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03:02:03 <esolangs> [[Lasagna]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=117626 * Baltdev * (+9940) Created page with "=== Note === This article is copied from the [https://github.com/balt-dev/Lasagna GitHub repository]. = Lasagna = Lasagna is an esoteric programming language defined by an unsized LIFO stack (hence the name, stack) of bytes, inspired by assembly languages. == Basic
03:02:34 <esolangs> [[Lasagna]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117627&oldid=117626 * Baltdev * (-168)
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06:12:24 <Sgeo> Apparently FTP over NCP supported non-8-bit-bytes
06:12:33 <Sgeo> Or at least that's my takeaway from " FTP:
06:12:33 <Sgeo> This is specified in RFC 765. It is very similar to the FTP
06:12:33 <Sgeo> used with the NCP. The primary differences are that in
06:12:33 <Sgeo> addition to the changes for Telnet, that the data channel is
06:12:33 <Sgeo> limited to 8-bit bytes so FTP features to use other
06:12:34 <Sgeo> transmission byte sizes are eliminated."
06:12:37 <Sgeo> https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc0801.txt
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07:28:50 <cpressey> Sgeo: I see that references RFC 765 -- I just looked at https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc0765.txt and it has a few interesting things to say about "byte size". In one place it mentions "32-bit bytes".
07:29:40 <cpressey> "Byte" was once a more flexible concept than it is today. This also explains the prevalence of the word "octet" in some RFCs.
07:31:22 <int-e> 9 bit bytes were popular for a while too
07:31:52 <int-e> The C standard has a concept of a smallest addressable unit (tied to the size of a char), do *they* call that a byte?
07:33:25 <cpressey> zzo38: I think I've seen a spreadsheet have a locked area of some kind inside it, so that e.g. deleting a row in that area only affected that area and not the rest of the spreadsheet. I'm not sure if there could be more than one of these in the spreadsheet at any given time though.
07:35:15 <cpressey> And your idea seems to go beyond just that
07:39:26 <Sgeo> Is there an RFC for NCP FTP?
07:40:20 <Sgeo> https://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc959/2_Overview.html
07:41:11 <Sgeo> I should sleep
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08:03:12 <river> how did they squeeze that extra bit in? must have been very tight
08:04:22 <int-e> well, computers were bigger then ;-)
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08:15:58 <b_jonas> river: they configured their RAM and peripherials to not use error correction bits, and use those as extra value bits instead.
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11:32:37 <cpressey> There are constants that aren't literals, but are there literals that aren't constants?
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11:38:12 <FireFly> what about strings with interpolation in languages that allow it?
11:53:26 <river> i think that you can redefine literals in python
11:56:14 <__monty__> Only for the first 256(?) or so integers because those are cached somehow or something.
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11:58:44 <int-e> (I imagine it's not an assignment but some direct poking into memory instead)
11:59:52 <cpressey> You used to (in Python 2.x) be able to assign a different value to the boolean constants True and False
12:00:46 <FireFly> my brain parsed "assignment" there as in a task/exercise
12:01:09 <FireFly> which I mean, "find a way to redefine integer literals in python" might make a fun one
12:01:11 <cpressey> For a non-constant literal I was thinking something like NOW as in "start_time = NOW;"
12:01:55 <FireFly> (it's also __LINE__, but anyway)
12:03:24 <cpressey> "It's a macro" versus "it's a literal" is largely a matter of narrative... I think I'm going to consider __LINE__ the current reigning champion for this category
12:04:02 <esolangs> [[Talk:Palindrome]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=117634&oldid=20090 * None1 * (+112)
12:04:49 <FireFly> I think "foo ${bar}" is the most "syntactic literal but its value is dynamic" in my book
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16:45:28 <zzo38> cpressey: The way I had meant though, is that, in my example, you can delete a data row from the zone row X, in which case the zone cells X:Y and X:TY now have one less data row, without leaving any gap, and likewise you can add new rows, and this won't damage any calculations. A calculation that refers to the number of rows in a zone will still work.
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16:46:48 <zzo38> And, data cells only contain data (but may also contain calculations, although usually calculations would be put in zone cells instead); other properties (formatting, validation, view mode, etc) would be properties of the zone grid and not of data cells.
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