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00:36:01 <esolangs> [[Fuck-brain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111915&oldid=111910 * None1 * (+12) /* Accumulator */
00:38:12 <esolangs> [[Fuck-brain]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111916&oldid=111915 * None1 * (+0) /* Example Prograns */
00:40:23 <esolangs> [[.fuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=111917 * None1 * (+21) Redirected page to [[Dotfuck]]
00:42:38 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111918&oldid=111903 * None1 * (+0) /* Execution */
00:42:52 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111919&oldid=111918 * None1 * (+1) /* Execution */
00:44:42 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111920&oldid=111919 * None1 * (+20) /* Why is it brain-exploding */
00:53:00 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=111921 * None1 * (+267) Created page with "C-Shop is an esolang created by [[User:None1]], it has nothing to do with the non-esoteric language C# except that they have similar pronouciation. ==Syntax== Every line in C-Shop can be on of these: Welcome to C-Shop This must be the first line of the program."
01:01:51 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111922&oldid=111921 * None1 * (+258) /* Syntax */
01:04:22 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111923&oldid=111922 * None1 * (+63)
01:07:11 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111924&oldid=111923 * None1 * (+67) /* Syntax */
01:13:04 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111925&oldid=111924 * None1 * (+82)
01:15:00 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111926&oldid=111925 * None1 * (+120)
01:25:05 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111927&oldid=111926 * None1 * (+1) /* Syntax */
01:28:04 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111928&oldid=111927 * None1 * (+79) /* Syntax */
01:28:17 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111929&oldid=111928 * None1 * (+0)
01:28:31 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111930&oldid=111929 * None1 * (+0)
01:29:04 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111931&oldid=111930 * None1 * (-79) /* Syntax */
01:32:06 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111932&oldid=111931 * None1 * (+201)
01:32:23 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111933&oldid=111932 * None1 * (+0) /* One Time Cat */
01:33:28 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111934&oldid=111933 * None1 * (+79) /* One Time Cat */
01:41:53 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111935&oldid=111934 * None1 * (+848) /* Example Programs */
01:47:29 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111936&oldid=111935 * None1 * (+97)
01:48:05 <esolangs> [[Esolang Simply Created To Annoy People Who Dislike Scratch]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=111937 * AnotherTakenName * (+3877) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=Esolang Simply Created To Annoy People Who Dislike Scratch |author=[[User:AnotherTakenName|AnotherTakenName]] |year=[[:Category:2023|2023]] |majorimpl=[https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/
01:48:28 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111938&oldid=111909 * None1 * (+60)
01:49:18 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111939&oldid=111880 * None1 * (+13) /* C */
01:49:55 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111940&oldid=111936 * None1 * (+0) /* Hello World */
01:51:27 <esolangs> [[Crop]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111941&oldid=111810 * None1 * (+0) /* Example Programs */
01:51:47 <esolangs> [[Esolang Simply Created To Annoy People Who Dislike Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111942&oldid=111937 * AnotherTakenName * (+27)
01:53:01 <esolangs> [[ESCTAPWDS]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=111943 * AnotherTakenName * (+83) Redirected page to [[Esolang Simply Created To Annoy People Who Dislike Scratch]]
01:57:18 <esolangs> [[Esolang Simply Created To Annoy People Who Dislike Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111944&oldid=111942 * AnotherTakenName * (+1) /* Cat 2 */
01:59:15 <esolangs> [[Esolang Simply Created To Annoy People Who Dislike Scratch]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111945&oldid=111944 * AnotherTakenName * (-7) /* Cat 1 */
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02:23:31 <esolangs> [[Scratch is dumb]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=111946 * None1 * (+1301) Created page with "Scratch is dumb is an esolang made by [[User:None1]], it is made to response to the person who invented the esolang [[Esolang Simply Created To Annoy People Who Dislike Scratch]], who want to annoy people who dislike scratch. This esolang will tell you that Scratc
02:24:52 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111947&oldid=111938 * None1 * (+74)
02:29:07 <esolangs> [[Scratch is dumb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111948&oldid=111946 * None1 * (+380) /* Example Programs */
02:29:44 <esolangs> [[Scratch is dumb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111949&oldid=111948 * None1 * (+10) /* Hello World */ wrap
02:30:13 <esolangs> [[Scratch is dumb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111950&oldid=111949 * None1 * (+12) /* Hello World */ multiline code
