< 1696812058 613628 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-9-134.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1696812651 637162 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1696812658 432729 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1696812739 752788 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1696817802 854136 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117622&oldid=54045 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+174) 10External resources, categories > 1696817838 648994 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07EVM14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117623&oldid=117622 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10Category > 1696818151 257067 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Baltdev 5* 10New user account > 1696818244 221228 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117624&oldid=117611 5* 03Baltdev 5* (+171) 10 > 1696818292 764704 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Baltdev14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=117625 5* 03Baltdev 5* (+74) 10Created page with "hi!!! [https://balt.sno.mba check out my wwebed siute :]]" < 1696819024 374319 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1696819225 441375 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1696820400 292630 :Taneb!~Taneb@2001:41c8:51:10d:aaaa:0:aaaa:0 QUIT :Quit: I seem to have stopped. < 1696820473 406241 :Taneb!~Taneb@runciman.hacksoc.org JOIN #esolangs Taneb :Nathan van Doorn > 1696820523 139296 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lasagna14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=117626 5* 03Baltdev 5* (+9940) 10Created page with "=== Note === This article is copied from the [https://github.com/balt-dev/Lasagna GitHub repository]. = Lasagna = Lasagna is an esoteric programming language defined by an unsized LIFO stack (hence the name, stack) of bytes, inspired by assembly languages. == Basic > 1696820554 169093 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lasagna14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117627&oldid=117626 5* 03Baltdev 5* (-168) 10 < 1696831358 927347 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:983d:c0f4:628b:69a4 JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1696831626 337399 :raz3time!~razetime@sd202148.hung.ab.nthu.edu.tw JOIN #esolangs razetime :realname < 1696831944 358758 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently FTP over NCP supported non-8-bit-bytes < 1696831953 763313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or at least that's my takeaway from " FTP: < 1696831953 893675 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs : This is specified in RFC 765. It is very similar to the FTP < 1696831953 899561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs : used with the NCP. The primary differences are that in < 1696831953 899602 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs : addition to the changes for Telnet, that the data channel is < 1696831953 899630 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs : limited to 8-bit bytes so FTP features to use other < 1696831954 782371 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs : transmission byte sizes are eliminated." < 1696831957 188487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc0801.txt < 1696833032 649335 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1696836198 612995 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-9-134.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1696836530 589023 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-9-134.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sgeo: I see that references RFC 765 -- I just looked at https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc0765.txt and it has a few interesting things to say about "byte size".  In one place it mentions "32-bit bytes". < 1696836580 79888 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-9-134.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Byte" was once a more flexible concept than it is today.  This also explains the prevalence of the word "octet" in some RFCs. < 1696836682 898478 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :9 bit bytes were popular for a while too < 1696836712 708111 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The C standard has a concept of a smallest addressable unit (tied to the size of a char), do *they* call that a byte? < 1696836805 994478 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-9-134.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: I think I've seen a spreadsheet have a locked area of some kind inside it, so that e.g. deleting a row in that area only affected that area and not the rest of the spreadsheet.  I'm not sure if there could be more than one of these in the spreadsheet at any given time though. < 1696836915 785999 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-9-134.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :And your idea seems to go beyond just that < 1696837166 899437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :Is there an RFC for NCP FTP? < 1696837220 167405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc959/2_Overview.html < 1696837271 151872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should sleep < 1696838199 425845 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1696838586 567511 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@188.64.15.98 JOIN #esolangs arseniiv :the chaotic arseniiv < 1696838592 338002 :river!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :how did they squeeze that extra bit in? must have been very tight < 1696838662 381185 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, computers were bigger then ;-) < 1696838675 465491 :river!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :hehe < 1696838958 243415 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:983d:c0f4:628b:69a4 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1696839358 315647 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.172 PRIVMSG #esolangs :river: they configured their RAM and peripherials to not use error correction bits, and use those as extra value bits instead. > 1696840758 557014 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117628&oldid=87216 5* 03PlaceReporter99 5* (+92) 10 > 1696841837 595975 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117629&oldid=117610 5* 03PlaceReporter99 5* (+20) 10 > 1696842116 460856 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117630&oldid=115435 5* 03PlaceReporter99 5* (+176) 10/* Prelude */ > 1696842140 674739 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117631&oldid=117630 5* 03PlaceReporter99 5* (+12) 10/* Python (Python 3) */ < 1696842799 825688 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1696843222 925664 :raz3time!