insurance to put like one or two kittens on farming when it's enough to sustain your hundreds of kittens
< 1673796270 19945 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :even if there's a slight "waste"
< 1673796330 473519 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, but right now I'd need 3 out of 16 kittens to guarantee that
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< 1673796816 174633 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :bam! Reinforced Warehouses
< 1673797071 403043 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, hey, it's year 6008, welcome to the new millennium.
< 1673797808 675034 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: . o O ( aka storage tanks )
< 1673797892 791650 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ohh, it's the leader's trait that the little symbol in the tab titles is indicating.
< 1673797898 464496 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've pretty much permanently had a scientist leader, and was wondering why there's a small atom symbol next to the "Science" tab.
< 1673797954 904532 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Now I switched to something else because there isn't really any science to buy, except for one upgrade that costs 25M science that I can't afford any time soon.
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< 1673798803 924499 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had to produce extra iron with the coal, so I'm now buying two Lumber Mills
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< 1673799064 42585 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I'll buy workshops now that I have the larger mineral storage limit, and might also buy a barn, and then once the warehouses make crafting cheaper I'll buy more warehouses 
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< 1673799558 309468 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I may as well hunt a bit more and craft some manuscripts, since my culture storage is full
< 1673802099 805798 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've got culture pretty much permanently at cap, with culture production wasted, since there isn't really an obvious sink for it.
< 1673802227 3334 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Nor a way to limit its production.)
< 1673802238 258126 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Incidentally, speaking of those percent effects, I've built 83 tradeposts, each gives -4% reduction in furs/ivory/spice consumption, shift-hovering on the building indicates all three are "X demand reduction: -332.00%", but the kittens are still consuming a little bit.
< 1673802255 350373 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Instead of having started paradoxically to produce those things.
< 1673802416 352567 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oops, I forgot that steel production also unlocks this Steel Axe upgrade. I should have researched that long ago.
< 1673802461 594512 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, not very long ago, but earlier today, before Reinforced Warehouses and Steel Armour
< 1673805093 213870 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice! this is the first time in game that I have barns maxed out in that I can't buy another barn because the wood storage capacity isn't enough for the next one
< 1673805129 441847 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this is only temporary because I can still buy warehouses
< 1673805152 808441 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also now I have enough storage space to buy yet another workshop
< 1673805156 751205 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have 28 right now
< 1673805329 402017 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, so next I want to build workshops and warehouses and buy Printing Press
< 1673805334 495055 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the upgrade that is
< 1673805602 425720 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :er... maybe I shouldn't have waited till the start of spring to buy the catnip field?
< 1673805650 862541 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it didn't go bad, but I should think before I click that button
< 1673807353 836802 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :warehouses are technically infinite because they're built from resources that don't have a storage limit
< 1673807495 727700 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but of course their price rises so there's a practical limit
< 1673809869 113905 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :drat, I misclicked
< 1673809882 462233 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sold a bunch of smelters
< 1673809930 477877 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I can see why the options has a setting to hide the sell button
< 1673809965 357080 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's rarely a reason to sell buildings, so I just keep the button disabled apart from the off-chance that I want it for some reason
< 1673809984 222762 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :you might be able to undo the sale though?
< 1673809985 920439 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure
< 1673809992 443871 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can undo only one step
< 1673809995 611173 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yeah
< 1673810005 512441 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was trying to click on the minus button several times to turn off some smelters
< 1673810031 664811 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :doesn't matter, they aren't too expensive
< 1673810046 359722 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not the worst misclick
< 1673810058 236621 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok I bought all of them back now
< 1673810260 575798 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was quick
< 1673810276 7196 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :selling them does return part of the cost
< 1673810289 754520 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I sold five or six, and could immediately buy back like half of it
< 1673810315 179472 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had 17 total and that's what I bought back up to
< 1673810343 673948 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, I'm starting to collect coal and steel for the expensive Print Works upgrade now
< 1673810367 265389 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this will take more than an hour for the steel
< 1673810400 352751 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also the coal storage limit is low so I have to spend it on steel regularly
> 1673810487 645056 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Post-Unified HQ9+14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106122&oldid=105999 5* 03Ais523 5* (-31) 10is usable for programming because +-,.<>[] all have the same functionality as in brainfuck, thus it's trivial to compile brainfuck programs into this language
< 1673810641 568054 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :my kittens are now all at least rank 2
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> 1673815386 517765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Nurdle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106123&oldid=106115 5* 03Nurdle 5* (+15) 10/* Esolangs */
< 1673816655 553386 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, I've got the Printing Press research, but I can't use it until I get a blueprint from trade
< 1673816666 326543 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I have to look into trade now, I haven't done any of that yet
> 1673817027 994178 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Fallow64 5*  10New user account
> 1673817384 959758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106124&oldid=106086 5* 03Fallow64 5* (+144) 10me!
