< 1696380436 622961 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1696380509 37324 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1696381153 311322 :user3456!~user3456@user/user3456 JOIN #esolangs user3456 :user3456 < 1696383731 986349 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1696390103 317807 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1696390191 145879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1696390958 462557 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had written some code for working with TRON-16 character codes in X window system, although it will not work without suitable fonts. (It also includes a function conversion TRON-8 to TRON-16.) (Actually, it uses the XChar2b structure and works like the other 16-bit text functions in Xlib except that if byte1 is 0xFE then it will automatically switch the font rather than treating it as a visible character code.) < 1696391003 502219 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The other thing which should then be added, other than output, is the support for input too, but that is not implemented yet. < 1696392297 608142 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1696392313 741387 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1696393485 126141 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1696395521 127747 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? password < 1696395524 212002 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The password of the month is suboptimal > 1696395834 824917 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117403&oldid=117395 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+596) 10upgwaide! > 1696395865 546533 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117404&oldid=117403 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (-37) 10/* Text to Bawkbawk */ when did that get here???? < 1696396210 541123 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`learn The password of the month is prematurely spooky < 1696396214 244918 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Relearned 'password': The password of the month is prematurely spooky > 1696396465 846482 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117405&oldid=117404 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+1160) 10/* Examples */ a new one! > 1696396572 378878 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117406&oldid=117405 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+88) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ ummm > 1696396812 203309 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117407&oldid=117406 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (-91) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ nothing > 1696397160 432604 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Piet++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117408&oldid=103945 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+7) 10formatting > 1696397220 987070 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Piet++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117409&oldid=117408 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (-2) 10I did it wrong, sorry > 1696397829 294219 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BIRL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117410&oldid=72663 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+9) 10Stub > 1696397916 554407 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BIRL14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117411&oldid=117410 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10Categories > 1696398121 92959 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117412&oldid=117407 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+132) 10/* Chickens */ ooh yes, upgwaide > 1696398230 275913 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Strike14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=117413 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+24) 10making life easier > 1696398271 100982 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117414&oldid=117412 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (-6) 10/* Chickens */ gotta look cool > 1696398515 93033 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Big Man Computer14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117415&oldid=115691 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+10) 10/* adding stub */ < 1696398986 105996 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:4990:79eb:4e75:496f JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1696399631 231059 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Link14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=117416 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+239) 10shortcut > 1696399666 862593 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Link14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117417&oldid=117416 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (-9) 10 > 1696399684 465984 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Link14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117418&oldid=117417 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+7) 10 > 1696399721 452418 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Link14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117419&oldid=117418 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (-8) 10 > 1696399797 441451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117420&oldid=117414 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+6) 10/* Commands */ shortcut < 1696401923 614589 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Europe2048 < 1696401941 377005 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi everyone! < 1696403652 636630 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1696405308 766327 :laerling!~laerling@user/laerling PRIVMSG #esolangs :Morning < 1696405997 527426 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I traditionally obfuscate my email address by duplicating its characters. This used to work because everyone knew that hhuu isn't a real top-level domain, since there were only like twenty top-level domain names that aren't two letters long and people knew the list. But now there are a thousand top level domain names, so someone might think that hhuu is a real top-level domain name. < 1696406024 574928 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh < 1696406064 362416 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although the doubled @ sign might still help. I'll have to test if that's valid syntax, and whether the doubled dot in the hostname is accepted in place of a single dot < 1696406077 241145 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I think the double dot is valid; the double @ sign hopefully isn't) < 1696406150 929981 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :drat, stupid high-level email client, it complains "please enter at least one recipient" < 1696406347 208986 :laerling!