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< 1700267837 899447 :qaziquza!~qaziquza@108-216-110-132.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :That'd be me. :P
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< 1700268332 330705 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :qaziquza: welcome!
< 1700268375 244592 :qaziquza!~qaziquza@108-216-110-132.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Glad to be here. I've been reading the wiki for, I dunno, 2 years now, lol.
< 1700268407 864677 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used to keep up with the whole thing, but the pace of changes is a bit too high nowadays
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< 1700268473 522831 :qaziquza!~qaziquza@108-216-110-132.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I imagine the influx is from codegolfers, in some part?
< 1700268497 270576 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :possibly – although many of them don't post their languages here
< 1700268529 454581 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it mostly seems to be very young/new programmers showing off their first languages (which are often incredibly simple/basic but we allow those here all the same)
< 1700268564 721966 :qaziquza!~qaziquza@108-216-110-132.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Guilty, I'll admit, once upon a time.
< 1700268571 176614 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so if you read absolutely everything, it gets a bit repetitive seeing the 1000th version of brainfuck or deadfish with commands added, or sometimes commands removed
< 1700268595 395215 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but, the Esolang wiki was born out of a desire to allow people to host languages that other people found unimportant
< 1700268652 274860 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm sure that other people can get just as bored when I make 10 slightly different variations on tag systems or counter machines :-)
< 1700268736 52521 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess my esolang specialism has become "designing languages to prove other languages Turing-complete"
< 1700268745 566797 :qaziquza!~qaziquza@108-216-110-132.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Honestly, I really enjoy those variations because of the minimalism and the conceptual beauty
< 1700268799 696085 :qaziquza!~qaziquza@108-216-110-132.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Adding a couple of commands to brainfuck takes a tinge less effort than proving some variation on the Waterfall model TC
< 1700268839 714335 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's what I like about it too
< 1700268869 63079 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but also, there generally seems to be a "best version" of many tarpits but you don't discover it until you seriously try to use it in lots of different concepts
< 1700268874 166253 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :* different contexts
< 1700268909 86532 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. Spiral Rise's "add the remainder to the quotient" seems arbitrary, but in at least two very different contexts, it turned out to be the natural/default behaviour of an interpreter, and that really got me thinking about what division actually is
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< 1700269000 113950 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yep. it took more than half a year after I got the idea for Consumer Society to find the minimal language in it, and even now I'm not sure I've settled on the ideal form because there are like several bits of arbitrary choices that I can make for it.
< 1700269014 15908 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should document all the choices, but even so I'll have a canonical version
< 1700269048 291842 :qaziquza!~qaziquza@108-216-110-132.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Consumer Society? 'Fraid I
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< 1700269062 231864 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a language that I haven't released yet
< 1700269064 270340 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas has been talking about it in this channel for ages, but hasn't told anyone how it works
< 1700269078 78006 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's a mystery to all but one of us
< 1700269142 73332 :qaziquza!~qaziquza@108-216-110-132.lightspeed.sndgca.sbcglobal.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, I suppose I'll wait ;p
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> 1700309708 384140 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SBFM14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119569 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* (+536) 10Created page with "'''SBFM''' (Strange brainfuck minimalizations) are brainfuck minimalizations created by [[User:ChuckEsoteric08]] ==Notes== Note that in all of them loops are only run if they are not empty ==SMBFM-1== > - move pointer right { - flip bit and start while not zero lo
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< 1700392088 496236 :Europe2048!~Europe204@partnerless.heel.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi everyone!
< 1700392226 127207 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi Europe2048!
< 1700393290 221121 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, here's what's on my mind today. Often, if I'm constructing an expression, I do it from the bottom upwards. I introduce "3", then I introduce "5", then I introduce "+" and in so doing, convert all that to "3+5".
< 1700393313 638125 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :But what about named things? I introduce "3", then I introduce "x", then "+" to get "3+x", and then I introduce "lambda x" to get "lambda x: 3+x".
< 1700393337 171916 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :At the point at which I introduce x I don't know very much about it, it's a so-called "free variable". Only when I introduce "lambda x" do I learn more about it, and that instance of x turns into a "bound variable".
< 1700393352 203143 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :My thought is: maybe if I did these things in a different, non-bottom-up order, I wouldn't have to consider x to be a "free variable" at *any* point. It could start out bound and stay bound.
< 1700393983 985877 :Europe2048!~Europe204@partnerless.heel.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :What are free and bound variables?
< 1700394149 702277 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Europe2048: In the expression "lambda x: x + y", x is a bound variable and y is a free variable.
< 1700394150 235470 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :x is a bound variable because we can see in the expression where it gets its value from (it's an argument to the lambda function).
< 1700394150 703169 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :y is a free variable because we can't see where it gets its value from.
< 1700394196 737478 :Europe2048!~Europe204@partnerless.heel.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :So for example, in lambda a: a * b, a is a bound variable and y is a free variable, right?
< 1700394204 208135 :Europe2048!~Europe204@partnerless.heel.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b is a free variable*
< 1700394225 260100 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Europe2048: Yes.
< 1700394240 373792 :Europe2048!~Europe204@partnerless.heel.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Are both variables bound in this expression?
< 1700394243 802397 :Europe2048!~Europe204@partnerless.heel.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lambda ab: a + b
< 1700394298 286530 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Python would want it to be "lambda a, b: a + b"... but yes.
< 1700394333 930551 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Both variables are bound in this expression, too:
< 1700394334 482019 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :lambda a: lambda b: a + b
< 1700394342 773297 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :They're bound to different lambdas though.
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< 1700394747 961039 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, I'm now pretty sure that my earlier thought is not very helpful. Expressions are trees, sometimes you want to traverse them bottom-up, other times you want to traverse them top-down, and either way there is usually some context that you need to keep track of when you do that.
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< 1700395986 976305 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :esolangs: such an odd venue, isn't it...
< 1700396068 238796 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do hope the Schroeder-Bernstein theorem has something to do with playing West Side Story on a toy piano.
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< 1700396219 633250 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :That page isn't about a language though, it's about the theorem from set theory which apparently they formalized in a proof assistant (they're obviously not the first to do that either)
< 1700396259 816637 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So... meh. Probably a bit better than the 10 millionth Brainfuck clone, but those are on topic.
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< 1700398117 138653 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: I think you address something very interesting with this
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< 1700402487 912499 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: I also think it's very interesting but I think the best I could do is to show that the situation can't really be helped.
< 1700403168 679772 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :You could have something that introduces a bound variable and its binder (like "lambda x: x") And then something that transforms an expression with bound variables into a different expression with bound variables. But the best way to do the latter seems to be to, well, use a lambda function.
