> 1700611208 435860 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Von Neumann's 29-state cellular automaton14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119787&oldid=66040 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+31) 10Category < 1700619695 184749 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit > 1700620186 1986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stick14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119788&oldid=118900 5* 03PaxtonPenguin 5* (-42) 10 > 1700623008 138412 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Game of Life14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119789&oldid=97538 5* 03Para 5* (+2) 10 < 1700639190 737089 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1700640256 414200 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:48d5:42f3:2be6:5074 JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1700640369 752212 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz… < 1700654687 258143 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1700657727 797063 :Koen!~Koen@78.199.192.3 JOIN #esolangs * :Koen > 1700658993 535685 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck code generation14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119794&oldid=117190 5* 03Mayedl10 5* (+152) 10/* Languages that compile to brainfuck */ > 1700661602 772888 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template talk:Py14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119795&oldid=119757 5* 03Lilchiky 5* (+123) 10 < 1700662519 780752 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1291 < 1700662522 38079 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist : shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1700663609 62232 :Koen!~Koen@78.199.192.3 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1700664660 628343 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1700665477 533856 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1700666798 778809 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-116-101.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1700667073 880501 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1700667096 448222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo PRIVMSG #esolangs :`olist 1291 < 1700667098 501194 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :olist : shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly boily nortti b_jonas < 1700668377 798302 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-116-101.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1700669992 644599 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-116-101.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds) < 1700671203 871745 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-116-101.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1700672597 180339 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1700675180 824103 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-116-101.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1700675386 864486 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1700676724 743510 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1700678071 835015 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stakc14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119796&oldid=108236 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (-2) 10 < 1700680049 367910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lesson learned... sometimes when a puzzle doesn't work out it's just because you're too stupid :) < 1700680528 223276 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that still shapez? < 1700680558 258321 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. < 1700680785 632166 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you don't mind spoilers: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-copy-hard.png ...the puzzle is on top (make a logo shape in an 18x2 block, taking a white circle and grey square from the left (circle on top) and producing the logo shape in the top-right); my attempts were based on an intermediate shape with one small square raised... I took a long time to realize that there's one more degree of... < 1700680791 623834 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...freedom while sticking to the same basic recipe and that would save one column so it actually fits. < 1700680809 611616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And unfortunately for the game, the sub-optimal recipe is good enough to cheese the puzzle. < 1700680954 851097 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And as I've mentioned before,I know for a fact that *some* (presumably older) puzzles must be cheesed. And I don't know how to tell the difference. < 1700681081 846572 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-116-101.as13285.net JOIN #esolangs cpressey :[https://web.libera.chat] cpressey < 1700681423 93926 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But does that also apply to https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-easy-11.png ...I have no clue... < 1700681621 855184 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The "obvious" thing doesn't work... https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-easy-11-fail.png ...you either have to do some very awkward routing or use the dhnqphggre) < 1700681926 771146 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And one way to cheese the level looks like this: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-easy-11-cheese.png (buffer items and then modify the level to actually deliver products) < 1700682008 194668 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION shrugs < 1700682025 500799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Somehow I'm still playing these so they can't be too terrible, right? < 1700682482 420489 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that means that's a well-constructed puzzle, not only you can solve it without cheese it also taught you something < 1700682498 648684 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the previous one that's 2 high that is < 1700682530 87432 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you can't tell in advance which puzzle is good < 1700682811 354070 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah that's my real complaint. (And *some* of the forced cheeses are actually interesting too. But it's a very different flavor of puzzle.) < 1700682908 36346 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll just repeat that Puzzletory the Factorio mod is a collection of puzzles that does not allow this kind of cheese, because you can't change anything while your solution is evaluated < 1700682949 863690 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course you'll have to know some of the mechanics of Factorio to play them, and they can sometimes be just as crazy as shapez's mechanics, only usually for very different reasons < 1700683538 544626 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :In any case, there's just enough degrees of freedom in this puzzle that I'm not 100% sure that cheesing is necessary. I've even found a second way to do the routing that involves a double painter. Which may have been the intended way because it buffers more items... < 1700683543 72603 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :/may/ < 1700683683 628537 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like this: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-easy-11-cheesier.png < 1700683708 280054 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(interestingly, splitters are disabled for this one) < 1700683771 175174 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but cutters can act like splitters if the shapes fit cleanly left and right; there are several puzzles using that idea) < 1700683794 721627 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1700684169 446090 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a double painter used in a somewhat unusual way > 1700684237 679667 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07NNYRLD14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119797&oldid=106974 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+47) 10Categories < 1700684257 805283 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: since the puzzle mode doesn't have mergers... this comes up quite a bit. < 1700684304 634561 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least it's a bit more clunky than the standard mergers so it's not completely overused :) < 1700685928 268595 :DemonDerg!A_D@libera/staff/dragon NICK :FestiveDemonDerg < 1700686049 53785 :FestiveDemonDerg!A_D@libera/staff/dragon NICK :FestiveDragon < 1700686290 326452 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:d115:ecfe:1ef4:7596 JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie < 1700692704 821204 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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