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< 1701185855 863263 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-86-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas, tromp: Thank you for the discussion yesterday. There's a tradition in functional programming languages for function values to be opaque and it was useful for me to have it hammered home that this is *not* a heritage from the lambda calculus
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< 1701189336 852102 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :As far as I know, function values are opaque mostly for convenience, because it's hard to define a stable interface to examine a function that still allows your language to be extended with new features that you can use in a function and/or new optimizations. Functions are kind-of opaque in C too. In theory if you're on a specific architecture, there's nothing stopping you from reading the bytes of the 
< 1701189342 893717 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :code of a function (and everything else that it references), because the CPU rules and the ABI are known, it's just that there's not much useful that you can do with that other than reverse-engineering and malware detection.
< 1701189383 409873 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not just the code, mind you, you can also read all the debug information that's compiled for your executable.
< 1701189414 431574 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :With full debug information, you can find out about the prototype of the function, all its local variables and how they're represented at runtime, etc.
< 1701189520 119014 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then there's perl, which has the O module that lets you examine the insides of functions (it lets you examine basically all of perl's internals, but the inside of functions is the important part here).
< 1701189550 157559 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Occasionally people even do something weird with this.
< 1701189578 908202 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The J language also lets you examine the insides of user-defined functions.
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< 1701192536 905158 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :In PostScript they can be examined (and modified) by default but you can write "executeonly" to prevent them from being examined in this way. (Although I think some instruction sets also have a "execute only" mode, or at least to prevent reading by anyone other than that function itself?)
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< 1701192658 385581 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as far as I recall, some processor architectures support pages with execute right but no read rights, but x86 doesn't
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< 1701196459 137186 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also the (pure) Harvard vs. von Neumann architecture split, where the former have (conceptually) separate instruction and data memories, and you can't inspect the code of a function, at least without using whatever escape hatch the particular architecture offers to make it possible to dynamically load programs in the first place.
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< 1701199738 711405 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think some computers have a pin for program/data so that it is possible to be implemented separately or not separately.
< 1701199743 319166 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: there are systems where code and data are separate but you can read both (with different instructions), but I'm not sure those would count as Harvard
< 1701199787 214718 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :funnily there are also multiple systems (mostly old with small amount of memory) where data and stack are separate (so that the CPU can implement the stack efficiently)
< 1701199806 640530 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there's one new one among those with data and stack separate: MMIX
< 1701199835 179782 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :older ones include Forth and some old microprocessors
< 1701199858 510575 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :heck, Forth is even funnier because it has a heap, data stack, and return stack all separate
< 1701199888 952804 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Many VMs also have data and stack separate (even if the program is not separate), such as: uxn, Z-machine, etc
< 1701199985 818443 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then there's Borland C's small memory model, where code, data, and stack are in separate segments, and pointers know which segment they refer to in type, which has the interesting consequence that scanf can only read into values on the stack. 
< 1701200110 269459 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :That is true on PC even if you are not writing in C, although it is possible to assign them to the same segments too
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< 1701200503 521248 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Magic-1 has separate address space for data and code, mostly because the addresses are just 16 bit wide so the address space is small. both of them are paged. and there's a CPU instruction for reading from code. well, two, because there's an 8-bit and a 16-bit code read instruction.
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