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< 1700403441 683868 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :well there are combinators, then you never have lambda binders
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> 1700403875 836680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Right14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119685&oldid=119684 5* 03D 5* (+7) 10Let's add another marker.
< 1700403949 59170 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure, but with combinators, you've eliminated names entirely, which feels like bypassing the problem rather than addressing it directly (e.g. giving a system in which there are names but they're always bound variables and never free variables.)
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< 1700411983 604375 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-7-220-37.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"You've tried OCaml (Objective Caml), now try SCaml (Subjective Caml). The great thing about SCaml is that, at the end of the day, the meaning of a program is really up to you!"
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< 1700416243 69137 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: But I wanted a dromdary.
< 1700416402 869175 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: you'll have to ask the perl folks for one
< 1700416493 395037 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think they have a full dromedary.
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< 1700440905 916449 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: https://old.reddit.com/r/shapezio/comments/17xii4g/can_anyone_please_tell_me_why_my_max_rate_is_20/k9yia09/ (I figured out where that odd 25% speedup in balancers comes from in shapez.io and why it turns into a slowdown after reaching 10x, including a formula)
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< 1700442371 363548 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(This took me way too long. On the other hand, this is the thing that has been bothering me the most about this game so far, so I'm glad I finally figured it out.)
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< 1700500269 613836 :Europe2048!~Europe204@partnerless.heel.volia.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi!
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< 1700501255 268119 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hi
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< 1700501493 480207 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I sometimes find it hard to believe that Robin Milner built a theorem prover based on unpublished work by Dana Scott. I also find it hard to believe that he invented polymorphic typing (and a whole new language to put it in) merely because he wanted this theorem prover to have user-extensible tactics. This whole narrative smells funny, if you
< 1700501493 939165 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :ask me.
< 1700501675 946339 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :theorem provers seem to have driven a whole genre of languages with weird type systems
> 1700501821 724682 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Stackish14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119736 5* 03Baltdev 5* (+171) 10Created page with "I clicked random esolang and was brought here. Since the original implementation is a dead link, I'm creating my own. ~~~"
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< 1700509893 749825 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm joking of course, but there is one part of the narrative that I do take exception to, which is that Milner designed ML to be statically typed (or "strongly typed" or "strictly typed") because this was a necessity for implementing LCF-style theorem proving. It's not. You can implement information hiding in a dynamically typed (or "weakly
< 1700509894 249830 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :typed") language.
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< 1700516130 146624 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :> You can implement information hiding in a dynamically typed (or "weakly typed") language
< 1700516130 697299 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Granted, the weaker the type enforcement, the more fiddly it becomes. And most dynamically typed languages actually have "strong" typing in the sense that you can't cast values to types that would violate their memory storage model (like pointers). But I think that even at the weakest level you could implement, say, cryptographic methods, to
< 1700516131 181157 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :prevent unauthorized access to the internals of an abstract data type.
< 1700516131 666059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:38: error: parse error on input ‘in’
< 1700516253 423563 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not that it makes any sense to go that far.
< 1700516350 29969 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :A lot of languages have opaque data in the form of function values. I wonder if function pointers would be enough. Especially if you could actually allocate new functions at runtime, in protected memory, so that once they're created the memory they occupy cannot be written to.
< 1700516502 360305 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because there's nothing wrong with reading the values (or bytes) of an abstract data structure. It's modifying or creating a new instance of one without using the official methods for doing so, that needs to be prevented.
< 1700516856 94867 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"nothing wrong with reading the values (or bytes) of an abstract data structure" => sure there is, it leads to the maintainer of that data type not being able to improve the implementation without incompatibility because the users rely on some implementation detail that wasn't supposed to be part of the public API.
< 1700516937 543412 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but of course a dynamically typed language can still allow to create new algebraic structure constructors with fields that aren't publicly readable, if you want to hide information that way, this just requires a memory-safe language, not a strongly typed one
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< 1700518517 567199 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can also do inside-out structures, as in a separate table that stores the actual attribute of the objects, and you index into it by the address of the object or by an index stored in the object, so that users can't see the attributes by just looking inside the object, but this too is only as useful as private fields in the structures, since a user may also be able to find the tables unless the
< 1700518523 510146 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :language gives some way to hide them
< 1700518588 31315 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on the flip side, you could have a statically typed language that has no information hiding, where a user can always access the fields or create instances of data types that a module defines
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< 1700526346 763353 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :question on stackexchange today: "is there a language like haskell, but that allows pattern matching on arbitrary expressions instead of just constructors?"
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< 1700526478 425642 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it depends on how arbitrary you want to get
< 1700526488 922867 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, do you want to be able to match 2 against x+1 and end up with the binding x=1?
< 1700526507 462716 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1700526508 701756 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that taken to its extremes would be pretty esoteric
< 1700526527 344932 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are Prolog dialects that aim to do something like that, but there are a lot of complexities and caveats
< 1700526538 922807 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the syntax is a bit inconvenient
< 1700526540 279218 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I guess it would involve a solver every time you try to pattern match
< 1700526581 397915 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just so you can write stuff like addOne (x-1) = x
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< 1700526687 471623 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so I guess it would involve a solver every time you try to pattern match
< 1700526688 895947 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :just so you can write stuff like addOne (x-1) = x
< 1700526746 800192 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently you can pattern match on functions in Curry, but I guess only if the functions do nothing more than add constructors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry_(programming_language)#Functional_patterns
< 1700527246 537598 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Koen: firstly, Haskell would have a syntactic problem with this because if you try to use a function call as a pattern then it'll try to define the function in the head of that call. secondly, I think this isn't possible in general because you can set up some stupid paradox,
< 1700527394 273664 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like try to match `[f ()] = [False]` but with the function f defined so that it returns True if that same match matches, like `f () = case False of { [f ()] -> True; _ -> False; }`
< 1700527409 713513 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no sorry, `f () = case [False] of { [f ()] -> True; _ -> False; }`
< 1700527441 782695 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, that's violent
< 1700527496 136496 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking more simples issues like squareRoot (x^2) = x
< 1700527501 65880 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :perhaps you can define the rules such that this is just an infinite loop, but I don't think you can get a sane matching from this
< 1700527520 690188 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :eh, we can solve a square root, that's a well-known problem
< 1700527590 558010 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, you might also give the match problems that are slow to solve, like [x * y] = some large composite number
< 1700527605 289446 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even ones that are well-defined but much slower to solve than factoring
< 1700527605 422372 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well yes but returning -3 or 3 for squareRoot 9 would both be correcrt
< 1700527627 233278 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, sometimes there can be multiple matches
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< 1700527708 845498 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you want to mention that paradox at https://langdev.stackexchange.com/questions/3194/are-there-haskell-like-languages-where-equations-allow-for-arbitrary-left-hand-s I think it would be a great answer
< 1700527734 242700 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I didn't ask the question, just stumbled upon it and thought that was something for #esolangs)
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< 1700527996 324451 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess in the spriti of Raymond Smullyan I should suggest `f () = case [False] of { you pay me a million dollars -> False; [f ()] -> True; _ -> False; }` in which case to evaluate `f ()` the interpreter must make you to pay me a million dollars
< 1700528007 645709 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because otherwise you get a paradox
< 1700528024 868982 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's not clear if you can do something like that into a purely functional language like Haskell
< 1700528101 223771 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs : Definitions and prescriptions in the rules are only to be applied using direct, forward reasoning; in particular, an absurdity that can be concluded from the assumption that a statement about rule-defined concepts is false does not constitute proof that it is true.