~razetime@sd202148.hung.ab.nthu.edu.tw QUIT :Quit: Go back to your cringe 9 to 5. I'll be gaming. < 1696845382 784170 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:fd4b:6a58:e354:9589 JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1696847006 847810 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie < 1696848583 824474 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Moin > 1696848945 179352 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07List of quines14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117632&oldid=117631 5* 03None1 5* (+143) 10/* Python (Python 3) */ Added a much simpler one < 1696851157 812655 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-9-134.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are constants that aren't literals, but are there literals that aren't constants? < 1696851268 989335 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo JOIN #esolangs craigo :realname < 1696851492 875618 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :what about strings with interpolation in languages that allow it? < 1696852406 154418 :river!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :i think that you can redefine literals in python < 1696852408 150290 :river!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :so 0 = 3 < 1696852574 868230 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn PRIVMSG #esolangs :Only for the first 256(?) or so integers because those are cached somehow or something. < 1696852689 599792 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :[citation needed] > 1696852700 19276 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang talk:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117633&oldid=109336 5* 03PlaceReporter99 5* (+143) 10 < 1696852724 829948 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I imagine it's not an assignment but some direct poking into memory instead) < 1696852792 347980 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-9-134.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :You used to (in Python 2.x) be able to assign a different value to the boolean constants True and False < 1696852846 671493 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :my brain parsed "assignment" there as in a task/exercise < 1696852869 195566 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :which I mean, "find a way to redefine integer literals in python" might make a fun one < 1696852871 313824 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-9-134.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :For a non-constant literal I was thinking something like NOW as in "start_time = NOW;" < 1696852886 768751 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :__LINENO__? :p < 1696852889 886538 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(ok it < 1696852892 522286 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :'s a macro) < 1696852915 740638 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it's also __LINE__, but anyway) < 1696853004 306143 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-9-134.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"It's a macro" versus "it's a literal" is largely a matter of narrative... I think I'm going to consider __LINE__ the current reigning champion for this category > 1696853042 783310 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Palindrome14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117634&oldid=20090 5* 03None1 5* (+112) 10 < 1696853089 252233 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think "foo ${bar}" is the most "syntactic literal but its value is dynamic" in my book < 1696853283 328652 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer > 1696853456 545458 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:BF+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117635&oldid=113591 5* 03None1 5* (+182) 10/* palindrome */ new section > 1696855011 117937 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lasagna14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117636&oldid=117627 5* 03None1 5* (+23) 10 < 1696858033 618248 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-9-134.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1696858494 615822 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-80-47-5-146.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1696860985 777962 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:fd4b:6a58:e354:9589 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1696861006 384744 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:10f4:3c04:8ba6:7e9a JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1696861689 867853 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1696863408 772623 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainappend14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=117637 5* 03Joaozin003 5* (+979) 10Created page with "'''Brainappend''' is a [[brainfuck]] derivative by [[User:Joaozin003]], partly inspired by [[Vague]] where the braces ([ and ]) append their contents to the source code (including themselves). This makes looping much more difficult. == I < 1696867508 44514 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-80-47-5-146.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1696869164 459111 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie < 1696869432 789605 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam < 1696869465 705506 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.172 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1696869928 621396 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: The way I had meant though, is that, in my example, you can delete a data row from the zone row X, in which case the zone cells X:Y and X:TY now have one less data row, without leaving any gap, and likewise you can add new rows, and this won't damage any calculations. A calculation that refers to the number of rows in a zone will still work. < 1696869999 200459 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.172 JOIN #esolangs * :b_jonas < 1696870008 791519 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :And, data cells only contain data (but may also contain calculations, although usually calculations would be put in zone cells instead); other properties (formatting, validation, view mode, etc) would be properties of the zone grid and not of data cells. > 1696870279 531252 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03KeyScrew159 5* 10New user account > 