< 1695948230 468455 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1695948328 500048 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord > 1695949073 836231 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Deadfish++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117185&oldid=117177 5* 03None1 5* (+38) 10/* Question */ > 1695949437 246378 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07V^v14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117186&oldid=115550 5* 03None1 5* (+30) 10 > 1695949562 215765 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07V^v14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117187&oldid=117186 5* 03None1 5* (-30) 10Oh, no. Displaytitles are only allowed to be equivalent to the actual title > 1695950006 816649 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Headache (Lang that compiles to brainfuck)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=117188 5* 03None1 5* (+123) 10Created page with "I'm curious whether this supports Windows. --~~~~" > 1695950136 118473 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck code generation14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117189&oldid=113327 5* 03None1 5* (+49) 10/* Languages that compile to brainfuck */ > 1695950374 258642 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck code generation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117190&oldid=117189 5* 03None1 5* (-29) 10/* Other */ > 1695950596 882196 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117191&oldid=116830 5* 03None1 5* (+190) 10/* Delete blank pages */ new section > 1695950671 674795 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03None1 5* 10moved [[02Headache10]] to [[Headache (brainfuck derivative)]]: Two langs are named headache > 1695950671 754643 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03None1 5* 10moved [[02Talk:Headache10]] to [[Talk:Headache (brainfuck derivative)]]: Two langs are named headache > 1695950780 798480 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Main Page14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117196&oldid=114876 5* 03Esolanger12345 5* (+23) 10minor padding error > 1695950804 297174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Headache14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117197&oldid=117193 5* 03None1 5* (+177) 10Removed redirect to [[Headache (brainfuck derivative)]] > 1695950882 190979 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Main Page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117198&oldid=117196 5* 03Esolanger12345 5* (+84) 10 > 1695950953 865616 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117199&oldid=116966 5* 03None1 5* (+6) 10 > 1695954063 219675 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03StrawberryChocolate 5* 10New user account > 1695954301 648596 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117200&oldid=117149 5* 03D 5* (+397) 10Trivial proof via Grill Tag > 1695954358 301172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117201&oldid=117200 5* 03D 5* (+57) 10 > 1695954449 69088 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117202&oldid=117201 5* 03D 5* (+3) 10/* Computational class */ < 1695955008 611228 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wanted to make up a format better than JSON, because I think both the syntax and data types of JSON is a bit wrong. My idea maybe is to call "ION" (Improved Object Notation), but, maybe you have a better idea. I would have: integers (at least signed 64-bits), floating, string (a sequence of arbitrary bytes), sequence, key/value map, boolean, null. (And, for floating points you can also have Infinity and NaN, too.) < 1695955041 842111 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The syntax of strings can be " " for text, < > for hex, and <= => for base64. Is it good enough? > 1695959779 775652 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Art3d14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117203&oldid=116965 5* 03Gabrielclark3330 5* (-849) 10 > 1695959781 290263 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Recursoin14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117204&oldid=108912 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+36) 10Distinguish confusion > 1695959829 831307 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Recursion14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117205&oldid=73362 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+36) 10Distinguish confusion > 1695963579 204960 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Transet14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=117206 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+635) 10Created page with "== The "Binary numbers" example == The pattern {[<<>>],[(*),<<>>]} (which is supposed to match character 1) also matches the representation of character |. If * is replaced with <>, the resulting se > 1695963712 426446 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117207&oldid=117160 5* 03Hakerh400 5* (+267) 10Fix grammar, add interpreter > 1695964381 495995 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SaHuTOrEPoL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117208&oldid=93610 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+132) 10Stub, categories > 1695964443 241185 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117209&oldid=117199 5* 03  5* (+21) 10/* The Classic */ < 1695966718 63787 :CAT_S!apic@brezn3.muc.ccc.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1695967774 659011 :CAT_S!apic@brezn3.muc.ccc.de JOIN #esolangs CAT_S :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 > 1695968083 277793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pairpointing14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117210&oldid=117029 5* 03Fazaazafg 5* (-198) 10/* Loops */ > 1695968525 88172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pairpointing14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117211&oldid=117210 5* 03Fazaazafg 5* (+18) 10/* Built-in functions */ < 1695969455 287151 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1695971658 613022 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1695971788 795915 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1695972202 450262 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1695972483 317818 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1695974720 614451 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1695974833 846887 :[iovoid]!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :equivalent to ?, for some equivalence relation ?? < 1695974911 375000 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1695974925 96990 :[iovoid]!