< 1700528153 651028 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Agora decided that just because it's *possible* to resolve something to a truth value doesn't necessarily mean you *should*
< 1700528187 586638 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like, it makes more sense to conclude that the function doesn't evaluate to anything than to pay you a million dollars to make it evaluable
< 1700528202 576057 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, smullyan gives that lesson in one exercise
< 1700528346 351188 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in chapter 5 of "What is the name of this book?"
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< 1700528984 547422 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes
< 1700529004 56373 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I read something like that like two days ago
< 1700529146 114278 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had only ever read "the lady or the tiger" and last week I decided to get what is the name of this book in ebook
< 1700529244 86153 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the lady and the tiger might also have that lesson somewhere. I don't remember everything in the books off-hand.
< 1700529280 463018 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :i remember most of the riddles being extremely easy up to a point
< 1700529285 306047 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then suddenly becoming impossible
< 1700529336 655797 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like for two thirds of the book it's just small variations on "there are three people in front of you. the first one says that the second one is lying. hte second one says..." etc
< 1700529385 612276 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:b00d:bb02:8745:36c8 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and then suddenly it's "a princess is exchanging secret codes with her suitor. can you break the code (and prove godel's theorem)?"
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< 1700556976 559567 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs : "nothing wrong with reading the values (or bytes) of an abstract data structure" => sure there is, it leads to the maintainer of that data type not being able to improve the implementation without incompatibility <-- Okay, I was thinking in terms of the integrity of the data structure when I wrote that, not software engineering issues. I
< 1700556977 53488 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :grant that the phrase "nothing wrong" was too sweeping. It was late.
< 1700557070 964752 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even "software engineering issues" is probably interpretable, maybe "programming-in-the-large" would be more specific
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> 1700562716 81981 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Template talk:Py14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119757&oldid=119716 5* 03None1 5* (+198) 10You convert to wiki formatting locally first
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> 1700565743 182598 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Alphuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119760&oldid=89425 5* 03None1 5* (+23) 10/* Hello, World! program */
> 1700565814 697425 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Cutw14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119761 5* 03None1 5* (+160) 10Created page with "I came here from random page and wanted to make an interpreter for this esolang. --~~~~"
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< 1700566216 725889 :APic!apic@apic.name PRIVMSG #esolangs :Moin
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< 1700566572 462354 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs : this just requires a memory-safe language, not a strongly typed one <--- Thing is, "strongly typed" is not very well defined, and in practice it seems to mean "disallows 'dangerous' type casts" which seems to boil down to "memory-safe"
< 1700566744 693565 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: that's definitely not what I think of as strongly typed. by strongly typed I mean statically typed, the types determined at compile time
< 1700566801 215555 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :C is statically typed but widely regarded as weakly typed because you can cast anything to anything
< 1700566949 645080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also unions
< 1700566955 149978 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which suggests the essence of "weak vs strong" has nothing really to do with when you apply the type checking but rather what the type checking prevents. Lots of dynamically typed languages would have strong typing under this interpretation.
< 1700567016 711417 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"my types are stronger than yours"
< 1700567021 693488 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Except for the fact that you can inevitably link in C libraries and call out to C functions in these languages, which destroys all these properties, but we're going to ignore that, right
< 1700567099 74496 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, it's all microservices now, which permit a most excellent form of information hiding: the internals of this data structure are on a different machine entirely
< 1700567128 23487 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's also an expressiveness angle mixed into strength sometimes
< 1700567179 824135 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(there is a connection... the more expressive the type system, the less need you'll have for casts)
< 1700567239 864367 :MizMahem!sid296354@user/mizmahem QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1700567286 193373 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(C may be strongly typed but then you also have void * everywhere connected to heap management... and the compiler won't save you when you cast the wrong thing)
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< 1700567371 473633 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :memory safety isn't just about casting anything to anything else, as you know, it's also about not indexing out of arrays, and about not dereferencing stale pointers
> 1700567398 242697 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wymaewyha14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119765 5* 03Yes 5* (+694) 10Created page with "Wymaewyha stands for When You Make An Esolang When Your Half Asleep
It is a brainfuck deteritave by [[User:Yes]] that was probably made when he was half asleep.
It is what it sounds like. Commands
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< 1700567414 63270 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm sure memory safety means different things to different people too.
> 1700567422 754034 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119766&oldid=107502 5* 03Yes 5* (+19) 10
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< 1700567459 196086 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And you don't need strong types for that, see Python. Or, hell, Lisp if we want ancient history.
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< 1700567684 261999 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes. the two are different. that's what I was trying to say earlier.
< 1700567695 642969 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but apparently we thought of different things as strong typing.
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> 1700567771 775749 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07lang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119769&oldid=119768 5* 03Yes 5* (+11) 10not sure why i named it specs in the first place so changed it to "possible outputs"
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< 1700568935 288241 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is why, over time, I've become more and mroe careful to say "statically typed" when I mean statically typed, and "the type system allows and prevents " when I'm talking about what the type system can and can't do
< 1700569110 30562 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The thing here is a narrative where people are using these nonspecific terms (like "strong" and "strict") and making claims under them (that you need "strong" or "strict" typing to correctly implement the LCF architecture, basically)
< 1700569353 680694 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(And by "people" I mean, like, Lawrence Paulson and Michael Gordon! If you have a page on Wikipedia identifying you as a computer scientist I expect a certain level of rigour, y'know?)
< 1700569459 50999 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you could *probably* implement the LCF architecture in untyped lambda calculus.
< 1700569462 53616 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am tempted to try.
< 1700569491 450613 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would need a refresher course in all that Church encoding stuff.