~laerling@user/laerling PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Any particular reason against the classic (at)/[.] obfuscation? Or just preference? < 1696406369 483092 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :lack of obscurity < 1696406435 554405 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what int-e says, every email harvester already replaces that < 1696406556 529653 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is, of course, mostly theoretical because I treat my email address as public enough that every spammer already has it on their list < 1696406578 942001 :laerling!~laerling@user/laerling PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you make use of those + extensions? < 1696406606 649044 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :occasionally < 1696406806 562071 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1696407325 673723 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1696407838 138731 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:4990:79eb:4e75:496f QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1696409003 614530 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1696409601 414960 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:5dbb:aba8:3f11:2b57 JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1696410623 757579 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Style14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=117421 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+459) 10Created page with "{{{text}}}Shortcut for text styling. < 1696411523 614959 :cpressey30!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1696411708 625728 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1696412866 612855 :cpressey30!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net NICK :cpressey > 1696413119 485112 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Binary lambda calculus14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117422&oldid=108937 5* 03Pro465 5* (+44) 10add category > 1696413290 105897 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Programs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117423&oldid=115267 5* 03Pro465 5* (+86) 10/* I don't know what this is for */ agree with op < 1696413317 452353 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown > 1696413548 575302 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Themed14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=117424 5* 03Pro465 5* (+146) 10Created page with "== suggestion to remove this == in favor of [[Category:Thematic]] --~~~~" > 1696413569 459351 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Themed14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117425&oldid=117424 5* 03Pro465 5* (+1) 10/* suggestion to remove this */ < 1696414135 613184 :cpressey89!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1696414158 620720 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1696414354 651472 :cpressey89!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net NICK :cpressey < 1696415113 782560 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs : I presume you're not interested in cases where the lexer just has a small fixed number of modes with similar but slightly different lexing modes <------ You presume right. The more powerful the dynamic-lexer-reprogramming is, the better. < 1696415180 819018 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :My recollection of Bear Food is that you could register a new arbitrary regexp for any of the built-in token classes.  Which would be a good start at least. < 1696415188 977829 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It was otherwise a Forth-like language. < 1696415245 335442 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie > 1696415509 302119 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Style14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117426&oldid=117421 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+585) 10Expanding on this > 1696415884 966847 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Style14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117427&oldid=117426 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+68) 10Expanding on this < 1696417139 613332 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Europe2048 < 1696417145 498787 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi everybody! < 1696417189 798570 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Heya ☺ < 1696417962 123165 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm User:Europe2048, and you? > 1696418443 538012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Style14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117428&oldid=117427 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (-22) 10/* Boxes */ > 1696418466 616489 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template:Style14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117429&oldid=117428 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+1) 10/* Boxes */ < 1696419376 741331 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1696419556 157921 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1696420102 266756 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:5dbb:aba8:3f11:2b57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1696420966 566853 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:ed41:ca3b:872:a08a JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1696421015 270723 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@188.64.15.98 JOIN #esolangs arseniiv :the chaotic arseniiv < 1696422185 361183 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1696423320 615104 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Europe2048 < 1696423335 436513 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi everyone! > 1696423402 172198 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tetrastack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117430&oldid=116046 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (+29) 10 > 1696423507 128702 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Tetrastack14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117431&oldid=117430 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (-1) 10 > 1696423562 485632 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117432&oldid=117366 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (+58) 10 > 1696423578 379712 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Transet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117433&oldid=117432 5* 03GUAqwq 5* (-1) 10 < 1696423819 443795 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :No human's online right now. > 1696424133 43518 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117434&oldid=117304 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+29) 10 > 1696424146 163536 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117435&oldid=117434 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+0) 10 > 1696424220 528461 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117436&oldid=117435 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (-16) 10 > 1696424323 439503 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117437&oldid=117436 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+50) 10this gotta work > 1696424393 872785 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117438&oldid=117437 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (-63) 10 no diebeto, loll back do gidgen < 1696424733 992994 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm