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But... looking at my game... I do think 18 is low for where I think b_jonas is at (a bit ahead of me) 18:59:02 Year 35 here. 19:00:17 Basically I decided that I'll never run out of fur again. 19:00:27 So I can add more kittens based on that. 19:01:10 I found a new civilization! 19:01:51 Yay 19:02:08 but they want the tribute in ivory, that's not good business 19:02:16 I can't, not with 800 max cat power. :) 19:02:16 beep boop hi im here again 19:02:20 after months 19:10:05 [[Braindead]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106150&oldid=105076 * Leothetechguy * (-409) made this readable (no offense) 19:13:50 [[Braindead]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106151&oldid=106150 * Leothetechguy * (-111) more readability improvements 19:44:51 int-e: but as a general rule more kittens is better, so I find it odd to be selling huts :p 19:45:09 -!- Joao003 has quit (Quit: Client closed). 19:45:19 (with the exception of at the very beginning when happiness is a bit of a problem) 19:46:45 -!- Lymia has quit (Quit: zzzz <3). 19:50:18 -!- Lymia has joined. 19:51:07 FireFly: happiness is a problem. even food is still a problem. 19:51:21 manageable, but it needs to be managed :P 19:52:31 -31/s in winter (not cold). 19:55:16 ok, I now have enough science storage for Astronomy, but science storage is just half the problem. it costs 65 manuscripts. I need to figure out how Printing Press works. 19:55:22 well, it's easier to manage with more farmers since they produce strictly more catnip than they consume :p 19:56:20 I only have two farmers... better things to do :P 19:56:40 spring is +42/s, fwiw. (also not cold) 19:56:52 so it balances with some food to spare. 19:57:02 I keep clicking on Priest by mistake because I'm so used to Miner being the last one in the list of jobs 19:57:05 I mean, food shouldn't hinder getting more kittens since you can always assign more farmers 19:57:16 happiness is more of a hindrance in that case I think 19:58:00 right 19:58:22 I need a fifth blueprint from the darned Griffons 19:58:41 well, sixth, I spent one to build the steamworks 19:58:44 amphitheatres are expensive (I have 3); religion is a distant dream 19:59:05 I have 9 amphitheatres 19:59:07 "As a general rule, more kittens is better." Not limited to the game. 19:59:37 p 19:59:39 :p* 19:59:40 beware of the tribbles effect 19:59:50 aka cute overload 20:01:31 Hmm, I think I'm capped on ivory rather than the other thing for... those things that take ivory and the other thing to build. 20:02:35 Ah I see the Deep Mining flavor text. 20:02:38 `canary 20:02:39 canary? No such file or directory 20:02:51 `? canary 20:02:53 A canary is a small bright yellow chicken that dwells in deep caves. Unlike bats, canaries are oriented right way up, unless they're pining for the fjords. 20:03:10 I want to research Hihg pressure engine. It needs 5 blueprints, and I already have 4, so I have to keep trading with the gryphons until they give me a fifth one 20:03:22 `cat canary 20:03:23 cat: canary: No such file or directory 20:03:28 `cat /hackenv/canary 20:03:29 Why are you taking Polly down into the mine? Polly's a parrot, not a canary! And where's my cracker? 20:03:41 I guess the working directory change ruined that a little. 20:03:51 then I'll have to figure out how the Printing press works, because Astronomy needs a ton of manuscripts 20:04:05 heh 20:04:46 ``` cp -vi /hackenv/canary . 20:04:47 ​'/hackenv/canary' -> './canary' 20:04:50 `cat canary 20:04:51 Why are you taking Polly down into the mine? Polly's a parrot, not a canary! And where's my cracker? 20:05:25 Griffins still hate me 20:05:38 I have... 1.36 manuscripts. Should've waited with crafting it. 20:06:05 cold winter. -38/s 20:06:23 Griffins turned neutral earlier than the other hateful race. Not sure if they ever turn friendly, though. Could be neutral is as good as it gets. 20:06:24 I did manage to handcraft enough manuscripts for the Theology science and two temples 20:06:41 I have 176... but I need 550 z.z 20:07:13 I have 546.27K, but I don't think I can really gift them to anyone. 