< 1700569663 437591 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ML translates to System F (preserving types) which has subject reduction so you can erase types. But the types are crucial to the correctness. Also the module system for encapsulating internals of proofs and theorems, preventing you from injecting axioms without going through the dedicated function for that.
< 1700569684 228583 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So, yes and no. As usual.
< 1700571087 928719 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :has LCF been implemented in Haskell?
< 1700571630 64541 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Dunno, does Agda have an LCF style kernel?
< 1700571712 622585 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(It's a bit of a mismatch because it's primarily a programming language.)
< 1700571865 428328 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But it's the only bigger name in the field that I can think of that isn't ML or Lisp. Oh and Idris is self-hosting with bootstrapping via scheme?
< 1700571902 416795 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :in a sense, every typed expression (without undefined) in Haskell is already a theorem of sorts
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< 1700571968 675364 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Sure but AIUI a big part about LCF is managing theorems and exioms, without caring about their proofs.
< 1700572328 163730 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :Wikipedia says: Basic idea
< 1700572328 338017 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :Theorems in the system are terms of a special "theorem" abstract data type. The general mechanism of abstract data types of ML ensures that theorems are derived using only the inference rules given by the operations of the theorem abstract type. Users can write arbitrarily complex ML programs to compute theorems; the validity of theorems does not depend on the complexity of such programs, but follows from the soundness of the
< 1700572328 338101 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs : abstract data type implementation and the correctness of the ML compiler.
< 1700572342 843220 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds quite possible to replicate in Haskell
< 1700572368 13822 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But you asked whether it was done, not whether it could be done.
< 1700572720 907191 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :right. but i took your answer as suggesting that it would be hard to manage thms/axioms in Haskell
< 1700572868 209496 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah but I only meant that programming language implementations aren't theorem provers (LCF style in particular) even if they're dependently typed because they lack theorems as a concept. That's independent from the language they're implemented in (which in your case, would be Haskell)
< 1700572886 724780 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I feel like untyped lambda calculus would be a singularly bad language to implement this sort of program
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< 1700573699 935601 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Here's Gordon's take, which you can compare to WP's: "Milner had the brilliant idea of using an abstract data type whose predefined values were instances of axioms and whose operations were inference rules. Strict typechecking then ensured that the only values that could be created were those that could be obtained from axioms by applying a
< 1700573700 531129 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :sequence of inference rules – namely theorems."
< 1700573711 580969 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :By "strict typechecking" he means "abstract data types".
< 1700573732 983664 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can implement the LCF architecture in any language with proper abstract data types.
< 1700573815 500131 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :tromp: I started writing an LCF kernel in Haskell once. Would be surprised if no one else ever wrote one and got further than I did.
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< 1700573874 811526 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Haskell has proper abstract data types. They're not very popular among Haskell programmers it seems, but that's a different issue, I'm sure they have their reasons...
< 1700574196 460056 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-92-21-196-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I need to stop thinking about these things :/
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< 1700680049 367910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lesson learned... sometimes when a puzzle doesn't work out it's just because you're too stupid :)
< 1700680528 223276 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that still shapez?
< 1700680558 258321 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes.
< 1700680785 632166 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you don't mind spoilers: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-copy-hard.png ...the puzzle is on top (make a logo shape in an 18x2 block, taking a white circle and grey square from the left (circle on top) and producing the logo shape in the top-right); my attempts were based on an intermediate shape with one small square raised... I took a long time to realize that there's one more degree of...
< 1700680791 623834 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :...freedom while sticking to the same basic recipe and that would save one column so it actually fits.
< 1700680809 611616 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And unfortunately for the game, the sub-optimal recipe is good enough to cheese the puzzle.
< 1700680954 851097 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And as I've mentioned before,I know for a fact that *some* (presumably older) puzzles must be cheesed. And I don't know how to tell the difference.
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< 1700681423 93926 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But does that also apply to https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-easy-11.png ...I have no clue...
< 1700681621 855184 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The "obvious" thing doesn't work... https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-easy-11-fail.png ...you either have to do some very awkward routing or use the dhnqphggre)
< 1700681926 771146 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :And one way to cheese the level looks like this: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-easy-11-cheese.png (buffer items and then modify the level to actually deliver products)
< 1700682008 194668 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION shrugs
< 1700682025 500799 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Somehow I'm still playing these so they can't be too terrible, right?
< 1700682482 420489 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that means that's a well-constructed puzzle, not only you can solve it without cheese it also taught you something
< 1700682498 648684 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the previous one that's 2 high that is
< 1700682530 87432 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess you can't tell in advance which puzzle is good
< 1700682811 354070 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah that's my real complaint. (And *some* of the forced cheeses are actually interesting too. But it's a very different flavor of puzzle.)
< 1700682908 36346 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll just repeat that Puzzletory the Factorio mod is a collection of puzzles that does not allow this kind of cheese, because you can't change anything while your solution is evaluated
< 1700682949 863690 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course you'll have to know some of the mechanics of Factorio to play them, and they can sometimes be just as crazy as shapez's mechanics, only usually for very different reasons
< 1700683538 544626 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :In any case, there's just enough degrees of freedom in this puzzle that I'm not 100% sure that cheesing is necessary. I've even found a second way to do the routing that involves a double painter. Which may have been the intended way because it buffers more items...
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< 1700683683 628537 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :looks like this: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-easy-11-cheesier.png
< 1700683708 280054 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(interestingly, splitters are disabled for this one)
< 1700683771 175174 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but cutters can act like splitters if the shapes fit cleanly left and right; there are several puzzles using that idea)
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< 1700684169 446090 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a double painter used in a somewhat unusual way
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< 1700684257 805283 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: since the puzzle mode doesn't have mergers... this comes up quite a bit.
< 1700684304 634561 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least it's a bit more clunky than the standard mergers so it's not completely overused :)
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< 1700733043 873630 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-39.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :So I've been thinking. The adequacy of the LCF approach really depends on your "threat model". If you just want to protect against mistakes, it's enough (possibly even more than you need), but if you want to defend against someone *falsifying* a proof, though, it needs to be supplemented (by checking a produced certificate).
< 1700733130 686662 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-39.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Because of ROTT, right? Even if your proof language makes 100% guarantees about integrity of your data structures, who knows what the compiler that compiled the implementation of your proof language might've snuck in there.
< 1700733191 86480 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-39.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, it's the beauty of the idea "Abstract Data Type = Algebra = Proof System" that appeals to me, not really these practical matters.