does "the" tar file format have any silly file size restrictions? < 1696424774 988093 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I think that depends on which of the handful of tar format dialects you're talking about < 1696424791 146596 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :remember, tar is an ancient format < 1696424793 450738 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi everyone! < 1696424797 990454 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :How are you? < 1696424804 604803 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(4GB would be the relevant file size, but yeah I put "the" into quotes because I know that there are several versions) < 1696424804 772254 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :What are you talking about? < 1696424854 583544 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-: in particular, https://www.gnu.org/software/tar/manual/html_node/Formats.html#Formats note that it says the v7 format is limited to file sizes less than 8 GB < 1696424858 472181 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sometimes we just exchange obscure details of software and hardware. < 1696424921 934525 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-: note that there's also a table for the limitations, including on file sizes and file name lengths < 1696424967 493290 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: Ah, thanks for that link. (I probably should've found it myself. Probably would have, eventually...) < 1696424968 583855 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the practical answer is that there's no silly limitation unless you're using ancient software < 1696425048 12477 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also it seems that freebsd tar can read all the tar formats including the gnu ones < 1696425078 928103 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and openbsd has the same tar as freebsd and also can < 1696425164 170442 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think .tar is an esolang. < 1696425234 102390 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't see any specific claim for 7zip, so test if you want to make sure, but I expect it can also expect the newer tar formats, since even the newer tar formats are pretty old now > 1696425243 543240 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117439&oldid=117420 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+49) 10/* Commands */ new update!!111!!! < 1696425260 305744 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I mean it can probably extract large files or long filenames from tar; it might not be able to extract xattrs.) < 1696425322 657837 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should look into these BSD tars, it seems like they might be better than gnu tar, I should check if there's a linux port < 1696425385 319784 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nah, it's probably irrelevant and not worth my time > 1696425578 523884 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117440&oldid=117439 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+291) 10/* Commands */ an even better upgrade!!!!!! > 1696425764 626329 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117441&oldid=117440 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+83) 10/* Memory */ < 1696425933 263325 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, wrong format... the relevant thing is actually a zip file. Which does have a 32 bit limit, though there's a 64 bit variant... but that is embarrassingly recent (2017). < 1696425949 493016 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1696425994 559159 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I ran into `gog` packaging a 15GB file in four parts, then concatenating them, causing me to run out of disk space... this seems to be why. SIGH.) > 1696426001 564900 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Bawkbawk14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117442&oldid=117441 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+18) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ fixing < 1696426010 719280 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: ah, zip. < 1696426048 624740 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Europe2048 < 1696426059 141663 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi everyone! < 1696426073 21777 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: `tar` is involved too... they have a shell script that is followed by a `tar.gz` file containing the installer executable, and then finally the actual game package as a zip file. < 1696426119 123690 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi Europe2048.  I noticed something about Deadfish++ < 1696426131 19242 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :What is it? < 1696426154 422642 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So the `zip` file support comes from the installer and that means 6 years may not be enough time for it to support the zip64 format yet. < 1696426173 722641 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION sad
< 1696426199 302463 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Unlike Deadfish, memory pointers can be above 255 or below 0."  -- this is a bit difficult to understand, because (a) Deadfish doesn't have "memory pointers" as such, and (b) numbers in Deadfish can be above 255. < 1696426240 33761 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I meant here that memory pointers can also be 256 or below 0. < 1696426246 419284 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Let me fix this. < 1696426256 206679 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://7-zip.org/history.txt says that 7zip started to support zip64 in year 2004 > 1696426312 101737 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117443&oldid=117358 5* 03Europe2048 5* (-5) 10Made "Unlike Deadfish..." more understandable. < 1696426331 973055 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :See? I fixed it! < 1696426343 786641 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :with typical software that wouldn't count as embarrassingly recent, but archivers like this, and zip especially, are supposed to be much more stable in formats than normal software < 1696426372 369943 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :2004 is not bad though, I think I still only had a 2 gigabyte sized hard disk back then < 1696426569 473818 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :AH. < 1696426682 83540 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: Sorry, that was another failure to comprehend information on my part. Wikipedia says "Retrieved" and then a date in 2017 for the ZIP specification, and it was probably a later version anyway. < 1696426686 823473 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Aww.  The fact that you can't, for a completely arbitrary reason, make the number 256 in Deadfish, is one of its biggest charms, IMO.  