< 1673817397 207897 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I must have misclicked on Log House while trying to build academies because I suddenly have 17 kittens
> 1673817477 459182 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Trivial brainfuck substitution14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106125&oldid=105737 5* 03Fallow64 5* (+1) 10typo: changed "replace" to past tense
< 1673818564 223817 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1673819175 503977 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe, I found a minor bug
< 1673819231 616420 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I built a warehouse, which raised my mineral storage limit enough that I can now collect for the next workshop (I have 30), but the workshop button remained red text until I switched away and back to bonfire
< 1673819312 459431 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm did you pawse?
< 1673819320 470533 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, I didn't try pawse
< 1673819344 596061 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also why is that spelled pawse instead of paws? isn't it paws traditionally since Lemmings?
< 1673819356 530717 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm wait, Lemmings doesn't actually spell it out, it just has a paws icon
< 1673819462 789732 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, is that why lemmings had that button
< 1673819583 898347 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1673820334 904142 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, so now I just have to trade until I get a blueprint
< 1673820411 284576 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I got spice
< 1673820415 465559 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :from trade
< 1673820871 864820 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I wonder if I should invest in a temple
< 1673821225 992526 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I probably should.
< 1673821496 686856 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :do trading posts make it more likely to get rare resources from trade?
< 1673821606 384181 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :heck, so I need 1 blueprint to build the (first) Steamworks, and 5 more blueprints to research High Pressure Engine
< 1673821637 901969 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also lots of more manuscripts
< 1673822005 416202 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think tradeposts affect the blueprint or spice success rate, or the blueprint amount (it seems to always stay at 1), but the trading efficiency they boost might give you more spice per trade.
< 1673822116 727829 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I bought a temple and will buy a few more amphitheatres
< 1673822135 133903 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :then I'll go grind all the culture and fur and science that I need for Theology
< 1673822169 116495 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm leaving the trade for blueprint to after that
< 1673822209 36702 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Theology might open up something new of course
< 1673822249 70981 :joast!~rick@cpe-98-146-180-36.natnow.res.rr.com JOIN #esolangs joast :purple
< 1673822494 610108 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :current stats: 17 kittens in village. year 170. buildings: 77 catnip field, 32 pasture, 30 aqueduct, 5 hut, 7 log house, 37 library, 29 academy, 11 barn, 27 warehouse, 30 mine, 27 lumber mill, 0 steamworks, 17 smelter, 8 amphitheatre, 1 temple, 31 workshop, 4 tradepost, 12 unic. pasture. I have no policies, all science before Theology, many workshop updates where the missing ones shown are: Titanium 
< 1673822500 606388 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :barns (needs titanium), Ironwood huts (needs much more science storage), Workshop automation (I'll be able to get this soon enough but currently have no need of it), High pressure engine (needs 5 blueprints).
< 1673822572 533366 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, now I need to create 19 more manuscripts for Theology. the craft productivity bonus from the 31 workshops will help here.
< 1673822649 110777 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://zem.fi/tmp/buildings.png but it's of course heavily spoilerrific.
< 1673822677 678468 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, it's a cold winter going on in the screenshot.
< 1673822733 481341 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, those are nice hard numbers
< 1673822751 183827 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :eh, cold winters aren't that har
< 1673822754 602841 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :aren't that rare
< 1673822780 142472 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, your previous answer wasn't satisfying, so let's try again. compared to typical lions, how dangerous is a pack of carillions?
< 1673822780 866793 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: we could add a test ( or a hash table using its location in memory is found to be effective. for bipolar disorder they've used even bigger doses.