02:31:09 <esolangs> [[Language list]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111951&oldid=111939 * None1 * (+22) /* S */
02:32:07 <esolangs> [[Scratch is dumb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111952&oldid=111950 * None1 * (+53)
02:35:06 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (N-Z)]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111953&oldid=111799 * None1 * (+426) Added Scratch is dumb to hello world programs list
02:37:34 <esolangs> [[Scratch is dumb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111954&oldid=111952 * None1 * (+121)
02:39:04 <esolangs> [[Scratch is dumb]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111955&oldid=111954 * None1 * (+91)
03:00:33 <esolangs> [[You can without a brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111956&oldid=111751 * D * (+12)
03:01:45 <esolangs> [[You can without a brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111957&oldid=111956 * D * (-12) /* See also */
03:05:25 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111958&oldid=111920 * D * (+43)
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07:32:24 <esolangs> [[Talk:I/D machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111959&oldid=111452 * Pro465 * (+458) /* I cant see why this is turing complete */ clarify
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09:22:29 <esolangs> [[Talk:I/D machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111960&oldid=111959 * Hakerh400 * (+340)
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11:34:24 <esolangs> [[ForWhile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111961&oldid=111153 * Bsoelch * (+75) Update language specification
11:37:00 <esolangs> [[ForWhile]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111962&oldid=111961 * Bsoelch * (+84) add online interpreter
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12:11:58 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111963&oldid=111958 * None1 * (+148) /* Execution */ .fuck has no decrement.
12:14:21 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111964&oldid=111963 * None1 * (+56) /* Turing completeness */
12:14:24 <int-e> Yay I still know how to make a rocket (shapez.io)
12:17:00 <int-e> (not very efficiently but who cares)
12:18:16 <esolangs> [[Scratch is dumb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111965&oldid=111955 * None1 * (-13) /* Introduction */ redundant words
12:19:52 <esolangs> [[Scratch is dumb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111966&oldid=111965 * None1 * (+65) /* Turing completeness */
12:20:23 <esolangs> [[Scratch is dumb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111967&oldid=111966 * None1 * (+1) Third person
12:21:21 <esolangs> [[Scratch is dumb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111968&oldid=111967 * None1 * (+16) 2023
12:21:44 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111969&oldid=111964 * None1 * (+18)
12:23:33 <b_jonas> int-e: are you doing a fresh playthrough or just adding more lanes into your big factory?
12:23:58 <b_jonas> or cleaning up the factory perhaps
12:24:34 <int-e> b_jonas: I started from scratch because I got the game on steam and now I'm collecting achievements (without try-harding, just seeing what I can get from a single playthrough). Also it had been 10 months since I touched it.
12:25:19 <b_jonas> I see
12:25:35 <int-e> (I got it on steam for the puzzle DLC if you remember. Which... is okay, but not something one must get.)
12:30:17 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111970&oldid=111969 * None1 * (+2322) /* Why is it brain-exploding */ Replace with an exact number generated by Python on my laptop, and figured out that you DO need 2^2000+ dots because dotfuck has no decrement.
12:31:00 <int-e> I'm not sure whether I'll go beyond a single factory.. certainly no more than 4.
12:31:18 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111971&oldid=111970 * None1 * (+113)
12:31:57 <int-e> (I don't get achievements if I use a savegame that used a mod, so I'll have to rebuild the slice maker from scratch)
12:32:14 <int-e> (though I can obviously resuse the design)
12:33:36 <int-e> (4 factories is a sweet spot for the overall layout, because you can have a 4-fold rotational symmetry easily)
12:35:52 <int-e> If I find some extra motivation I might finish up https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-v5x6-wip.png to see whether it achieves the, was it 40 seconds or 30 seconds per level that is hard? at 10x speed.
12:36:47 <int-e> (it's funny; it's really only missing the control logic but somehow I ran out of steam on the last mile)
12:37:49 <int-e> Ultimately the fact that the 8-factory design I had basically finished didn't run at 60 fps really killed the drive.
12:38:41 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111972&oldid=111971 * None1 * (+336) /* Why is it brain-exploding */
12:40:09 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111973&oldid=111972 * None1 * (+1) /* Why is it brain-exploding */ typo
12:46:55 <esolangs> [[Dotfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111974&oldid=111973 * None1 * (-161) /* Why is it brain-exploding */ Not that many, but still a crazy number!
13:23:30 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111975&oldid=111947 * None1 * (-1) No s.