To make a Deadfish derivative, and leave that out, is... awww. < 1696426689 424934 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :admittedly I was also in a university that had servers serving many students at once and those had much bigger hard disks, but even so you'd rarely meet individual files larger than 2G < 1696426775 743569 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :In other news, I'm implementing, uh, a language, in, uhhhh... another language < 1696426776 239470 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:ed41:ca3b:872:a08a QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1696426805 680147 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: hehe, that's like trying to send data unescaped on IRC, where exactly three of the 256 bytes is banned < 1696426863 584963 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course we also have a *systematic* way to make some numbers impossible to use, even as intermediate results in arithmetic < 1696426879 757841 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's https://esolangs.org/wiki/Forte ) < 1696426882 811689 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: So it's actually from 2001. That's far less embarrassing. < 1696426884 891786 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :phew < 1696426929 973420 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But of course that still doesn't guarantee that third party libraries support it. < 1696426932 811802 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Aww.  The fact that you can't, for a completely arbitrary reason, make the number 256 in Deadfish, is one of its biggest charms, IMO.  To make a Deadfish derivative, and leave that out, is... awww." Thanks, I guess. < 1696426935 611697 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh well. < 1696426956 305486 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yeah, DVD images which are larger than 4 gigabyte existed at that time < 1696427007 920427 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :According to https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/historical-cost-of-computer-memory-and-storage when "normalized" by price a 2 gigabyte hard disk in 2004 "corresponds" to a 85-gigabyte hard disk in 2022, meaning it would have been pretty small at the time. < 1696427060 142588 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :did they even make 89 GB HDDs in 2022 though ;) < 1696427067 476679 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: is that for new drives? the 2 gigabyte hard disk was rather old by that time, and I may have also been mistaken above and had got a larger drive by 2004 < 1696427093 542022 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(yeah I'm ignoring the "normalized") < 1696427105 45498 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know the sources of that data, and since it covers a timespan from 1957 to 2022 it's probably not all that "uniform". < 1696427132 643896 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think I had the 2 gigabyte disk starting from around 1995 when I first had my own PC separate from my father's PC, so by 2004 I probably got a bigger one < 1696427148 902622 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Gotta admire the company that paid $200T for a TB in 1956 < 1696427156 104024 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just to put that dot on the graph. < 1696427164 304355 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Again ignoring the "normalized" of course) < 1696427165 174108 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Looks like new drives sold in 2004 were typically in the 80, 120, 160, maybe 250 gigabyte range. < 1696427176 935562 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, that's believable < 1696427205 494798 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: that's for RAM though, not disk < 1696427206 622580 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Those sizes are familiar < 1696427243 43692 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: Sure. That's a lot of wires and ring magnets. < 1696427251 763594 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I think that graph is for the largest RAMs and disks that you can reasonably buy for a server, not for a cheaper stuff that a uni student has at home from their parents' money < 1696427275 136105 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe, yes < 1696427275 312786 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I /think/ that was the technology? Or was it still relays and tubes...) < 1696427356 128868 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: it was magnetic core memory, yes < 1696427382 105214 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that but also spinning magnetic disks for memory, and even delay lines < 1696427447 917407 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wait a moment, on that graph, what's the difference between "flash" and "solid state"? < 1696427465 93294 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've read about delay lines (maybe because of this channel?)... what a weird technology. Ingenius of course. < 1696427504 114509 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: Good question... I'd guess (but not with great confidence) that SSD implies wear levelling. < 1696427519 911620 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: they make much more sense for analog data, specifically one line of color information for television in formats that send color in alternating lines < 1696427525 830729 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: It's apparently from https://jcmit.net/flashprice.htm < 1696427562 417415 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :So "flash" is USB thumb drives and memory cards, while "solid state" is internal SATA or PCIe storage devices. < 1696427645 330035 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So no real functional distinction then. Fair enough. < 1696427721 132542 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But then it's weird that they stop tracking `flash` in the graph once internal SSDs take off... < 1696427891 694297 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: Regarding your other question, I can still find an Amazon listing for a 80GB mechanical (IDE) hard drive as new: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Western-Digital-Scorpio-Cache-Internal/dp/B000RHTIZO/ref=sr_1_9 < 1696427894 596296 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Massive capacity - WD Scorpio Blue 2.5-inch drives offer the most available capacity for space-hungry operating systems like Windows Vista, plus plenty of room left over for photos, music, and video" < 1696427897 720004 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not so sure about that. < 1696428024 758461 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like how all the reviews are from around 2010 < 1696428027 333803 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not convinced that this isn't decades old stock < 1696428038 840692 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, a 2017 review mentions "sticker dates manufacture as Oct 2008", so... < 1696428054 767395 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh! :) < 1696428105 608579 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1696428167 996828 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It seems nontrivial to find what's the smallest hard drive that's still actually being manufactured at the time. < 1696428202 