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01:37:30 <esolangs> [[Minigolf]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=108282 * D * (+2845) Created page with "{{lowercase}} '''minigolf''' is a tiny stack-based language inspired by [[Vyxal]]'s corpus. Programs can be quite long compared to modern golfing languages due to its extremely limited set of builtins, but they tend to be shorter compared to practical languages. Besides cons
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01:41:16 <esolangs> [[Minigolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=108285&oldid=108284 * D * (+120) Just copy all my CGCC programs over here
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04:17:19 <example99> hi
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05:06:45 <Sgeo> "lost in the dark" in reference to Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is only about the game, right?
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12:02:53 <river> I do like the Aperiodic monotile
12:02:58 <river> but it's really 2 tiles
12:03:13 <river> is a single tile - not including its flip.. possible?
12:07:10 <FireFly> apparently it's conventional to disregard mirror symmetry in that problem
12:07:23 <FireFly> but yeah, I guess the question without relying on mirroring is still open
12:09:00 <river> the kites and darts were symmetrical hm
12:09:48 <b_jonas> did you know that the C++ standard is over 1800 pages long, whereas the Nomenclature of Organic Chemistry: IUPAC Recommendations and Preferred Names 2013 https://iupac.org/what-we-do/books/bluebook/ is a mere 1160 pages long? IUPAC naming is no longer the programming langauge with the longest specs.
12:11:20 <b_jonas> also does anyone happen to know if there's a study of the computational complexity of determining the IUPAC preferred name for an inorganic compound? is it merely NP-complete or is it worse?
12:13:25 <b_jonas> hmm, how long would be a book showing the Oracle texts of all Magic: the Gathering cards if printed in similar large font as the IUPAC and C++ standards?
12:18:27 <int-e> you also have to specify a page size
12:20:46 <b_jonas> roughly A4, like those standards
12:20:54 <b_jonas> obviously you have lots of freedom in the format
12:23:39 <b_jonas> there are about 28_000 M:tG cards now, and if you wanted to print them very compactly, without newlines and in two columns like in a dictionary, but with a normal font size unlike a dictionary, then I think you'd have an order of magnitude of 25 per page.
12:24:09 <b_jonas> so that would be the same order of magnitude of length of standard as C++ or IUPAC actually
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12:30:35 <b_jonas> I guess I should first ask the more important question, which is what is the computational complexity of interpreting an IUPAC organic chemistry name
12:31:01 <b_jonas> since there are some rules that can make it hard to determine what the location numbers refer to
12:36:10 <esolangs> [[InputSet]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=108299 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+2300) Created page with "'''InputSet''' is an esolang by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] inspired by [[Wheat]]. ==Specification== Memory consists of variables which contain arbitrary long strings. On the start of the program all of them are set to empty string <code>a</code>, <code>b</code> a
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13:01:04 <fizzie> C is sometimes said to have a nice, small, simple standard, but the latest C23 draft (N3096) is 761 pages already.
13:01:43 <int-e> The K&R book is palatable.
13:01:45 <int-e> :-P
13:02:51 <int-e> And of course those 761 pages are significantly shorter than the C++ standard.
13:04:35 <esolangs> [[InputSet]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=108300&oldid=108299 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+76)
13:04:59 <fizzie> My benchmark for a long document is the Intel SDM ("Intelⓡ 64 and IA-32 Architectures Software Developer's Manual, Combined Volumes: 1, 2A, 2B, 2C, 2D, 3A, 3B, 3C, 3D, and 4"), which is 5062 pages, but may not qualify as a programming language, or even a single thing since it combines several volumes.
13:07:36 <int-e> Hmm I forgot, how much of that is just instructions?
13:07:51 <fizzie> The 2[ABCD] volumes are the instruction listings.
13:08:15 <shachaf> How much of the C draft is specifying the language vs. the standard library?
13:08:17 <fizzie> Starting at page 487 and ending at page 2994, so 2508 pages.
13:08:58 <int-e> I have a 2019 copy with 4922 pages. Ooph, that growth rate.
13:09:07 <int-e> Is this another instance of Moore's law?
13:10:10 <shachaf> The 8086 manual is a little over 200 pages.
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13:10:38 <fizzie> For C, chapter 7 ("Library") is 266 pages, and chapter 6 ("Language") is 156 pages, though really chapter 5 ("Environment"), 24 pages, is pretty much about the language too.
13:11:02 <fizzie> The annexes all together are 219 pages.
13:11:09 <example99> yea
13:11:37 <example99> moore's law a-gain
13:12:17 <fizzie> The Zilog Z80 Family CPU User Manual is 308 pages; comparable to 8086; remembered it was shorter.