20:07:30 alas :p 20:08:16 they gave me spice 20:08:35 Cut off your nose to spice your face. No, that's not exactly how the saying goes. 20:09:03 just spice, not the iron that we agreed on. not that I need iron, but still, they're always like this 20:09:13 yes indeed 20:10:29 Since I don't know exactly what I'd need out of manuscript/compendium/blueprint, I've got it wired roughly so that I'm stockpiling twice as many manuscripts as I have compendia, and 100x as many compendia as I have blueprints, kind of vaguely except not really in line with their crafting ratios. 20:11:16 -!- Joao003 has joined. 20:12:20 -!- jix has quit (*.net *.split). 20:13:03 -!- jix has joined. 20:13:22 found a third civilization: lizards, friendly, and ask for minerals, which is more reasonable than asking for ivory 20:13:41 should I see if they have blueprints or should I stick to the Griffins? 20:14:06 I think they all have just as much blueprints. 20:14:24 Except for the hate-you-for-no-reason aspect. 20:14:27 I'll try the lizards then, they're friendly 20:15:00 I has coal 20:15:54 (Well, a little bit) 20:17:05 "Lizards think your kittens are adorable" 20:21:09 Oof, I think it's time to genafpraq, nqber naq cenvfr, naq jurer V nz pheeragyl vg'f nyjnlf dhvgr n qebc va cebqhpgvivgl sbe n juvyr. Pheeragyl ng +1075% fbyne eribyhgvba, naq jvgu n 56X snvgu pnc V guvax gung'yy qebc gb yvxr 150%, snpgbevat va gur rkcrpgrq cenvfr obahf. 20:21:15 It's always a shame when a number goes down. 20:21:25 I guess I'll go for some more amphitheatres next 20:22:39 Hmm, my monitoring says the wiki is down. 20:22:56 "Host esolangs.org not found: 2(SERVFAIL)" 20:23:03 Must be some kind of a DNS thing. 20:23:37 Works from this other server, so maybe just for my local network then. 20:24:55 esolangs.org has address 46.43.2.108 20:25:33 Yeah. Following the chain with dig works from home too, so I suspect it's just dnsmasq on the router or something. 20:26:17 Odd that it's just esolangs.org so far, though. 20:26:27 I wonder if it caches negative results or something. 20:26:34 I think DNS does do that. 20:33:47 I got the blueprint! I have high pressure engine now 20:34:17 ok, so time to figure out how the steamworks printing manuscript works 20:36:37 ok, so I just enable steam works, it reduces the coal production of mines, and produces manuscripts with a fixed speed? 20:36:58 I mean it does also say that it will be able to do more things from later upgrades 20:37:12 also "Energy production: 1Wt", I don't know what that is 20:38:24 Yeah. You don't have to worry about your total energy production until you find something that actually *consumes* energy. 20:38:32 sure, but what is Wt 20:38:37 cat watts? 20:39:30 I think it's canonically just watts. Not sure what the 't' is doing there. 20:39:32 sharks! (new civilization discovered. I figured I'd explore more. they want iron as tribute, that's good. 20:40:17 well, this is a very slow way to produce manuscripts. I guess I'm supposed to build multiple steamworks to speed it up. 20:40:52 -!- Joao003 has left (Leaving). 20:41:21 hmm, I have enough science to research Ironwood Huts, but that seems a completely useless workshop ugprade 20:41:36 I think the hut upgrades are some of the most powerful ones :p 20:42:01 not when I have very few kittens and sold all my huts 20:42:03 but I find the difference in approach interesting 20:42:06 yeah indeed 20:43:07 I might research it anyway in case it unlocks something, but I think workshop upgrades usually don't do that 20:43:26 sometimes I think there's upgrades as prerequisites for others, but more later on 20:43:39 "Your explorers failed to find anyone. *** Maybe you should try to reach other continents." 20:44:25 [[CrashFunge]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=106152&oldid=45704 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+106) Categories 20:44:36 Yeah, those exploration hints are _really_ vague. 20:45:01 Something something Brainfuck something something Malbolge something something Befunge something something. 