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< 1706457938 454903 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :<b_jonas> ais has been following Magic for long enough that he must remember the 2010 rules changes ← indeed, and I still sort-of dislike them
< 1706457952 8517 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a tradeoff between making the rules simple, and making the rules produce expected results
< 1706457981 245701 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the rules post-2010 produce the results that most players would expect from abilities used during combat, but use an incredible amount of complexity to accomplish that
< 1706458020 80787 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my current belief is that allowing double-blocking may have been a mistake – it creates a lot of rules complexity for not much gameplay gain
< 1706458056 907399 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if you remove double blocking then most of the complexity added in the 2010 rules change goes away
< 1706458101 504680 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(for a timeline perspective: at the point in time I was actively playing Magic, it was under the ruleset where combat damage went on the stack)
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< 1706461857 611600 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I don't know if double-blocking is a mistake, it's been present for long enough that I think it's one of those rules that give M:tG its unique character. the pre-2010 combat rules were certainly nice and easier to think about, the problem was mostly how they were phrased. they should have rephrased them such that instead of combat damage being an object on the stack, combat damage was one of 
< 1706461863 621622 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :those actions that happen at the start of a step, so they break the old combat damage step to two steps, one before the damage is resolved and one after. note that back then mana disappeared only between phases, not between steps, so breaking one step into two steps wouldn't be much of a rule change. (obviously the whole thing is doubled for first strike.)
< 1706462075 843751 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not completely against the node damage order rules, but yes, the pre-2010 rules were seem simpler, but this might just be what I'm used to.
< 1706462306 157274 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :plus it just seems like a change that came up too often in practical games. I wasn't playing with Mogg Fanatic, but I was playing against Mogg Fanatic a lot.
< 1706462347 843186 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and M:tG already had the tool to print a creature that they didn't want to work there: activated abilities that had "{T}, sacrifice this permanent" in their cost
< 1706462373 873782 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(yes, I know there's vigilance and Twiddle)
< 1706462433 479137 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I know it's not the same, it means you can't sac the creature after it attacks (even for giving up the damage that it would deal)
< 1706462463 379451 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's a flavorful way to implement creatures like Benevolent Bodyguard that can choose to either fight or protect at the start of combat
< 1706462529 680728 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, Mogg Fanatic was in tenth edition, so it wouldn't just go away quickly in favor of newer cards
< 1706462563 381790 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but M:tG does generally try to just print new cards with new abilities instead of errataing the meaning of old ones. 
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< 1706463000 216132 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course the rules change isn't only about cards like Mogg Fanatic. another practical situation is if I attack with two 1/1 elf tokens, the opponent blocks with a 2/2 soldier, then I cast a Giant Growth, then by the old rules I'd lose one of my elves, whereas in the modern rules I get to keep both elves
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< 1706465887 866681 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that combat damage on the stack was not as good as it is now; the alternative would be to have a "damage prevention step" like the older rules have, which might have been acceptable if they had a good way to do it (although the newer rules work differently in many ways that it doesn't fit as well)
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< 1706471928 62785 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: re things like the "damage prevention step", the Netrunner rules people worked out a way to allow people to activate abilities in the middle of the resolution of another ability
< 1706471938 40070 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :meaning that Netrunner's regeneration-like abilities work quite intuitively
> 1706471960 802422 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck+214]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=122551&oldid=122414 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+34) 10
< 1706472018 369556 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(the rules are: you can only activate an ability in the middle of another ability if it has an "[interrupt]" marker that gives you permission to do that, and it also has a requirement that specifies what the ability in question must do for the activation to be legal; and resolving abilities create windows in which you can activate relevant interruption abilities, which are resolved before the ability continues to resolve)
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< 1706472179 398720 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most of them prevent something happening, in which case they can only be activated during an ability that would cause that thing to happen
< 1706472198 205046 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: Magic has that but only in vestiges.