< 1673822823 566443 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a pub hereabouts called The Cat's Back, just noticed recently while walking past it their upstairs function room is called The Lion's Den.
< 1673822842 598485 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The thing about The Cat's Back, though, is that despite the name, they don't have a pub cat.
< 1673822856 929164 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In fact I think they advertise themselves as dog-friendly.
< 1673822864 688634 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the cat has them instead?
< 1673822866 217068 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh...
< 1673822872 790377 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Though I guess that's fair enough, some cats are friendly to dogs.)
< 1673822935 486056 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh heck this is the annoying part, I have to click on the send 8 hunters button and then the buy all parchments button about every minute, because with all 17 kittens hunting, the 825 cat power fills up in like 70 seconds
< 1673822955 636885 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean I could parallelize it so half of the cats research science, so it's self-inflicted annoyance
< 1673823101 167731 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The building that kind-of obsoletes hunting (though I think you still get a better (furs+ivory)/catpower efficiency from hunting, at least to start with) is three science updates away from Theology, if you go straight there (of course you can't tell in advance the direction).
< 1673823124 745435 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait, I can stop, I have enough parchment
< 1673823135 157088 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've had enough parchment for a while in fact
< 1673823138 992963 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just wasn't paying attention
< 1673823153 240494 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I made 55 extra
< 1673823172 338618 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :now I just have to wait for the culture, which is kind of slow 
< 1673823189 438807 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh right, I should buy extra temples then
< 1673823202 806837 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or... hmm
< 1673823213 652276 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure if a second one would help
< 1673823386 385777 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :meh, it's worth for the long term anyway, I'll get a second temple
< 1673823416 392302 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity
< 1673824126 180061 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, so I got a second temple, but of course since I spent half my manuscripts, I need to wait just as much for the culture until I get theology
< 1673824298 91708 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, so I'm waiting for culture, and in the meantime I'll try the trade randomness
< 1673824308 729318 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Griffins hate you for no reason" typical
< 1673824321 918613 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least they didn't *kill* any of my envoy
< 1673824403 805944 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you trade with a friendly race, sometimes they're all "X think your kittens are adorable".
< 1673824425 431316 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which I can identify with.
< 1673824644 172113 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1673824966 943480 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they gave me spice again
< 1673825068 481022 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll try a Tempus Fugit
< 1673825111 365637 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :er I don't understand
< 1673825117 476970 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :where do I see the status of the Temus Fugit?
< 1673825143 100036 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah
< 1673825155 738881 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have to click on the on/off button, not the Temus Fugit button
< 1673825318 173166 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. It collects temporal flux when you've paused the game, and then you can spend it to effectively speed up time (although I think it's maybe just a production bonus?) to get some of that back.
< 1673825334 607538 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, just the UI is confusing
< 1673825375 502619 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :BLUEPRINT!
< 1673825412 660744 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a different offline progression thing that's toggleable from the options menu, which I've only read about, not turned on, since I've pretty much just kept the game running since I learned of it.
< 1673825423 297414 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I got a blueprint, so I'll be able to build the steamworks. I'm definitely going for Theology irst though
< 1673825513 422317 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But AIUI when the offline progression is turned on, when you get back to the game from it being paused or closed, you'll get the regular resource production you've "missed" (up to a cap).
< 1673825536 819397 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Though I don't know if it applies to craftable stuff; if not, it's kind of pointless, since everything would probably just hit the resource caps.
< 1673825793 483759 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also hey look, Ziggurat is now revealed
< 1673825806 338827 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it also costs a blueprint
< 1673825882 233424 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and now the Griffins give me a second blueprint
< 1673825897 101015 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they also cheated me out of the iron that we agreed on several times, but I don't care, I don't need iron right now
< 1673825925 307367 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't even bother to send envoys in the months when they give the most iron
< 1673826065 65406 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Your kittens return empty-pawed"
< 1673826079 457277 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :at one point they also gave me spice only with no iron
< 1673826092 361544 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also I'll get Theology in two minutes
< 1673826376 502757 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I got Theology. my temple now produces faith.
< 1673826405 732969 :b_jonas!~x@adsl-89-134-28-158.monradsl.monornet.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also there's a religion tab with a "Praise the sun!" button