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :iovoid < 1695975098 809401 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1695976614 669912 :river!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://orlp.net/blog/subtraction-is-functionally-complete/ < 1695977241 714597 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1695977733 462443 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown > 1695978770 475877 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117212&oldid=117202 5* 03D 5* (+191) 10This proof is incorrect. I'll compile the waterfall model to it > 1695979018 574688 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117213&oldid=117209 5* 03Esolanger12345 5* (+70) 10 > 1695979026 269488 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117214&oldid=117213 5* 03Esolanger12345 5* (+1) 10 > 1695979050 875327 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NONE14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117215&oldid=117126 5* 03Jaip 5* (-15) 10 > 1695979063 840174 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NONE14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117216&oldid=117215 5* 03Jaip 5* (+1) 10 < 1695979224 153917 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the topic of esolangs without names.  I often find myself in the opposite situation, where I have more esolang names than I have esolangs.  Perhaps we could start up some sort of exchange program.  We could go around saying that it was inspired by Douglas Adams' "The Meaning of Liff". < 1695980767 524832 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1695980927 850472 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dip14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117217&oldid=117212 5* 03D 5* (+694) 10/* Compiling individual waterclocks */ < 1695981026 659831 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey > 1695981123 71493 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117218&oldid=117217 5* 03D 5* (+187) 10 < 1695981251 453278 :CAT_S!apic@brezn3.muc.ccc.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1695981273 366665 :CAT_S!apic@brezn3.muc.ccc.de JOIN #esolangs CAT_S :A. Pic. - my name since YOLD 3149 > 1695981451 251610 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117219&oldid=117218 5* 03D 5* (+556) 10/* Inner loop 1: The flag & A' loop */ > 1695981485 668786 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117220&oldid=117219 5* 03D 5* (+11) 10/* Compiling individual waterclocks */ > 1695981815 38236 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117221&oldid=117220 5* 03D 5* (+665) 10 > 1695981956 872791 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117222&oldid=117221 5* 03D 5* (+31) 10 > 1695982029 282595 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117223&oldid=117222 5* 03D 5* (+12) 10 > 1695982060 560397 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117224&oldid=117223 5* 03D 5* (+0) 10 < 1695983376 484754 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the much less interesting topic of context-sensitive languages, I've learned that if you have a grammar formalism for context-sensitive languages, then referring to it as a context-sensitive grammar formalism risks a certain amount of confusion, because a "context-sensitive grammar" a la Chomsky is already a particular formalism for describing < 1695983376 982899 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :context-sensitive languages. < 1695983449 153809 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1695983497 324806 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: in that case, please give good names to https://esolangs.org/wiki/(0) and https://esolangs.org/wiki/1.1 < 1695985084 230859 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: Well, currently I have the name "Hrugmenx" to spare, but I'm not sure it quite fits either of those. < 1695985298 492758 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think there must be some confusion somewhere in the 1.1 article.  It links to https://esolangs.org/wiki/Markov_algorithm (because Knuth refers to Markov's book) but the 1.1 language is a bit different from what the Markov algorithm page describes.  A 1.1 program has explicit steps in it. < 1695985347 364974 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1695985381 700226 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Whereas Markov algorithms just terminate when there are no further rewrites they can make (...according to that page.  I haven't actually studied them myself.) < 1695985451 854599 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the name "context-sensitive grammar" is a little unfortunate: it has used a general-sounding name to describe something very specific < 1695985509 662137 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one thing that has frustrated me in my recent analyses of tag systems is that the concepts that you want to use rarely seem to exactly correspond to the concepts that have been named < 1695985539 427170 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais: should we call it Chomsky T2 grammar or something like that instead? < 1695985564 541762 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :something as simple as "remove the first X symbols from the queue, then look up the removed words in a map and append the map's value to the queue" is an obvious generalisation of tag, but appears to not have a name < 1695985579 167162 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :…and I didn't name it myself because I haven't found that specific formalism to be useful yet < 1695985596 626974 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so maybe it doesn't deserve one? < 1695985614 615607 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: perhaps, that's less confusing at least < 1695985621 647090 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although isn't it T1? < 1695985641 746640 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :T2 is context-free languages / push-down automata, the sort of thing that you deal with when writing parsers < 1695985646 418764 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and T3 is regular languages / regexps < 1695985651 12919 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know < 1695985658 479756 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1695985671 148156 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1695985714 22497 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw I think there is a sensible generalisation of context-free languages to support lookaround (although there is more than one plausible/useful way to define lookaround in that situation) < 1695985728 575907 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't think it's the same thing as a