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< 1700734388 309848 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-39.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"possibly even more than you need" -> Programmers get by with a lot less on a daily basis. "Voluntary encapsulation" in popular languages. Otoh, a lot of software in production has data integrity holes in it. Sometimes massive ones. So that's probably not a good basis for comparison.
> 1700737370 576368 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[074RL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119802&oldid=96987 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+183) 10Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the 4RL programming language on GitHub and added the category tag Implemented.
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< 1700737686 579357 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, but automatically producing a certificate and checking it elsewhere is the easy part. the hard part is making the language convenient enough to express long proofs easily, and also making sure that humans can check all your aximos and the statement of theorems easily (because a proof isn't worth much if you aren't sure what it proves)
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< 1700747067 892595 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@37.128.204.107 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a language with the sole (or almost sole) numeric operation which is arithmetic-geometric mean
< 1700747083 429616 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@37.128.204.107 PRIVMSG #esolangs :probably unusable
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< 1700750197 855963 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :arseniiv: we have languages with a restricted set of arithmetic operations: Nellephant which uses attract and repel, which I find very annoying and unnecessary because it doesn't seem to really help what that language is trying to do over using more sane arithmetic operations; and more interestingly Analogia
< 1700750243 58851 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also possibly Conedy, depending on how you interpret "numeric operations"
< 1700750522 530978 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@37.128.204.107 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: oh I read only today that “analogia” is Ancient Greek for hm I forgot what in arithmetic but something basic
< 1700751232 515507 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :man, we should've just left the babylonians and arabs develop mathematics and science and astronomy. the ancient greeks like Euclid and especially Aristoteles just made everything worse. their only upside was Archimedes.
< 1700751311 904671 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus the Mayans could help if we can contact them earlier I guess
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> 1700772606 538149 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wiwa14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=119808 5* 030ptr 5* (+7334) 10Created page with "'''Wiwa''' is a stack-based, array-oriented esolang inspired by [Uiua https://uiua.org] and [BQN https://mlochbaum.github.io/BQN]. '''Wiwa''' operates on a stack of arrays. Each array can only contain other arrays, meaning there are no values in Wiwa. You can find the inter
> 1700772618 730396 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Wiwa14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119809&oldid=119808 5* 030ptr 5* (+0) 10fix the link
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< 1700773556 372897 :arseniiv!~arseniiv@37.128.204.107 PRIVMSG #esolangs : their only upside was Archimedes. => he was
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> 1700777760 104722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Alphuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119813&oldid=119760 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+121) 10Added a repeating cat program and subsumed the twissel of extant examples into a common section.
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> 1700778019 760259 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Alphuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119814&oldid=119813 5* 03Kaveh Yousefi 5* (+3803) 10Added an interpreter implementation in Common Lisp.
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> 1700810301 716229 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move_redir10 02 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* 10moved [[02Language of Lauging10]] to [[Language of Laughing]] over redirect: Fix typo
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> 1700820232 527095 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Unmatched (14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119820&oldid=119429 5* 03None1 5* (+27) 10/* Python interpreter */ Belongs to the stupid family because of its stupid error reporting feature
< 1700820518 171133 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-39.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Forward and backward proof in HOL corresponds to special cases of rule composition in Isabelle. However, Milner’s key idea of using ML’s abstract types to ensure that theorems can only be obtained by allowable combinations of allowable rules is retained, and lifted to the metalogic level."
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< 1700820551 260247 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-39.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, now I'm going to have to look into Isabelle's innards to find out what the heck *that* means.
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< 1700821783 986200 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-39.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Apparently it means the metalogic is implemented as an abstract data type in ML. The object logic that you actually work with, e.g. Isabelle/HOL, is encoded in the metalogic.
< 1700821879 352229 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-89-240-119-39.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :That seems less cool somehow. Ah well
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< 1700843137 152224 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think if you are trying to prove A |- Z (You hvae the assumption A and want to prove B)
< 1700843149 520119 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :a forward proof step would be using A -> B to change your goal to proving B |- Z
< 1700843167 599517 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :and a backward proof step would be using Y -> Z to change your goal into A |- Y
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> 1700850655 340518 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kak14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119824&oldid=119822 5* 03Quito0567 5* (+37) 10Must be turing complete
> 1700850715 357055 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Kak14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=119825&oldid=119824 5* 03Quito0567 5* (-37) 10Undo revision 119824 by [[Special:Contributions/Quito0567|Quito0567]] ([[User talk:Quito0567|talk]]) i take that back
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< 1700854287 546405 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, are cosmic rays actually cartridge fish, or are they just named after some superficial similarity?
< 1700854316 9423 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, our mascot isn't here
< 1700854575 179252 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh.
< 1700854710 423732 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh²: I updated it to expect the ~ in my hostname when I had that identd issue, which is now resolved (at least temporarily, after a Debian upgrade and reboot), so now it again doesn't acknowledge my authority in commanding it to join here.
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< 1700856538 115386 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, are cosmic rays actually cartridge fish, or are they just named after some superficial similarity?
< 1700856538 788374 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: nothing new? spill it) and it is slower then not creating it :)
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< 1700857602 902452 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, out of these creatures, which two are what the second word of their name indicates? sea anemone, sea angel, sea ape, sea asparagus, sea bear, sea canary, sea cucumber, sea devil, sea elephant, sea fig, sea hare, sea hawk, sea horse, sea leopard, sea lettuce, sea lilies, sea lion, sea louse, sea moth, sea otter, sea porcupine, sea pork, sea raven, sea toad, sea unicorn, sea urchin, sea vomit, sea
< 1700857603 203479 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: i'm looking at gauche to teach myself lots of capsaicin today.
< 1700857608 915828 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :walnut, sea wasp.
< 1700857819 880213 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"teach myself lots of capsaicin" sounds hot
< 1700857826 880565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(not in a sexual way)
< 1700857891 411058 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Possibly relates to sea chilli peppers somehow.
< 1700857966 496533 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nah, statistically speaking based on these creatures, sea chili peppers have nothing to do with chili peppers and don't contain capsaicin
< 1700858073 321478 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :admittedly I was a bit biased when I made that list, I took every name with the referent unrelated to the referent of the second word that I could find, even obsolete names that nobody uses anymore, while I took only two of the twenty or so examples where "sea" is a restricting suffix
< 1700858229 414242 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what complicates the matter is that "pepper" is already used for two entirely different groups of plants, one from each side of the ocean
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< 1700864048 738380 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :possibly of interest to ppl here: updated version of earlier article at https://tromp.github.io/blog/2023/11/24/largest-number
< 1700864079 205583 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :feedback welcome
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< 1700929186 32396 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, the Weasleys just released a holiday special version of poke pastiles that makes your vomit rainbow-colored, but I'm not sure if it works on a funge like you
< 1700929186 258103 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the question is, to what extent? :)
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< 1700989193 766082 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :riv: re forwards and backwards proof: I think of it like this:
< 1700989194 265867 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :A proof is a tree (or more often it's actually a DAG). "Forward proof" is to start at the leaves and work towards the root. "Backward proof" is to start at the root and work towards the leaves.