763264 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not exactly a marketable feature. < 1696428282 425988 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I'm not completely sure that's not even infinite. Most of the hard disk manufacturers started to make solid state drives instead because it's more profitable, so reputedly all three big hard disk brands are made in one factory in china these days, and that sounds like a fragile situation. < 1696428295 682184 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would imagine that it won't be a consumer product, but something for industrial use or other high robustness high durability purposes. < 1696428316 412735 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But yeah SSDs will be in that niche too. < 1696428353 482696 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: no, we have the 4 megabyte SD cards for that, so if you want something smaller than an 80 gigabyte hard disk, you can just use a 16 gigabyte SD card plus a reader < 1696428382 648101 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think anyone uses hard disk for that kind of *low capacity* industrial stuff anymore < 1696428396 615213 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :high capacity sure, but low capacity works better with solid state < 1696428399 123707 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Let's pretend I said SSD/Flash < 1696428434 61952 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok, in that case I can confirm that there are low capacity solid state memory cards in use for industry at my dayjob < 1696428513 406202 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :they're a ripoff like a lot of the expensive stuff we sell, you're not paying for it being better than normal SD cards, you're paying for a brand name and for saying that you're following "the industry standard" so that you can't easily be held responsible when something fails < 1696428574 643153 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( More than 50x more durable than the floppy disks that they replace! ) < 1696428610 14315 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: is that measured in how many times you access them, or in how long you store them idle? < 1696428621 592761 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The former is what I had in mind. < 1696428642 573582 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And I made up the number of course. It's not like I could be bothered to find any data on this. < 1696428746 271917 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The fact in the back of my mind that inspired it was that there were floppies in industrial devices long after floppies were considered dead. And I believe you still have SD readers with an MFM interface?) < 1696429032 187534 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1696429139 99981 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :What are you talking about? < 1696429763 866302 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie < 1696429955 176449 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1696430228 272111 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@188.64.15.98 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds > 1696430302 632243 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category talk:Programs14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117444&oldid=117423 5* 03None1 5* (+117) 10 < 1696430332 138240 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.214.226.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1696430496 777038 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I checked a computer distributor's homepage for low capacity, they definitely sell 512 GB spinning hard disks, and likely 256 GB spinning hard disks, definitely 8 GB SD cards, and 700 MB writable CDs. also the largest microSD cards that they sell is 512 GB, I assumed it would have grown past that by now, but no, it's almost like there's a < 1696430497 264276 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :physical limitation in how much data they can cram into a card the size of a fingernail. < 1696430693 723382 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Europe2048: I think you'll find that that's not a conversation starter on IRC, especially on a channel that has public logs (see the topic). < 1696430726 979239 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh. < 1696430982 730869 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wib_jonas: Amazon has 1TB offers. And a hit for 2TB that looks fake. < 1696431214 914255 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Physical limitations, are those still a thing?  I thought Moore's Law made all that a non-issue, what with the Singularity being near and all < 1696431250 533253 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? mapole < 1696431253 376094 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :A mapole is a thwackamacallit built from maple according to Canadian standards. The army version includes a spork, a corkscrew and a moose whistle. A regulatory mapole measures 6’ by 12 kg, ±0.5 inHg. < 1696431301 65200 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: (that seemed whack-worthy) < 1696431399 855610 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :not a distributor but an OEM but https://www.kingston.com/en/memory-cards lists 512 GB as the largest. 1 TB sounds believable though. < 1696431560 790373 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.kingston.com/en/memory-cards does list 1 TB microSD card though < 1696431561 140429 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Same for Transcend at https://www.transcend-info.com/product/memory-card/ -- but their largest regular SD card is 1 TB as well (and 512 GB for µSD), so maybe they don't cater for the extreme-capacity niche. < 1696431574 822960 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good point about checking manufacturer sites. https://www.westerndigital.com/de-de/products/memory-cards/sandisk-ultra-uhs-i-microsd#SDSQUA4-032G-GN6MA < 1696431599 3436 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(down to 32GB though of course as with HDDs that may be old stock) < 1696431617 76922 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :why de-de, but whatever < 1696431634 290071 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :um, wrong link < 1696431655 350437 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I know why of course, I just hate that nobody seems to respect the Accept-Languages header) < 1696431658 373114 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.westerndigital.com/products/memory-cards/microsd (SanDisk) lists 1 TB microSD card < 1696431750 422675 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have a 16 MB CF card rolling around at the bottom of a chest of drawers that seems hard to find a reasonable use for. < 1696431752 177414 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: that's probably for the best. sure, homepages can already learn everything using client-side scripts, but let them work for it rather than broadcast my preferred languages, operating system, monitor resolution, and all other info in the header of every HTTP query. accept-languages sounds nice in theory but