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< 1695340977 796988 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :multitasking I think
< 1695341000 806025 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :i.e., running multiple programs at once, so multi-programmed
< 1695341074 767247 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(related to timesharing I suppose)
< 1695341693 893077 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :"All of this is relevant to nothing in particular except to indicate that even the most
< 1695341693 949644 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :modern computers still use some electro-mechanical components. Fortunately, the
< 1695341693 961820 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :demise of the disk drive is not far off. The end of mechanical access devices will certainly
< 1695341693 967772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :not be lamented. They will soon go the way of punched card systems. "
< 1695342017 715814 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( make a speaker or microphone with no moving parts )
< 1695345240 821074 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There was that fan "without moving parts" (maybe slightly depending on definitions), based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_wind
< 1695345253 800369 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RTGv-p-xxY
< 1695345302 339747 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know if you could feasibly turn that into a speaker.
< 1695345411 461624 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://massless.info/DontBreathe.html "In 1980 he designed and built a prototype corona wind loudspeaker that he called an Ion Cloud panel, one of the better names of a massless speaker. Stereophile (1980) called him the ionic man."
< 1695345414 44711 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe.
< 1695345934 115577 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cute
< 1695351722 614026 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there such a thing as a "scalar monad"?
< 1695352355 317688 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: Did you see https://massless.info/Mics.html too? The high frequency use case makes some actual sense too.
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> 1695357996 206020 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/contentmodel14]]4 change10 02 5* 03Azwid 5*  10Azwid changed the content model of the page [[02Onlynumber10]] from "plain text" to "CSS"
> 1695358029 881820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Onlynumber14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=116488&oldid=116487 5* 03Azwid 5* (+0) 10Azwid changed the content model of the page [[Onlynumber]] from "CSS" to "wikitext"
> 1695358029 897582 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/contentmodel14]]4 change10 02 5* 03Azwid 5*  10Azwid changed the content model of the page [[02Onlynumber10]] from "CSS" to "wikitext"
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> 1695358044 430126 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/contentmodel14]]4 change10 02 5* 03Azwid 5*  10Azwid changed the content model of the page [[02Onlynumber10]] from "wikitext" to "JavaScript"
> 1695358053 629198 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Onlynumber14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=116490&oldid=116489 5* 03Azwid 5* (+0) 10Azwid changed the content model of the page [[Onlynumber]] from "JavaScript" to "wikitext"
> 1695358053 641641 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/contentmodel14]]4 change10 02 5* 03Azwid 5*  10Azwid changed the content model of the page [[02Onlynumber10]] from "JavaScript" to "wikitext"
> 1695359274 863828 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=116491&oldid=116484 5* 03Xi-816 5* (+22) 10
> 1695359463 181404 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NDBall Extended14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=116492 5* 03Xi-816 5* (+272) 10Created page with "{{stub}}  '''NDBall Extended''' is an esoteric programming language by [[User:Xi-816]]. It is an extended version of NDBall, with more instructions.  == N-Dimensional Grid == NDBall Extended uses N-Dimensional Grid like NDBall. But it is written like <code>[0 1 0]
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< 1695361159 880664 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there a good format of a use like JSON, but is non-Unicode, and allows comments and 64-bit integers and proper binary data (which may be represented as hex or base64, perhaps)?
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< 1695370351 998772 :river!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i dnot think that there is, but it is a good idea
< 1695371509 965076 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.29.45 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I just defined a custom format that I use for work to dump some data once and read it many times because the data is slower to generate. it is line-based and has a well-defined format for its tokens, so I can write quoted strings, numbers, and more, and I can split lines and tokenize even parts that I currently ignore when reading (but still write so I can use the data later), but no recursive 
< 1695371515 968285 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.29.45 PRIVMSG #esolangs :structures like nested arrays or hashes.
< 1695371560 739784 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.29.45 PRIVMSG #esolangs :besides that I have various tabular data in tab-separated csv format, some of them read or written by a third-party application as well, some that only my scripts use
< 1695371618 311021 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.29.45 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't much like json or xml or these generic recursive container formats. xml is fine for XHTML, but I don't think it's a good idea to use it for everything.
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< 1695382688 599439 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tempted to include something like https://go.dev/play/p/U1FFkwy3xye in a CL just to see the code review comments.
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> 1695389906 642744 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cheat14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=116555 5* 03None1 5* (+268) 10Created page with "Cheat is an esolang by [[User:None1]], it is [[brainfuck]] but an emptu program is a [[Hello World]] program. ==Examples== ===Hello World=== <pre></pre> ===[[Cat program]]===  ,[.,] [[Category:Languages]] [[Category:Brainfuck derivatives]] [[Category:Turing complete]]"
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< 1695408935 141135 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sometimes a plain line-based format is better but sometimes it is useful to have structures, though
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< 1695420262 446490 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Again a weird system administration problem. :/
< 1695420268 90540 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've got this suid-root helper that I use to edit nftables rules when a physical key is pressed (kind of a proof-of-presence thing). It executes a `nft` command as a subprocess. It's now stopped working.
< 1695420270 545081 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :If I run the helper as already root, it works correctly. If I run the helper binary as a non-suid program with a non-privileged user, it fails in the expected way ("operation not permitted"). But if I run the suid binary as the daemon user that's watching the key, it just reports that the `nft` binary exited with status code 111 and no output.