< 1700989194 765607 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think this can sometimes manifest in the way you described with assumptions and conclusions, but not necessarily.
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< 1700990189 638198 :riv!river@tilde.team/user/river PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh i see!
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< 1700994904 41302 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :This is what I've been working on lately: https://codeberg.org/catseye/define-opaque/src/branch/develop-0.2
< 1700994904 541857 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :My thought is, if you can do it in Scheme, you could do it in the untyped lambda calculus too.
< 1700994905 41343 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which would give you a basis to argue that the untyped lambda calculus is strongly typed.
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< 1701002128 403555 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: doesn't a later scheme standard already give you something like that?
< 1701002238 804914 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: I think you're relying on the equal? primitive, that wouldn't work in untyped lambda calculus
< 1701002273 456531 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't have a proof, but I think it's not possible in untyped lambda calculus
< 1701002580 493739 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in untyped lambda calculus, if you can construct a private accessor function then an adversary can also construct the same function
< 1701002588 685222 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's no eq? or other way to distinguish
< 1701002740 789873 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's not quite a proof because it doesn't exclude inside-out structures, but I think you can't hide data that way either in untyped lambda calculus
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< 1701058991 803726 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had considered something similar than "something like bit bit jump in ttl chips" in the past, too
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< 1701077046 364598 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: for clarity: the code that the macro expands to is here: https://codeberg.org/catseye/define-opaque/src/branch/develop-0.2/eg/stack-expanded.scm
< 1701077046 864239 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :It doesn't rely on `eq?`, and it only uses `equal?` to compare symbols.
< 1701077047 365205 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would find it very difficult to believe that in the untyped lambda calculus, you can't compare two symbols for equality.
< 1701077134 793009 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: you can't ensure that you only get a symbol rather than an arbitrary function
< 1701077212 226315 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, you may have a point
< 1701077222 793431 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm
< 1701077256 599988 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so what you're doing there is make a closure that responds to only certain methods rather than expose its whole inside
< 1701077262 759840 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that part might actually work in lambda calculus
< 1701077274 854056 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was thinking of a different goal with data hiding that is harder
< 1701078104 497034 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, yes, "compare for equality modulo bottom" should be acceptable here; if the user passes in a symbol that isn't defined in the structure, that's an error; also an error if they pass in a non-symbol; and if they pass in some kind of nonterminating function there, that's just another flavour of error
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< 1701080491 690247 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: ok, but you have to be careful. suppose you're representing one symbol as (\x\y.x) and another symbol as (\x\y.y), the user could pass in something that does terminate but does something with both x and y that confuses your method dispatcher if you write it wrong
< 1701080500 669330 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you might actually be able to write it correctly in this case, but still
< 1701080641 104677 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or suppose you expect the user to pass in push_symbol = (\x\y.x) or pop_symbol = (\x\y.y) and then you do (somesymbol push_function pop_function data) but they actually pass in (\x\y.evil_function)\
< 1701080657 139185 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you can mess up if you aren't careful
< 1701080952 81029 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that means you can only do this in lazy lambda calculus, not unlambda style strict lambda calculus
< 1701080997 525720 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because you have to do like (somesymbol (push_function data) (pop_function data)) and there (pop_function data) may be non-terminating
< 1701081026 60619 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :obviously you can avoid that in the simple case of a stack push/pop by making pop terminate even for an empty list, but I mean in the general case
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< 1701082148 753981 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thanks for thinking about it, but I don't we're thinking about the same concerns here.
< 1701082149 254206 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can use this under strict evaluation just as well as you can use anything else under strict evaluation -- it's not expected to magically be resistant to someone passing in value whose evaluation doesn't terminate.
< 1701082149 754960 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :The only "evil" here is if the user can supply some input that can change the internal state to some state that the operations don't expect it to be in.
< 1701082150 253855 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :So if there is a hole I'd expect it to be in the ability to pass in parameters. But, it seems like you could replace any operation with a parameter, with a number of parameterless operations, e.g. ZERO, INC, DEC, PUSH to replace a single operation that pushes an int.
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< 1701085871 451078 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah I don't know. I need to play with a LC interpreter to get a better feel for it. But it might be that the function representing the opaque data structure has no choice but to trust the functions that are passed into it. i.e. it asks them to evaluate functions that it gives them. That won't work.
< 1701086005 523597 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :If untyped LC can't implement this, that's not the end of the world -- I mean, TMs can't implement it either. And neither can term rewriting. But LC feels like it should stand a better chance :)
< 1701086550 769962 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, you can just choose a different language, one that is more prepared for this sort of thing
< 1701086606 237617 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :running untrusted code safely just isn't the goal of lambda calculus
< 1701086649 59048 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :typed lC let's you rule out untrusted code
< 1701086669 286680 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :LC i mean
< 1701086691 128541 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tromp: yes, that's how Haskell's IO is supposed to work
< 1701086733 404865 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :My goal is to find the simplest language in which you can build opaque data structures
< 1701086735 814491 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :your safe code is running but can't have side effects, it just returns an IO value that tells the IO manager what side ffect you want
< 1701086787 635285 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay. I don't know safest
< 1701086789 681238 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :In untyped LC, if the caller passes you a "boolean" x, can you not just "clean" the boolean by saying: IF X T F
< 1701086792 26901 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :um
< 1701086797 602797 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know simplest
< 1701086824 887836 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :that does nothing when x = K (K evil)
< 1701086827 960280 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :IF x T F ... should always evaluate to either T, or F, or won't terminate
< 1701086907 413261 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :cpressey: I don't think that helps if you're still in lambda calculus
< 1701086942 466071 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you have a value that you think might be T and F, the only way you can use it (if you want to distinguish T from F) is to call it
< 1701086945 848659 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :IF (K(K evil)) T F = evil
< 1701087034 996577 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the usual representation, true is just (\x\y.y) and false is (\x\y.x) and if is just identity
< 1701087051 74775 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they don't actually laundher the booleans, they just pass them unchanged
< 1701087085 353147 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are other representations of booleans, but they aren't better
< 1701087097 304469 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK. So to turn the question around, is it possible to devise an encoding in which IF x T F can only ever evaluate to T or F or fail to terminate?