1696870821 113691 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lasagna14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117638&oldid=117636 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+25) 10/* Instructions */ category > 1696870961 906529 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Woefully14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117639&oldid=52044 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+49) 10Categories < 1696872172 693449 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:10f4:3c04:8ba6:7e9a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1696876028 64201 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@188.64.15.98 QUIT :Quit: gone too far > 1696877985 194266 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xt14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=117640 5* 03Rehydratedmango 5* (+1635) 10create > 1696878050 255125 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117641&oldid=117522 5* 03Rehydratedmango 5* (+9) 10xt < 1696878318 613331 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-80-47-5-146.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1696878961 774087 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-80-47-5-146.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1696880400 615880 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-80-47-5-146.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey > 1696881322 583375 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainappend14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117642&oldid=117637 5* 03Joaozin003 5* (+39) 10added categories > 1696881399 297566 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117643&oldid=117641 5* 03Joaozin003 5* (+18) 10added brainappend > 1696881755 597730 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Joaozin00314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117644&oldid=112645 5* 03Joaozin003 5* (+47) 10added brainappend > 1696882221 471194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PTL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117645&oldid=110710 5* 03Joaozin003 5* (+19) 10examples section > 1696882385 78708 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:List of ideas14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117646&oldid=110329 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+126) 10 > 1696882901 371554 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117647&oldid=99703 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+334) 10j > 1696882922 802467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117648&oldid=117647 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+16) 10formatting fail > 1696882936 869811 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Aadenboy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117649&oldid=117648 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+4) 10formatting fail TWO! > 1696883027 483639 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainappend14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117650&oldid=117642 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+45) 10Categories > 1696883125 983206 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Xt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117651&oldid=117640 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+120) 10See also, categories > 1696883239 180463 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07PLAWIHA14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117652&oldid=101532 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+24) 10Category < 1696883415 593237 :Koen!~Koen@78.199.192.3 JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1696884510 813529 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1696885481 383243 :craigo!~craigo@user/craigo QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1696886198 78307 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117653&oldid=117643 5* 03Melvin 5* (+14) 10/* J */ < 1696886200 780461 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity > 1696887329 546908 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jottary14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=117654 5* 03Melvin 5* (+1503) 10Implemented Jottary > 1696887451 935012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jottary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117655&oldid=117654 5* 03Melvin 5* (+4) 10/* Converting Jot to Jottary */ > 1696887571 35340 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jottary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117656&oldid=117655 5* 03Melvin 5* (+3) 10 > 1696887762 974517 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jot14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117657&oldid=87473 5* 03Melvin 5* (+37) 10/* Related languages */ > 1696887992 643038 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jottary14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117658&oldid=117656 5* 03Melvin 5* (+4) 10's > 1696889028 448850 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pairpointing14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117659&oldid=117285 5* 03Fazaazafg 5* (+164) 10/* Pairs */ > 1696889378 769986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pairpointing14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117660&oldid=117659 5* 03Fazaazafg 5* (+170) 10/* Examples */ > 1696889395 46324 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pairpointing14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117661&oldid=117660 5* 03Fazaazafg 5* (+2) 10/* Examples */ > 1696889412 496858 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Pairpointing14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117662&oldid=117661 5* 03Fazaazafg 5* (-1) 10/* Examples */ < 1696889450 734300 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1696890369 879796 :Koen!~Koen@78.199.192.3 QUIT :Quit: Leaving... < 1696890511 456599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname > 1696892845 370782 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Aadenboy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117663&oldid=107971 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+97) 10 > 1696892861 78080 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Aadenboy14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117664&oldid=117663 5* 03Aadenboy 5* (+1) 10formatting fail > 1696893049 669843 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Jottary14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117665&oldid=117658 5* 03Melvin 5* (+8) 10 > 1696895929 574326 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Sam137 5* 10New user account