< 1706472209 984438 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`card-by-name Rhystic Shield
< 1706472212 87954 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Rhystic Shield \ 1W \ Instant \ Creatures you control get +0/+1 until end of turn. They get an additional +0/+2 until end of turn unless any player pays {2}. \ PR-C
< 1706472239 23079 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: you can activate mana abilities during a resolving ability if that ability gives players the opportunity to pay mana, yes
< 1706472248 294427 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :^ when an ability says something like "unless any player pays {2}" then players are allowed to activate mana abilities only, right there during resolving that ability
< 1706472261 957443 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that, plus there's one more exceptional case
< 1706472267 188423 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's a rather crazy one
< 1706472275 308515 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Panglacial Wurm?
< 1706472279 278354 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`card-by-name Panglacial Wurm
< 1706472280 411666 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Panglacial Wurm \ 5GG \ Creature -- Wurm \ 9/5 \ Trample \ While you're searching your library, you may cast Panglacial Wurm from your library. \ CSP-R
< 1706472282 618270 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes
< 1706472290 649970 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname
< 1706472325 766332 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yugioh has some cards that you can summon directly from your deck, if certain conditions are met
< 1706472360 235176 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I think there's a rule that you have to shuffle your deck afterwards, even though it isn't explicitly stated on the card)
< 1706472370 355518 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the much more common case is that you can activate mana abilities during casting a spell, which seems kind of unnecessary, because you could almost always just activate those mana abilities before that, so this is probably just a convenience rule for Online
< 1706472375 808781 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Awakening_of_the_Possessed_-_Nefariouser_Archfiend is probably the most popular
< 1706472403 583160 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(incidentally, I am not convinced that "nefariouser" is a real word, it should be "more nefarious", but I suspect they ran out of space in the name box
< 1706472404 981834 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :)
< 1706472428 700705 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: so I found out fairly recently about the history of that rule
< 1706472430 393993 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :eh, it's a fantasy card game, it's normal if it invents words for card games
< 1706472449 600934 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently in some early pro tour, one player was persistently tapping lands for spells after casting them, rather than before
< 1706472453 188809 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently out of habit
< 1706472466 595857 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The mana step during casting a spell is sometimes relevant, even though usually it does not matter. The mana step is more relevant for costs of attacking and blocking, though.
< 1706472474 967474 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they received several warnings, and eventually ended up getting disqualified for breaking the same rule repeatedly, but by then it was the semifinals or possibly finals
< 1706472480 374944 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and this caused an actual riot
< 1706472486 841991 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because the other players thought the disqualification was unfair
< 1706472496 428214 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so, the rules were changed to allow tapping lands while casting a spell, rather than beforehnand
< 1706472499 757778 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, but you should just interpret that as a shortcut for tapping the lands first then casting the spell. 
< 1706472518 386536 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not sure that shortcuts existed at the time; but yes, that would be a better fix
< 1706472539 924661 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as zzo38 says, there are some cases it matters, e.g. casting a spell with Improvise using Gold tokens (or Black Lotus)
< 1706472551 827340 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, hmm, does black lotus tap?
< 1706472565 30413 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :gold tokens don't, so you can tap them to pay 1 of the mana and sacrifice them to play another
< 1706472576 122506 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :same interaction comes up with Skirk Prospector and convoke spells
< 1706472608 770064 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Black Lotus does require tapping to be activated
< 1706472618 701870 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I know there are a few cases when it matters, and it's those cases why I'd prefer if activating mana abilities during casting weren't allowed
< 1706472669 580247 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it'd at least fix the selvala/panglacial wurm interaction
< 1706472676 831004 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which I'm not sure was ever satisfactorily resolved
< 1706472695 996541 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, the mana step applies before the costs of the spell are paid (although after the spell enters the stack; which is sometimes what matters).
< 1706472707 498170 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(selvala has a mana ability that creates a random amount of mana and also draws cards – the issue is that you can try to use it to cast panglacial wurm and then discover you don't have enough mana)
< 1706472709 984311 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for ordinary cases when you're just casting a lightnign bolt and tapping your mountain during it's fine, and if the rule didn't exist you'd just do that as a shortcut
< 1706472723 641805 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the complex cases just cause rule headaches and shouldn't be allowed
< 1706472746 295106 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, the mana step being after the spell is moved to the stack at least avoids the situation where you draw the panglacial wurm you're trying to cast
< 1706472778 979257 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know how to solve the issue with Selvala either; possibly adding errata that requires priority to activate its ability. I have written some unofficial rules of Magic: the Gathering, but it does not solve that problem yet.