context-sensitive grammar < 1695985765 444967 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: the problem with naming languages is not so much finding good languages, or finding good names, but having the language and name match well < 1695985819 334906 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was pretty lucky with "Genera Tag" – I started by taking the common prefix of "generation" and "generalized", and then realised it was the plural of "genus" (which fits pretty well) < 1695985854 912346 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry about my connection < 1695985865 457363 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not the same as a Chomsky context-sensitive grammar, but doesn't it still generate the same class of languages, those that you can recognize in space that's linear in the input size? < 1695985869 591591 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1695985908 102267 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and obviously the name had to end in "tag" because it's a queue automaton whose state is calculated as the sum of a function of the symbols it has read so far, which is what seems to me to be the defining factor that separates tag systems from other sorts of queue automata) < 1695985993 924610 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: I think it's probably a smaller class, I think you can recognise it in polynomial time (unless I'm missing something) < 1695986094 371552 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :by lookaround, do you want to allow looking around for nonterminal symbols, or only looking around for terminal symbols? < 1695986139 504444 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: there appear to be at least three sensible definitions < 1695986158 327220 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I've forgotten one of them < 1695986169 113613 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one of them is lookaround for terminals < 1695986204 574395 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and one of them is lookaround for the largest/outermost nonterminal that starts at the position < 1695986213 918634 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, the third is probably lookaround for any nonterminal that starts at the position < 1695986230 257493 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the latter two cases, the nonterminal in question has to be part of the actual derivation you're producing, rather than just "anything that matches" < 1695986256 663729 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :right, that one with lookaround for the eventual terminals, that you can recognize in polynomial time, because you can first transform the string to a new string from a bigger alphabet where each symbol contains the (bounded size) lookaround on the original string, and then match that to a context-free grammar < 1695986357 423934 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry about my connection < 1695986372 722406 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1695986430 249884 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1695986485 720047 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw, the class of grammars I'm most interested in is "the class of grammars that can be parsed in linear time", but this is a hard class to define < 1695986507 724511 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it is probably uncomputable to know whether any given grammar is in that class or not (although, I don't think any of the existing grammar-uncomputability results applies exactly) < 1695986532 613429 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1695986698 975831 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the variant that I was thinking of, with lookahead for nonterminals, is this. first consider a general Chomsky grammar, that is, a set of replacement rules on the infixes of your word (made of terminals or nonterminals), you apply these replacements nondeterministically from a starting nonterminal symbol, if you can reach the word (of terminals < 1695986699 475467 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :only) then you matched it. now restrict the form of replacement rules, so that each replacement rule is like αpγ->αβγ where the words α and γ are the same on both sides, p is a single nonterminal symbol, and β is nonempty. I think this one is just as powerful as context-sensitive grammars, except you may have to do some adjustments near the < 1695986699 979618 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :edges of the string and/or with empty strings. < 1695986742 368675 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, you want grammars that can be parsed in linear time... yes, that sounds like it's hard to define or prove anything about < 1695986767 528677 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :we know that any regular language can be parsed in linear time at least, but beyond that it gets hard < 1695988438 495483 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie < 1695989325 113090 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1695990260 393940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Truth-machine14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117225&oldid=116994 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+89) 10/* Backshift */ > 1695990490 680086 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117226&oldid=117165 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+49) 10adding a link > 1695990540 686294 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117227&oldid=117226 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (-2) 10/* my formatting is very wrong :c */ < 1695992351 15949 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm aware only of a few minor equivalent variants of CSG which seem to exist to make it less obnoxious to work with, and I usually mentally lump these all together into "CSG". < 1695992399 813321 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The thing is that CSGs are just terrible for parsing or generating a CSL in actual practice, and a big reason for that is because they need to keep all context in the string.  It's a lot like a tape in a TM, you end up shuttling things around a lot.  In practice, of course, you'd store the context somewhere else, on the stack or in the heap. < 1695992536 513617 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :CSLs are also a headache for linguists.  Because a CFL isn't quite enough to describe most interesting languages, but a CSL is far far more than you need.  