13:31:13 <esolangs> [[]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=111976 * None1 * (+158) Created page with " is an esolang created by [[User:None1]], is is the same as [[]], but all the emojis are replaced with Chinese characters, making it easier to type."
13:33:32 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111977&oldid=111976 * None1 * (+225)
13:33:41 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111978&oldid=111977 * None1 * (+1) /* =Cat Program */
13:33:58 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111979&oldid=111978 * None1 * (+0) typo
13:34:32 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111980&oldid=111979 * None1 * (+37) /* Example Programs */
13:35:01 <esolangs> [[]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111981&oldid=111980 * None1 * (+2) /* Hello World */ quotes
13:36:03 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111982&oldid=111951 * None1 * (+10) /* Non-alphabetic */ Added [[]] to language list
13:36:27 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111983&oldid=111981 * None1 * (+10)
13:39:14 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111984&oldid=111975 * None1 * (+82) Added to user page
13:39:40 <esolangs> [[User:None1]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111985&oldid=111984 * None1 * (+3) fixed link
13:45:10 <esolangs> [[Chicken]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111986&oldid=79678 * None1 * (+29) See also
13:46:55 <esolangs> [[Talk:I/D machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111987&oldid=111960 * Yetyetty1234567890 * (+58) /* I cant see why this is turing complete */
13:47:51 <esolangs> [[Talk:I/D machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111988&oldid=111987 * Yetyetty1234567890 * (+69) /* I cant see why this is turing complete */
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14:22:16 <esolangs> [[Talk:I/D machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111989&oldid=111988 * Hakerh400 * (+1069)
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14:39:10 <esolangs> [[Talk:I/D machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111990&oldid=111989 * Pro465 * (+269) /* I cant see why this is turing complete */ request clarification
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14:47:34 <esolangs> [[Two-instruction madness!]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111991&oldid=111509 * Yetyetty1234567890 * (-1) /* Infinite loop */
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15:36:20 <esolangs> [[C-Shop]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111992&oldid=111940 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+68) Categories
15:37:45 <esolangs> [[Scratch is dumb]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111993&oldid=111968 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+107) /* Turing completeness */ categories
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15:42:36 <esolangs> [[Talk:I/D machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111994&oldid=111990 * Hakerh400 * (+1117)
16:22:40 <esolangs> [[Talk:Arithmetic]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111995&oldid=111912 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+3774) /* Can you explain the interpreter a bit */ reply
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16:53:08 <fizzie> Bah, now the washing machine is dead. :/
16:56:42 <fizzie> Outlet works (with a phone charger), and fuse in the plug is still good, so I guess it's just kaput.
17:00:50 <fizzie> Manufacturer charges £117/visit post-warranty, even if they can't fix it or if it's "beyond economic repair". Plus replacement parts, of course.
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17:08:54 <fizzie> It's so annoying when it's probably some moderately small thing to repair (like swapping a board or a transformer or whatever), but the cost is the same order of magnitude as just replacing it.
17:10:37 <b_jonas> ouch
17:13:46 <b_jonas> how old is the washing machine?
17:16:59 <fizzie> It's about 4.5 years old, with a 2-year warranty period.
17:17:16 <fizzie> Kind of would like these things to last for closer to 10 years rather than 5.
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17:29:00 <b_jonas> yeah, they definitely shouldn't die in 4.5 years
17:29:16 <b_jonas> my washing machine is over ten years old now and works fine
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17:47:23 <impomatic> Does anyone know how I can get in touch with the creator of Esowar? https://esolangs.org/wiki/Esowar
17:48:17 <ais523> Oorby used to be a regular here, but they haven't been here in a while
17:48:20 <ais523> * Orby
17:48:21 <impomatic> I'd like to get a copy of the code. It's no longer online :-(
17:51:57 <ais523> it shouldn't be that hard to re-implement, it's basically a cross between BF and Core Wars
17:55:35 <impomatic> I know, but would be nice to have the original and any example programs.
17:56:36 <ais523> you could try using https://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Orby to email the email address the wiki has on file
17:56:50 <ais523> (assuming there is one – I can't check)
18:00:10 <shachaf> `? member
18:00:14 <HackEso> I'm sorry, #esoteric has regulars, not members. Who told you about members? There are definitely no members here, and you wouldn't be allowed to know about them, anyway.