< 1695420301 202892 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Assuming that's an errno value it's returning as an exit code, 111 would be ECONNREFUSED, and could be something to do with the netlink connection nft uses to do its thing.
< 1695420348 554192 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmmmhmm. something in the environment?
< 1695420368 163193 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe. It's weird how it works when executed by the actual root user, but not when it gets those privileges via suid.
< 1695420450 415369 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :does it work if you use the suid wrapper as root?
< 1695420455 874733 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, it does.
< 1695420463 497675 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the same shell, as root, `./binary` works but `sudo -u daemon-user ./binary` doesn't.
< 1695420487 715474 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And it does get *something* from being suid-root, because it fails differently than it does when it's not running nft as root.
< 1695420526 415580 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :time to figure out how to strace a suid binary
< 1695420534 413259 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It could be some sort of security feature about suid binaries and "network" (including netlink) connections, I guess.
< 1695420547 837084 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :AppArmor something-or-other.
< 1695420691 232796 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you could let the wrapper call nft with strace to see what exactly is failing?
< 1695420760 539396 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. It's annoying to tweak though because it's a binary. But I could.
< 1695420782 924915 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Tried to just run the suid binary under strace, but it failed in the "operation not permitted way", but I think that's intended behavior.
< 1695420809 74897 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe I can "reproduce" it with a suid shell script instead of the binary.
< 1695420858 434499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought suid shell scripts bascially don't work?
< 1695420937 848798 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that's true, but one could have hoped.
< 1695420958 106910 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It doesn't seem to work, though.
< 1695421129 442256 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you could test the "something in the environment" theory with   env -i PATH=/usr/bin <wrapper>
< 1695421208 365223 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But if it's something like AppArmour I don't know what tricks there are to bypass that.
< 1695421224 890942 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But that should turn up in dmesg?
< 1695421234 842988 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah. Nothing in there.
< 1695421239 554112 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe it depends on the configuration where it logs.
< 1695421241 337820 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I wrote the "shell script" in Go instead.
< 1695421280 59635 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :At least it fails in the right way. Let's add that strace on the nft then.
< 1695421296 340952 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :who even uses Go... oh right you work (or worked, at least) for Google.
< 1695421339 941841 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hey, it's not *that* unpopular.
< 1695421371 965658 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I got a trace.
< 1695421386 874865 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It does getuid() -> 0, geteuid() -> 1000, and then exit(111).
< 1695421393 654271 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I guess that's maybe directly in the nft binary.
< 1695421411 338421 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sorry, the other way around, getuid() -> 1000, geteuid() -> 0.
< 1695421482 730582 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :main.c: /* nftables cannot be used with setuid in a safe way. */ if (getuid() != geteuid()) _exit(111);
< 1695421520 252936 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It stopped working after Debian updates, which probably brought in a newer version of nftables with that feature in it.
< 1695421658 496065 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://git.netfilter.org/nftables/commit/src/main.c?id=2139913694a9850c9160920b2c638aac4828f9bb
< 1695421675 74373 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Apparently some people think its a good idea to make nft setuid so unrivilged users can change settings."
< 1695421685 876888 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But that's not what I'm doing, you [unprintable]!
< 1695421708 162683 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm slightly miffed.
< 1695421765 578718 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess the "right" way is to use libnftables instead of the nft binary, which I feel like is what I _tried_ to do first, but it was so terribly documented I gave up and just called the binary.
< 1695421794 626169 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, it's got a "output in JSON" mode, it's clearly intended to be driven programmatically.
< 1695421835 563144 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe I'll just build a "nft-relaxed" binary with that line commented out.
< 1695421886 769143 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then it'll stop working the next time there's a backwards-incompatible update to libnftables, but still.
< 1695421904 381742 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so your wrapper doesn't do setuid(geteuid()) ?
< 1695422036 887561 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's still interesting that it used to work of course)
< 1695422062 298330 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It pretty much just did exec + some mangling of the outputs.
< 1695422093 234238 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is that a best-practices thing for suid binaries that call other ones? I don't really know what I'm doing so much.
< 1695422113 241698 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess that sounds like a plausible fix too.
< 1695422340 298764 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that worked. Thanks!
< 1695422365 979938 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It used to work because this was a Debian oldstable that had a version of nftables from right before that commit.)
< 1695422399 954981 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Best practice", hmm. I don't feel confident enough to say yes. :-)
< 1695422446 254268 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But setuid(geteuid()) does get rid of the two-headed status of a process that has different uid and euid.
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< 1695423050 785723 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :So many programs use JSON, although there are more efficient formats for different uses, whether text or binary. PostScript binary object sequence format is good and can be used without needing to parse the entire structure to find what you are looking for, although it also has problems such as strings being limited to 64K and integers being limited to 32 bits, and cannot use key/values (even though PostScript can).
< 1695423120 536831 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, sometimes just CSV is better. In fact, I deliberately did not use JSON for Free Hero Mesh because of its problems, so I ended up making my own text-based format specific to that program, although it is easily enough to produce from other programs, and not so difficult to parse either.
< 1695423358 35756 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Although, even with CSV there is the quoting which is not as simple as it could be, so tab-separated or ASCII-control-separated might be able to avoid the quoting if they are characters that you do not need in the data.)
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