So they end up defining various "mildly context-sensitive" languages. < 1695992611 129031 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"most interesting languages" -> I mean human languages, but also most programming languages have some notion of context (like defined symbols). < 1695992897 378621 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :tbh, I think I'm talking about this partly because I'm trying to get myself interested in this project of mine again after abandoning it for several months.  I'm not sure if it's working or not. < 1695994171 444414 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@188.64.15.98 JOIN #esolangs arseniiv :the chaotic arseniiv > 1695994252 710106 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117228&oldid=117206 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (+530) 10/* The "Binary numbers" example */ > 1695994335 703923 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117229&oldid=117228 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (+108) 10/* The "Binary numbers" example */ > 1695994980 211364 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:GUAqwq14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117230&oldid=117162 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (+1969) 10 < 1695995666 505297 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: sorry about my connection < 1695995679 488756 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1695996127 359568 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1695996129 717667 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dip14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117231&oldid=117224 5* 03D 5* (+93) 10 < 1695996381 647931 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-117-3.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1695996614 317643 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1695997536 618621 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-10-144-45.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1695997875 611085 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1695997939 684485 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-10-144-45.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Part of it is that the idea of restricted languages is appealing.  There's something ironic about using Turing-complete (=RE) languages to write efficient (=P) code to parse strings in a context-sensitive language (=PSPACE) which in the worst case requires some kind of backtracking search (=NP). < 1695998069 802334 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-10-144-45.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1695998423 613089 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-112-119.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey > 1695998886 884832 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117232&oldid=117229 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (-5) 10/* Personal problem on the interpreter or on haskell */ < 1695999599 245286 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-112-119.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's kind of like, "Why yes, although a bow and arrow would suffice, I always use thermonuclear weapons when I go hunting for elk, because it's so very easy to acquire thermonuclear weapons, whereas bows are such tricky things.  And besides, what if I encounter an elephant instead of an elk?  I wouldn't want to be unprepared!" < 1696000524 391367 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1696001083 848450 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117233&oldid=117207 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (+14) 10/* Computational class */ > 1696001154 275631 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117234&oldid=117233 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (-14) 10/* Computational class */ > 1696001186 182084 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117235&oldid=117232 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (+111) 10 > 1696001732 746907 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Emoji-gramming14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117236&oldid=84456 5* 03Europe2048 5* (+537) 10 > 1696002210 480871 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Europe204814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117237&oldid=116861 5* 03Europe2048 5* (-139) 10 < 1696003033 613211 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-112-119.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1696003423 439046 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1696003432 553781 :pikhq!sid394595@user/pikhq JOIN #esolangs pikhq :Ada Worcester < 1696003704 587713 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1696003720 403329 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - 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For example, is Suspicious Sand an invalid block value?" < 1696019189 947538 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1696019205 796515 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse > 1696020280 195829 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Inputer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117243&oldid=102061 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+192) 10Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Inputer programming language on GitHub and introduced the category tag Implemented. > 1696020437 835468 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Inputer14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117244&oldid=117243 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+648) 10Introduced an examples section comprehending a quintuple of initial members, among them two cat programs and a truth-machine approximation. > 1696020479 103303 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Inputer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117245&oldid=117244 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+130) 10Reformatted and slightly reformulated the command table. < 1696020506 478815 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1696020519 477831 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:d029:7a95:4ecb:9d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1696020924 197105 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@188.64.15.98 QUIT :Quit: gone too far < 1696021323 314953 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.29.167 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so how did the borderas of Lichtenstein end up looking on a map like a scaled down copy of those of Luxenburg? < 1696021575 838397 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1696021798 851443 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1696023558 371293 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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