18:00:35 <int-e> see also re-member, dis-member
18:00:52 <int-e> (no I don't think those entries exist)
18:03:38 <impomatic> ais523: email sent, thanks
18:04:41 <ais523> of course I can't guarantee you'll get a reply
18:07:10 <impomatic> I wrote a short program in Ruby. Works fine, but wondered if anyone fluent in Ruby can see any simplifications, bad style or bad practices in it :-) https://corewar.co.uk/optima/optima.rb
18:07:49 <impomatic> ais523: I'm used to not getting replies. I send a lot of emails asking about stuff which has disappeared from the internet.
18:08:06 <impomatic> Even snail mail about pre-internet stuff.
18:16:27 <esolangs> [[Talk:I/D machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111996&oldid=111994 * Ais523 * (+1183) /* I cant see why this is turing complete */ how the data normally ends up getting stored in practice
18:18:34 <ais523> sometimes these very small TCness constructions require an absurd number of steps before you even reach anything that's recognisable as arithmetic, fortunately the I/D machine isn't too bad in that respect
18:19:01 <ais523> The Waterfall Model can actually store numbers almost-directly, which is a little surprising but makes it easier to convince people it's TC
18:19:27 <ais523> ():^ Underload is a lot worse, I think that's a few levels of abstraction away from anything that can be interpreted as an integer
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18:24:24 <impomatic> I like Underload :-)
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18:25:37 <ais523> the minimal TC subset works pretty differently from the full version of the language
18:25:50 <ais523> if you have * then you have actual numbers
18:47:19 <b_jonas> "The Waterfall Model can actually store numbers almost-directly, which is a little surprising but makes it easier to convince people it's TC" => is this your reaction to https://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:I/D_machine#I_cant_see_why_this_is_turing_complete ?
18:48:11 <ais523> was inspired by it, at least
18:51:30 <ais523> something I was thinking about semi-recently was tag systems, and if it's possible for them to be efficient
18:51:50 <ais523> the TCness proofs generally go via Minsky machines, which means an exponential slowdown – I'm not certain whether or not such a slowdown is required
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19:07:05 <esolangs> [[Talk:Woodchuck/Implementation]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=111997 * Rdebath * (+281) Broken interpreter :(
19:14:13 <b_jonas> ... the TCness proof for Underload, or even underload with *, goes through a two-stack machine. so do the TCness proofs of Consumer Society. only of course you prefer to push the boundaries of TCness with tarpits where that's hard, and that's when you go through Minsky machines. though of course if you're trying to program an existing language like M:tG then that does help.
19:31:53 <ais523> b_jonas: there are plenty of ways to prove Underload TC – my usual one is to translate SKI combinator calculus into it
19:40:47 <esolangs> [[Simplified Emmental]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111998&oldid=79336 * Rdebath * (+161) Simple ruby interpreter.
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19:49:09 <b_jonas> ais523: yeah
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20:22:24 <esolangs> [[Esolang Simply Created To Annoy People Who Dislike Scratch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=111999&oldid=111945 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+87) /* External resources */ Categories
20:23:12 <esolangs> [[Esolang Simply Created To Annoy People Who Dislike Scratch]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=112000&oldid=111999 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+34) Class
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21:24:10 <esolangs> [[Melanjan]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=112001&oldid=102320 * Challenger5 * (+2) fact fix
21:27:51 <esolangs> [[User:Challenger5]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=112002&oldid=105063 * Challenger5 * (+106) mention imma
21:29:29 <esolangs> [[User:Challenger5]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=112003&oldid=112002 * Challenger5 * (+13) fix links
21:32:06 <esolangs> [[CZTOLJDEFGKJSKI calculus]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=112004 * Challenger5 * (+2428) Created page with "{{infobox proglang |name=CZTOLJDEFGKJSKI calculus |paradigms=functional |author=[[User:Challenger5]] |year=[[:Category:2023|2023]] |class=[[:Category:Turing complete|Turing complete]] |influence=[[Lazy K]] |files=<code>.cztoljdefgkjski</code> }} Th
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23:49:35 <esolangs> [[Talk:I/D machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=112006&oldid=111996 * Yetyetty1234567890 * (+178) /* I cant see why this is turing complete */
23:49:52 <esolangs> [[Talk:I/D machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=112007&oldid=112006 * Yetyetty1234567890 * (+0) /* I cant see why this is turing complete */ : fix date
23:53:26 <esolangs> [[Talk:I/D machine]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=112008&oldid=112007 * Ais523 * (+707) /* I cant see why this is turing complete */ link to the proof
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