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02:20:20 <zzo38> If making a terminal emulator, how many bytes per character cell are needed? (My guess at this time is 1 byte for ASCII character code, 4 bytes for TRON character code, 1 byte for colours, and 2 bytes for attributes. (Pictures (e.g. sixel) can be stored separately.) However, I am not sure how many attributes are needed, and I also am not sure if it should need a different data structure entirely.)
02:36:41 <ais523> attributes might need more than two bytes, even if you're doing only 8 colors – there are a lot of possible attributes (dim/normal/bold, no/single/double underscore, italic, blink, reverse, fgcolor, bgcolor)
02:37:05 <ais523> but there are codes for 24-bit color in common use
02:37:51 <ais523> also bear in mind that not all characters take up a single character cell, for example CJK characters normally take up two adjacent cells
02:38:19 <ais523> …and if you support combining characters, there might be multiple characters in the same cell
02:39:36 <ais523> the other thing I'd advise is that there's a standard for terminal codes which specifies (among other things) how to lex and parse them – this is useful to know where an unknown code ends
02:40:33 <ais523> it's here: https://www.ecma-international.org/wp-content/uploads/ECMA-48_5th_edition_june_1991.pdf
02:41:30 <ais523> although it's hard to read, because the character codes are written in decimal-coded hexadecimal (e.g. "A", which has code 41 in hexadecimal, is written as "04/01")
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02:54:55 <zzo38> I know that some characters might take up multiple cells (either because of the character code or because it is in double width mode), so that would be some of the attribute bits too. I would have no intention to support combining characters though.
03:01:00 <ais523> the 75th and 76th pages of my link, numbered "61" and "62", have a list of the standard attributes (although most terminal editors don't support all of them)
03:01:53 <ais523> and 38/48, which define colors more precisely than the other color codes, are widely implemented but terminal emulators don't fully agree on the details
03:01:56 <zzo38> Also I think some new escape codes might be useful to be defined, such as a "universal escape" code which is recognized even in the middle of other codes (this might be useful for security purposes and possibly others). Escape codes might also be needed for some other character encodings.
03:02:22 <ais523> there is a separate standard for character encodings
03:02:46 <ais523> that lists how they are specified to a terminal
03:02:56 <ais523> although, it predates Unicode really catching on
03:04:53 <zzo38> I think I have seen some other specifications somewhere for selecting the PC character encoding and selecting Commodore character encoding, although I am not sure if they are true ANSI or ISO, and may be only used with BBS. I should also want to add a escape code to select TRON-8 encoding (which requires 7-bit controls). (EUC-TRON can use the same code as EUC-JP, but also requires 7-bit controls to be selected to use EUC-TRON.)
03:05:31 <zzo38> (And then, I think there is also the "doorway mode")
03:07:37 <zzo38> About the attributes, probably not all of them are needed, although I specified using a separate byte for colours than the other attributes. Some attributes are probably mutually exclusive so do not need as many bits.
03:10:09 <ais523> yes, and many of the SGR codes are to turn off specific attributes rather than turn them on
03:11:03 <zzo38> Yes, I know that, too.
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03:36:19 <zzo38> What are the proper escape codes to select EUC encodings, anyways? Also, which "designate other coding system with standard return" codes are defined and which are not defined?
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16:22:45 <cpressey> Spent a good chunk of time today writing an AST transformation to turn loops into recursive procedures, yet it doesn't seem to have solved my backtracking problem. I now think the problem isn't where I thought it was, so all that was for nought.
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18:25:59 <cpressey> It's something to do with "choice point scope" being only a single production due to the way the engine traverses the AST. To get around that I'd need to... convert productions to CPS? This is slightly weird. Would it be equivalent to compiling the grammar to a PDA?
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