< 1701087121 61855 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think so
< 1701087129 174786 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not in untyped lambda calculus that is
< 1701087129 571238 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :no
< 1701087147 245938 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you may be able to in some larger languages
< 1701087161 245999 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like scheme
< 1701087203 103137 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :Well, yes, obviously it's possible to define a language that guarantees that. The question for me right now is, what is the essense of that guarantee
< 1701087214 941707 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :and it looks like I won't find that essence in untyped lambda calculus :)
< 1701087251 590357 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a necesary requirement is that you can do something with values other than call them as a function
< 1701087259 445996 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in untyped lambda calculus you can't
< 1701087265 893358 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nor in unlambda or underload
< 1701087358 686502 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is not a sufficient requirement of course
< 1701087378 398956 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like in undereload you can actually do one more thing with values besides call them as a function: you can print them
< 1701087386 963717 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that just isn't useful
< 1701087418 94045 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dc is close to that kind of silliness with strings too
< 1701087481 279453 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can eval a string, or you can take its length, or you can print it, but you can't break it to characters and get the ascii value of each character
< 1701087816 857168 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :"My goal is to find the simplest language" <-- of course "simplest" is somewhat subjective. Just trying to help frame the problem. I'm actually thinking of the Actor model right now. Actors are opaque wrt each other.
< 1701088192 276128 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Interestingly, historically Scheme developed as an attempt to better understand the Actor model; but from what I remember reading about it, I don't think "opacity of data structures" played a major part in it)
< 1701088332 325949 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-8-137.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :But, yes. The thing that defeats it in untyped LC, is that "all data is code". If you have "some data isn't code", that's one way to build around it. (Whereas in a Turing machine, "no data is code"... at least, not until you build a UTM.)
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< 1701103892 429149 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:60e9:29c6:befe:d7f1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: is it okay if I take our discussion from the other day about pattern-matching on arbitrary expressions, and try to use it to write an answer to the stackexchange question?
< 1701103987 114738 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :feel free to write an answer
< 1701104035 462014 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think I have a good enough complete answer and I don't want to figure it out so I won't write one
< 1701104066 334014 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know enough about the computability part to know if you can make some sense of this
< 1701104315 508344 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:60e9:29c6:befe:d7f1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, it shouldn't be too hard to write a language interpreter that runs a solver on expressions and tries to turn "case y of expr(x) = ..." into "if y in image(expr) then let x = expr^-1(y) ..."
< 1701104380 292057 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:60e9:29c6:befe:d7f1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you just run a paradox if you assume that the solver can deal with all expressions, including expressions that rely on the solver
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< 1701105553 91533 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Koen: yes, but (1) you have to be careful to evaluate the expression in parallel (triangle style) for all possible values of the variable
< 1701105571 666541 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:60e9:29c6:befe:d7f1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :not sure what that means
< 1701105590 566487 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and (2) you need to be able to generate all possible values of the variable in sequence, even when there are infintely many of them and it may be a function type
< 1701105627 281439 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :say you're trying a match like like let [f x] = y
< 1701105637 545503 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :f may be a complicated function, right?
< 1701105660 801247 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the way you do that is try various values of x by calling the function and see when the output matches y
< 1701105666 933352 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean let [f x] = [y]
< 1701105682 782368 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but the problem is, sometimes f doesn't terminate
< 1701105684 718591 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:60e9:29c6:befe:d7f1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, I would hope the solver is smarter than just try things randomly
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< 1701105744 391632 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dovetailing_(computer_science)
< 1701105774 122725 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is that what it's called? okay
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< 1701106124 863303 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :related: https://hackage.haskell.org/package/control-monad-omega-0.3.2/docs/Control-Monad-Omega.html
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< 1701108444 435385 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:60e9:29c6:befe:d7f1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay, I posted an answer https://langdev.stackexchange.com/questions/3194/are-there-haskell-like-languages-where-equations-allow-for-arbitrary-left-hand-s/3249#3249
< 1701108524 1215 :Koen!~Koen@2a01:e34:ec7c:30:60e9:29c6:befe:d7f1 PRIVMSG #esolangs :feel free to criticise. Also I acknowledged your help at the end and made it "community wiki" so feel free to edit directly if you want to (even to remove your name if you want anonymity)
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< 1701109614 776620 :Guest38!~Guest40@154.48.179.130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi
< 1701109625 211149 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi
< 1701109663 406448 :Guest38!~Guest40@154.48.179.130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Any server/channel to investigate human design?
< 1701109693 374595 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do you mean by human design?
< 1701109709 622698 :Guest38!~Guest40@154.48.179.130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry for the translations, I'm using google
< 1701109738 556465 :Guest38!~Guest40@154.48.179.130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the science of energy
< 1701109755 349878 :Guest38!~Guest40@154.48.179.130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is my summary of human design
< 1701109760 825114 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm still not sure what you mean, but suspect that this is the wrong channel to ask in
< 1701109828 702676 :Guest38!~Guest40@154.48.179.130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am looking for a server/channel focused on esotericism
< 1701109888 533264 :Guest38!~Guest40@154.48.179.130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :75 users for the site, that seems like a lot to me
< 1701109926 487493 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, this channel is about esoteric programming languages, but this question comes up occasionally
< 1701109928 415109 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`? esoteric
< 1701109931 473054 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on EFnet or DALnet.
< 1701109932 417598 :Guest38!~Guest40@154.48.179.130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :wow
< 1701109937 849875 :Guest38!~Guest40@154.48.179.130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry
< 1701109952 531449 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there, there's a couple of channels you might want to try instead
< 1701109972 235123 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure how active they are nowadays though
< 1701109990 457895 :Guest38!~Guest40@154.48.179.130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thank you very much, programmers!
< 1701110019 109494 :Guest38!~Guest40@154.48.179.130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's what i'm afraid
< 1701110027 583827 :Guest38!~Guest40@154.48.179.130 PRIVMSG #esolangs :thanks!