13:12:38 <example99> ok
13:12:57 <fizzie> It's mostly instruction listings (214 pages).
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13:15:27 <example99> oh an edit
13:15:36 <example99> (+esolangs)
13:16:27 <b_jonas> fizzie: oh! you have a point, the x86_64 manual does qualify, and it's longer
13:18:33 <b_jonas> fizzie: volume 2A, 2B, 2C, 2D are the instruction listings, plus there's sometimes a separate thin document for instructions planned in future CPUs
13:19:16 <b_jonas> the whole 1..4 combined volumes is almost 5000 pages, and that's without the separate optimization manual
13:19:35 <fizzie> It's over 5000 pages already.
13:19:42 <fizzie> (We did go over the numbers.)
13:20:23 <int-e> Hmm, I misread those numbers somehow. So the 2019 version is about the same size. Phew.
13:20:32 <int-e> About half of that is instruction descriptions.
13:20:36 <int-e> (volume 2)
13:20:55 <esolangs> [[EsoInterpreters]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=108303&oldid=108086 * ChuckEsoteric08 * (+425) Added BCT interpreter in InputSet
13:21:14 <b_jonas> the glibc manual is a mere 1200 pages by the way
13:21:28 <b_jonas> there are probably longer software library manuals than that
13:23:38 <int-e> I suppose you could take the M(icrosoft)DN contents and try to squeeze it into books.
13:24:25 <fizzie> Isn't it M(icro)S(oft)DN, rather?
13:24:30 <fizzie> I had a bunch of TI manuals left around for a DSP course at the university, and put together they'd amount to something long, but individually they're not so big, the longest of these ("TMS320C55x DSP Peripherals Reference Guide") is merely 717 pages.
13:25:10 <int-e> fizzie: So it is...
13:25:30 <int-e> At some point I got it confused with the Mozilla one.
13:27:08 <fizzie> The "TMS320C54x DSP Reference Set", if combined like the Intel one, might be big too. But I only have it as separate volumes. "Volume 1: CPU and Peripherals" is 507 pages; "Volume 2: Mnemonic Instruction Set" is 338; and "Volume 5: Enhanced Peripherals" is 278. (I don't have volumes 3 or 4, and there might be more after 5.)
13:27:27 <fizzie> All these PDFs proudly proclaim on their cover page that they're "printed with soy ink".
13:27:35 <fizzie> And "printed on recycled paper".
13:27:58 <fizzie> It's probably illegal to print the cover page on anything else, since then it would be lying.
13:28:44 <fizzie> Almost mistyped volume 5 as "Enchanted Peripherals".
13:29:50 <int-e> fizzie: life hack: print a range of pages that excludes the cover page; save some paper ;-)
13:29:59 <int-e> (I abhor the term "life hack")
13:30:39 <b_jonas> just use the same method as the time traveler's grammar guide from HHGG
13:31:02 <int-e> ah but how do you know which are the parts that nobody reads?
13:31:29 <fizzie> Can I claim the manual is "stored on recycled bytes" if I was using that disk space for something else before?
13:31:34 <int-e> (Make an ebook first, I guess.)
13:31:57 <int-e> fizzie: sure, just don't burn it to CD-ROM.
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14:26:37 <b_jonas> fizzie: yeah, distribute it on one of these DRMed video streaming services where the user isn't allowed to store the data on their computer for longer than a minute and has to individually download each page through net, then you can definitely claim recycled bits on the client side (and only a few copies on server side)
14:26:59 <b_jonas> plus make it like the streaming services so you serve the book only for nine months after which you take it down and reuse the space for a new book
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17:11:05 <river> suppose you had a time travel machine that consumed a key per use
17:11:26 <river> your opponent has N keys and you have M > N keys, how can you defeat your opponent?
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18:41:16 <zzo38> If printing the Oracle texts for Magic: the Gathering cards, how many columns, and abbreviations, will reminder text and/or rulings be included, will legality be included (and if so, which ones), etc? And, is there some ways to do that errata can be made to only replace some pages?
19:06:40 <int-e> hah
19:06:55 <int-e> will you include blank pages so that you can write in important rulings...
19:44:45 <b_jonas> fungot, are llamas farm animals?
19:44:45 <fungot> b_jonas: there are pattern matchers for scheme out there?
20:10:38 <zzo38> Or if the space in the margin is enough, then you can write your own notes in the margin, I suppose.
20:11:52 <b_jonas> fungot, is milquetoast made by toasting milk or by milking toast?
20:11:53 <fungot> b_jonas: prototype of the 2nd part is se lazy k code for no discernable reason. parens are actually helping for indentation and editing scheme, removing parens makes it harder for the user
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