00:50:35 <esolangs> [[Quests]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=122276&oldid=122265 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+64) Updated and rectified the Extended Backus-Naur Form (EBNF) description.
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08:34:47 <esolangs> [[UM8]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=122278&oldid=122167 * Olus2000 * (-122) /* Hello World */ Even shorter
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11:18:03 <esolangs> [[Talk:Iavac]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=122280 * PkmnQ * (+118) Created page with "Should this just redirect to [[Idvac]]? --~~~~"
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15:39:34 <cpressey> "[S]tated purpose affects legal interpretation [...] The GPLs start with long preambles. Those preambles are not operative text in the strictest legal sense, but they are part of the documents, and can be cited to resolve vagueness and ambiguity, where it arises." <-- omg it's a form of "prompt engineering"
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16:10:56 <wib_jonas> cpressey: that's a white lie. that's because people won't read or won't obey "Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this license document, but changing it is not allowed." even as they're trying to use a fricking copyright license, and they try to cut out parts of the license, even though they are clearly requried to
16:10:56 <wib_jonas> distribute the whole thing. So GNU put that white lie there in case they listen more to that than the straightforward "changing it is not allowed".
16:13:27 <cpressey> Well, the GPLs are just one example. Other licenses are preceded with a statement of purpose too. I don't doubt it affects legal interpretation, when it comes down to it. Whether the GPL's preamble affects legal interpretation in a way that helps GNU or not, I can't say.
16:15:04 <wib_jonas> redistributing the preamble and postamble is simply propaganda that GNU requires you to do if you use their licenses or copy their software, same as how the license for the GNU libc manual requires you to keep the "Free Software Needs Free Documentation" essay in the appendix
16:15:49 <wib_jonas> it's just that Debian counts the former one about the GPL still a free license, but the latter (or possibly the required front-cover text and back-covered text) too much and doesn't consider the manual free, which I think is ridiculous
16:18:35 <wib_jonas> "Other licenses are preceded with a statement of purpose too." => yes, the Creative Commons license comes with twice as much explanatory text as legally binding text. I don't think this is a problem. I wish people who write laws added explanatory text too rather than just vomit anything on paper, go on vacation, and hope the courts sort out what
16:18:35 <wib_jonas> their text is supposed to mean. we should just wall then into the parliament until they solve all the homework that the supreme court gives them and disambiguate their own laws, with bread and water only starting from the seventh day, and only at most two personal servants per congressman, like the papal elections do.
16:19:29 <wib_jonas> also, walling them in goes explicitly against the constitution's guarantees about freedom right now, so we can't do this without modifying the constitution first.
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16:34:41 <cpressey> I just want a functioning public domain that includes software. Maybe that can't happen because software is too special. I dunno.
16:37:17 <cpressey> If I write an essay, I can say, "OK, that's not a work of mine anymore. No one owns it anymore." Apparently it's too dangerous to allow that to happen with software.
16:39:54 <cpressey> The fact that there might be a patent hiding in it. The fact that it might be deemed a merchantable good that comes with an implicit warranty of fitness for a particular purpose. All these dangers, you see.
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18:17:22 <zzo38> I wanted a different license, which is effectively like public domain including free from patents, etc, that you are not required to give attribution or copyright notices or to anything else like that; however, anyone who distributes it must use the same license (implicitly or explicitly) or GPL3, AGPL3, CC-BY-SA 4.0 (if they are able to satisfy the terms of those licenses).
18:18:18 <zzo38> Furthermore, you are not to be sued for violation except for a counterclaim due to someone trying to sue you for violating their own copyright, patent, etc on this work.
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20:52:15 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * Ducbadatchem * New user account
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23:03:42 <esolangs> [[Talk:Deadfish~]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=122290&oldid=21788 * BoundedBeans * (+11333) Added INTERCAL interpreter
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23:48:34 <esolangs> [[Deadfish~]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=122294&oldid=122291 * None1 * (+29) /* Implementation */