is probably best not used by < 1696431752 681948 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :clients. < 1696431811 253455 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :but what they do instead is worse, guessing a language based on IP < 1696431873 122864 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes, but they have to pick a language *somehow*, so I don't care too much if it's by IP. the problem is when they don't let me override the language easily from a menu entry, which I think is orthogonal to how they guess. < 1696431917 254499 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I think that fits all of Monkey Island 2! Barely. < 1696431931 928901 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I can't just use a uniform Accept-Languages because I want to see certain homepages in hungarian and others in english, in both case when the homepage exists in both english and hungarian (in some state at least) < 1696432002 49164 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think it might just DOS 6.22 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 install media, since that was 3 + 8 floppies. < 1696432033 282482 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hehe, "Games that spaned the most Disks" https://www.lemonamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=186 < 1696432060 395096 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Hmm, is it Windows for Workgroups 3.11 or Windows 3.11 for Workgroups?) < 1696432083 741620 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Memory suggests the latter. < 1696432084 298815 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: unlikely. you wouldn't use an SD card as DOS 6.22 or Windows 3.11 installer media, since old computers where you installed those didn't have drivers for SD card readers \so you couldn't install from them < 1696432107 65702 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :even CD-ROM would be stretching it < 1696432115 103282 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :so does $SEARCHENGINE < 1696432115 337281 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like those plurals where there's a two-word unit and the suffix goes in the first word, like 'postmasters general'. < 1696432176 207066 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think Baldur's Gate came on 6 CD-ROMs, that was quite something too. < 1696432192 973524 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: I write those a lot when talking about Factorio, especially about putting 4 red modules 3 each into assemblers 3\ < 1696432288 6388 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Some days I think I would like to pare down a NetBSD distribution until it fits in 16MB.  Just because. < 1696432323 100374 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Other days I think I have better things to do. < 1696432387 519132 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: do you also want to make it run on a system with just 2 MB of RAM? I had heard a legend of Linux 1 running on such a system, but I'm not sure if I believe it. < 1696432468 998274 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :back when I started to use linux, the kernel version number started with 2.2., it strictly required at least 4 MB RAM, and rescue systems came on 2 or 3 floppies. < 1696432530 454292 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the NetBSD kernel still "fits on a floppy", if that floppy is the 2.88M kind, which I've never seen in real life but which can be used as the El Torito boot image on an ISO 9660 image. < 1696432550 169429 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :But 2.88M > 2M so I would be OK if 4M was the minimum RAM < 1696432637 431315 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: the trick with two floppy rescue images was that one floppy has the kernel and one the file system, so the file system ones stays in the floppy drive and so you don't have to load it in RAM. but I think 2 MB RAM was impossible by then even if you have a many megabyte large hard disk. < 1696432706 33629 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :my DOS rescue floppy loads the whole rescue file system to a RAM disk, and since it has to fit the decompressed version twice into the RAM disk when loading, 2 MB of RAM would certainly not be enough for it < 1696432768 534383 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I never tried to make a Linux rescue system, I just used stock images for that < 1696433060 691746 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :these days even a linux kernel without modules doesn't fit in 2 MB < 1696433493 583542 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The default ("GENERIC") NetBSD kernel (for i386, I should note) is about 20MB.  You can compile a stripped-down version ("GENERIC_TINY") with minimal hardware support.  I did this recently, went and looked how big it is: 2.6M < 1696433522 144866 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :More precisely, 2684240 bytes according to "ls -l" < 1696433778 960165 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that compressed? < 1696433826 325640 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, not compressed. < 1696433880 942768 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :gzip brings it down to 1.2M < 1696433908 642774 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not sure what kind of support there is for booting from that these days.  There probably is, but it's increasingly obscure how to do it < 1696433934 851 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :booting from what? < 1696433997 819705 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Booting from a compressed kernel.  Oh hey, that means it DOES fit on a floppy, a "normal" 1.44MB one. < 1696434058 76975 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1696434066 801936 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the decompression used to be built into the kernel image itself, but these days I'm not sure if it's in the kernel or the boot loader anymore. In any case, grub2 is customizable so you can probably build a very tiny one if it only needs to support one thing. < 1696434075 612703 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1696434132 99502 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :One-floppy Linuxes were definitely a thing still in 2002-2003. < 1696434245 721748 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had my "civil service" (alternative way for doing the compulsory Finnish military service thing) then, at a place, where I had to answer phones between, I don't know, something like 3pm-5pm when the normal receptionists had gone home, and there was a computer I didn't have account on, but I could reboot it into a single-floppy Linux with an SSH client to chat in IRC during the 95% of the time < 1696434247 541731 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :nobody was calling. > 1696434271 495408 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07HQ9+B14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117445&oldid=30545 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+32) 10Stub, category > 1696434331 20347 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dbfi14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117446&oldid=112834 