20:45:03 that's concrete enough. it means I'll need to research ships good enough to cross the atlantic 20:47:27 I didn't think I'd ever say this... but I have too much science. 20:47:54 I've had enough science for a while, it's science storage that was a problem 20:51:39 I have enough science, I just need another hour's worth of culture for manuscripts.. 20:53:39 by the way, I got two new reigious abilities revealed 20:53:55 ooh, this is useful 20:54:37 or religious upgrades, I'm not sure 21:13:27 -!- bgs has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:17:01 Well, hello, lizards! 21:20:09 though wood for minerals isn't the greatest trade for me... 21:21:34 int-e: consider it a trade for the occasional blueprint and spice. the mineral tribute is not too relevant. 21:22:26 ok, so I have to grind this Solar chant thing so that my priests can work faster 21:23:07 b_jonas: sure 21:23:28 But for the stuff I'm building, minerals are the bottleneck. 21:28:26 ah no 21:28:35 its price is growing up very quickly 21:29:03 and Solar chant is a one-time upgrade apparently 21:32:12 It kind of is and isn't, which is why IIRC it shows a cost even after being bought. 21:36:06 -!- Lord_of_Life has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:36:30 -!- Lord_of_Life has joined. 21:43:11 what... sharks! 21:44:17 int-e: yep, I just mentioned them above 21:50:30 -!- wpa has joined. 22:13:36 sharks! 22:19:23 Sharks! 22:19:30 fungot, Sharks! 22:19:31 b_jonas: these days, there are several problems in xemacs that are hard to find a widget to focus on using shift reset in a different order 22:19:58 sorry? 22:24:51 I'll run out of culture 22:28:15 Year 51 snapshot: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/kittens-buildings3.png 22:28:29 I have 9 Amphitheatres. I need more. 22:30:02 I have 9 Amphitheatres too 22:30:39 but I also have 2 Temples, those help a lot 22:30:49 I have 15 amphis 22:30:59 b_jonas: temples are still quite far away 22:30:59 it's enough for my 60 kitties 22:31:34 2h worth of culture in manuscripts, if I focus on the temple. 22:31:43 9 amphitheatres feels like a good start 22:32:28 But there are other sinks for culture too. It'll be a while. 22:32:42 but the temple produces a lot more culture 22:32:53 I suspect it's worth 2h worth of culture 22:35:15 It'll be shorter if I get more amphitheatres :P 22:36:13 Anyway, it's still not an idle game so that'll be it for me for today. 22:38:43 Astronomy! 22:38:49 I just researched Astronomy 22:39:26 you can count your lucky stars 22:40:22 and of course the next Science tech that it unlocks requires even more science storage capacity. 22:40:42 heck, the building that this unlocks is expensive 22:41:08 50 scaffolds? where will I get 50 scaffolds? 22:41:12 I've built 121 of them so far. 22:41:23 b_jonas: from your heavily upgraded workshop 22:41:52 The 122nd would cost 267480 scaffolds. 22:41:57 (the bonus applies in both steps, wood -> beams -> scaffolds) 22:42:46 int-e: I have 31 workshops. I can't build more right now because of my minerals storage limit. and I can't build more barns because of the wood storage limit, so I need to build a lot of warehouses to break through this 22:43:13 I see 22:44:15 Firefly is probably right and I'll have to dramatically increase my kitten population so I can get more income of everything and build buildings faster 22:45:41 also there's now a green greek letter psi in the calendar line with the tooltip "Umbra (Year 2)" 22:48:35 I'm not in a point yet where those would be more than decorative, but it's Redmoon here now. 22:50:51 let me see if I can get Solar Chant a second time. it says "(complete)" but also gives a higher price than the first time which is suspicious 22:57:51 nope. I can't research it again, despite that I have enough faith now. 22:58:33 -!- bgs has joined. 22:58:43 I revealed a third religious upgrade, but it requires a third temple or something 23:00:13 -!- chiselfu1e has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:00:31 -!- chiselfuse has joined. 23:04:31 and now it's a purple greek small letter psi 23:36:13 -!- chiselfuse has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 23:53:45 -!- chiselfuse has joined.