< 1701110034 7211 :Guest38!~Guest40@154.48.179.130 PART :#esolangs
< 1701110160 919185 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no idea if those channels that that thing redirects to are actually still alive
< 1701110189 590026 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` hg log --removed -T "{rev}|{date|shortdate}|{desc}\n" /hackenv/wisdom/esoteric
< 1701110192 187123 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :9071|2016-09-25| revert 942e964c81c1 \ 9070|2016-09-25| ` chmod 777 / -R \ 5897|2015-08-13| revert accbc9c5c7ec \ 5895|2015-08-12| echo wisdom/* | shuf | head -n 10 | xargs rm \ 5442|2015-06-07| ` sed -i \'s/on .*/on EFnet or DALnet./\' wisdom/esoteric \ 3343|2013-07-31| revert \ 3342|2013-07-31| for x in wisdom/*; do rev "$x" > "$x"a; mv "$x"a "$x"; done \ 1716|2013-01-24| hg diff -r1703:170
< 1701110194 567490 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :nor do I – I think last time we checked one of them was kind-of limping along
< 1701110208 842900 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :from 2015
< 1701110232 198775 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's not that old, given that #esolangs is 20 years old
< 1701110356 97856 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well, #esoteric is that old, #esolangs is much newer because Libera hasn't been around that much, but it's the same channel in spirit
< 1701110377 5564 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :– apparently to the extent that people can mistake the topic even after we changed the channel name to be more precise
< 1701110381 720059 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :``` hg log --removed -T "{rev}|{date|shortdate}|{desc}\n" -r 378 /hackenv/wisdom/welcome
< 1701110383 601492 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :378|2012-05-06| learn Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1701110399 327832 :b_jonas!~x@89.134.28.161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so the mention of Dalnet there was added in 2012
< 1701110662 790824 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :netsplit.de doesn't find an #esoteric in either DALnet or EFnet; though there is #luciferianism in EFnet that has the word in its topic, but that sounds more specific.
< 1701110686 230917 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :> 38 users - 42 minutes ago - current topic: ðð¥☀️w/ #satanism |Damn 'God'. Hail Lucifer!| www.mathematicon.com fox.com/lucifer gnosis.org #atheism #esoteric #gnosis #pagan #spiritual
< 1701110687 433063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : :1:45: error: lexical error at character '\159'
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< 1701185855 863263 :cpressey!~cpressey@host-2-102-86-95.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas, tromp: Thank you for the discussion yesterday. There's a tradition in functional programming languages for function values to be opaque and it was useful for me to have it hammered home that this is *not* a heritage from the lambda calculus
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< 1701189336 852102 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :As far as I know, function values are opaque mostly for convenience, because it's hard to define a stable interface to examine a function that still allows your language to be extended with new features that you can use in a function and/or new optimizations. Functions are kind-of opaque in C too. In theory if you're on a specific architecture, there's nothing stopping you from reading the bytes of the
< 1701189342 893717 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :code of a function (and everything else that it references), because the CPU rules and the ABI are known, it's just that there's not much useful that you can do with that other than reverse-engineering and malware detection.
< 1701189383 409873 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not just the code, mind you, you can also read all the debug information that's compiled for your executable.
< 1701189414 431574 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :With full debug information, you can find out about the prototype of the function, all its local variables and how they're represented at runtime, etc.
< 1701189520 119014 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :And then there's perl, which has the O module that lets you examine the insides of functions (it lets you examine basically all of perl's internals, but the inside of functions is the important part here).
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< 1701189578 908202 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The J language also lets you examine the insides of user-defined functions.
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< 1701196459 137186 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also the (pure) Harvard vs. von Neumann architecture split, where the former have (conceptually) separate instruction and data memories, and you can't inspect the code of a function, at least without using whatever escape hatch the particular architecture offers to make it possible to dynamically load programs in the first place.
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< 1701199738 711405 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think some computers have a pin for program/data so that it is possible to be implemented separately or not separately.
< 1701199743 319166 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: there are systems where code and data are separate but you can read both (with different instructions), but I'm not sure those would count as Harvard
< 1701199787 214718 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :funnily there are also multiple systems (mostly old with small amount of memory) where data and stack are separate (so that the CPU can implement the stack efficiently)
< 1701199806 640530 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there's one new one among those with data and stack separate: MMIX
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< 1701199858 510575 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :heck, Forth is even funnier because it has a heap, data stack, and return stack all separate
< 1701199888 952804 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Many VMs also have data and stack separate (even if the program is not separate), such as: uxn, Z-machine, etc
< 1701199985 818443 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then there's Borland C's small memory model, where code, data, and stack are in separate segments, and pointers know which segment they refer to in type, which has the interesting consequence that scanf can only read into values on the stack.
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< 1701200503 521248 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Magic-1 has separate address space for data and code, mostly because the addresses are just 16 bit wide so the address space is small. both of them are paged. and there's a CPU instruction for reading from code. well, two, because there's an 8-bit and a 16-bit code read instruction.
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< 1701240739 886643 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :There is three kind of runs (homogeneous, heterogeneous, copy-above), and three attributes of each tile (kind, colour, parameter), and the kind of run can be set independently for each attribute. What is the way to figure out which kinds of runs should be used?
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< 1701274250 807308 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting fact: lambda term (λ 1 1) (λ (λ λ λ 1 (λ 1 (4 (λ 4 (λ λ 3 (λ 1 2 3)))) (4 (λ 5 (λ 5 (λ 3 1 (2 1)))))) ((λ 1 1) (λ λ λ 1 (2 (λ 1 2)) (3 3 (λ 3 (λ 2 (1 3))))) 2)) (1 1)) (λ 1 1) contains all closed lambda terms in its expansion
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< 1701290933 525509 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :this shorter one contains all S K combinators, and thus also all lambda terms:
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< 1701293377 569371 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :or using single point basis {A}:
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< 1701293388 832275 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is exactly 100 bits
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> 1701358729 833835 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03ChuckEsoteric08 5* 10moved [[02Mountain10]] to [[Mountain/Old]]
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< 1701383394 556021 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmf. In preparation for this year's AoC, I've been setting up some scaffolding for Z80 assembly solutions, and I just got enough of it done to be able to run a thing, plus Z80 routines for input and output of 16-bit integers, and a test program for 2022 day 1 part 1, and then it turns the answer was 69836, which just barely doesn't fit in 16 bits.
< 1701383412 956085 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh well. I guess most AoC puzzles would involve larger numbers anyway.
< 1701384938 343560 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, you should definitely expect to need numbers larger than 16 bit size for this.
< 1701384997 921382 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I eyeballed my puzzle inputs for day 1, part 1 and it _looked_ like it might possibly fit.
< 1701385013 824191 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not sure why I just didn't look at the answer though.
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< 1701387450 363561 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, if a font draws the letter "x" like a turned c and a c ran together, what is the decent term to describe that shape if I don't want to call it asscrack shaped?
< 1701387450 588064 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: there have been fnord :) :) :) :)
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< 1701387821 306985 :fizzie!irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought there might be a fancy name for it in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Piecewise-circular_curves because there's a bunch of obscure ones made out of arcs, but apparently not.
< 1701388675 343103 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I'll have to invent a fancy-sounding term like bilunate