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+29) 10Category < 1696434347 399911 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It probably had many megabytes of RAM though.) > 1696434385 808022 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074Head/AuthorImplementation.c14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117447&oldid=108690 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+16) 10Back < 1696434782 658706 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1696434911 392580 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@188.64.15.98 JOIN #esolangs arseniiv :the chaotic arseniiv < 1696435203 643664 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Europe2048 < 1696435207 215707 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm back! < 1696435285 86071 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1696436111 505716 :isabella!izabera@user/izabera NICK :isabellatrix < 1696436552 546470 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1696437170 981541 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1696437580 416188 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Europe2048 < 1696437586 56493 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyone here? > 1696444708 243771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074Head14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117448&oldid=114220 5* 031hals 5* (+364) 10explain more > 1696444767 338534 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074Head14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117449&oldid=117448 5* 031hals 5* (+3) 10 > 1696446202 502855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Counting14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117450&oldid=89293 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+822) 10Rectified several examples which were based on the assumption of a counter start value of 1, another which employed the undefined print statement, and introduced a 99 Bottles of Beer program. > 1696446254 241450 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Counting14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117451&oldid=117450 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+166) 10Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Counting programming language on GitHub and changed the category tag Unimplemented to Implemented. < 1696447021 683736 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1696447580 898743 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@188.64.15.98 QUIT :Quit: gone too far > 1696448031 456769 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Standard single-character instructions14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117452&oldid=44833 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+13) 10Stub, link < 1696448127 429600 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :No human is online. > 1696448308 724384 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stack14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117453&oldid=112892 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+26) 10/* See Also */ Link to push-down automaton < 1696448647 961393 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1696450090 443284 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyone? > 1696450118 94104 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Counting14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117454&oldid=117451 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+588) 10Added a pseudocode formulation of the program concepts, and amended two mistakes. < 1696450386 221439 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1696450479 571861 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1696451100 613346 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1696451305 452180 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-146.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1696451837 398451 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right now I am on < 1696451944 149788 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi zzo38! < 1696452007 213665 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do you have any question or something else to write about? (Note, there are also logs, that if the question is written on a different day, someone might still read it; but I am on now so if you have a question now then maybe I might be able to answer (or maybe I don't know).) < 1696452329 418123 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :No. Anyways, go check out my esolang (Deadfish++). < 1696452338 764311 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you haven't already. < 1696452347 419533 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, I will look < 1696453004 414141 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thanks > 1696453161 126820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Deadfish++14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117455&oldid=117443 5* 03Europe2048 5* (+44) 10One-line coding is here. < 1696453253 524049 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sorry for the afk. > 1696453494 273881 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SimpliVode14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117456&oldid=58366 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+51) 10Stub, categories > 1696454476 507057 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Counting14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117457&oldid=117454 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+5041) 10Introduced a commands section comprehending the binary operations in a tabular illustration. < 1696454551 269983 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1696455024 684939 :Europe2048!~Europe204@fableness-hydrant.volia.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed > 1696455804 877222 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Betterfunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117458&oldid=98455 5* 03LEOMOK 5* (+106) 10fixed mistakes and added a note > 1696455838 937611 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Betterfunge14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117459&oldid=117458 5* 03LEOMOK 5* (+3) 10fixed another mistake < 1696455954 14328 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.214.226.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl QUIT : > 1696456515 151781 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Rotary Quine14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117460&oldid=68895 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+4) 10Link > 1696460653 484770 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Counting14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117461&oldid=117457 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+456) 10Supplemented a tabular aperu concerning the unary operators. > 1696461262 401437 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Counting14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117462&oldid=117461 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+1121) 10Added information regarding the three available statements halt, out, and read, as well as such concerning comments.