< 1706472829 893132 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the best fix is just to add the "activate this ability only any time you could cast an instant" restriction, like Lion's Eye Diamond has
< 1706472834 446492 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`card-by-name Lion's Eye Diamond
< 1706472835 639613 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lion's Eye Diamond \ 0 \ Artifact \ Discard your hand, Sacrifice Lion's Eye Diamond: Add three mana of any one color. Activate this ability only any time you could cast an instant. \ MI-R, VMA-M
< 1706472865 991258 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: wouldn't that just mostly fail, as in if you're trying to tap Selvala for mana while a spell is resolved then the cards aren't actually revealed until later, you fail to add any mana, players draw cards but can't look at them yet, then since you don't have enough mana the whole thing gets reverted but since you didn't reveal anything this causes no problems?
> 1706472877 42337 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SemiScript14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=122555&oldid=122531 5* 03Imakesi 5* (+77) 10
< 1706472903 559258 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure, making that not a mana ability would also make sense,
< 1706472906 128531 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the problem is that selvala generates mana based on which cards were drawn
< 1706472915 111301 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you can't just not look at them
< 1706472935 462868 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, I forgot that cards drawn during the resolution of a mana ability are drawn face down – that rule doesn't come up very often
< 1706472963 331864 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(technically the cards are drawn face down with selvala, but they were revealed earlier during the resolution of the same ability)
< 1706472993 854545 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :That restriction is what I had suggested, but I think that the words "activate this ability only any time you could cast an instant" is too long in my opinion; so on my own custom cards I used the much shorter phrase "requires priority", which has the same effect (and I added a rule which says that).
< 1706473017 280776 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I thought there was a rules patch or ruling about this for some other card, maybe Chandra Ablaze or something, and if you can't look at the cards then they won't match nonland so you don't get mana
< 1706473032 148862 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think they should add "once per turn when" as a phrase that indicates a triggered ability (like "when", "whenever", and "at"), but the triggered ability triggers only once per turn if it uses that phrase
< 1706473052 109418 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :abilities like that are being used increasingly often in Magic at the moment, but the current templating is both misleading and very wordy
< 1706473061 814044 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :The rule that cards drawn while a spell is in the process of being cast (rule 121.8; it isn't as general as you say but it should be), says that, and also says that card has no characteristics during that time.
< 1706473085 325104 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`card-by-name Selvala, Explorer Returned
< 1706473086 516035 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Selvala, Explorer Returned \ 1GW \ Legendary Creature -- Elf Scout \ 2/4 \ Parley -- {T}: Each player reveals the top card of their library. For each nonland card revealed this way, add {G} and you gain 1 life. Then each player draws a card. \ CNS-R, C16-R, VMA-R
< 1706473094 385855 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the problem is that Selvala explicitly reveals the cards
< 1706473101 338120 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: the rules don't specifically say this, but they're clearly written so that when abilities say "reveal" or "look at" or you draw cards or for other reasons could look at new cards, then you can't look at them while the game is in a state that can be rolled back. except for some cases when players leave the game.
< 1706473110 822492 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and checks the characteristics before they're drawn
< 1706473113 824140 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: hmm, let me check the rules
< 1706473140 503036 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would be hilarious if selvala revealed them face down during the casting of Panglacial Wurm – that would be one way to fix the interaction
< 1706473184 43721 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: it's not just during the casting of Panglacial Wurm, it does that whenever you do that while paying for a spell or ability during casting it
< 1706473190 963050 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :at least I think so, I'll check the rules
< 1706473204 346115 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so normally you just activate Selvala when you're not casting any spell
< 1706473222 465351 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :121.8
< 1706473222 979260 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, the interpretation of rule 121.8 is confusing; see: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/magic_card/puzzle.7 Judges seem to disagree about this puzzle.
< 1706473344 928625 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :121.8. If a spell or ability causes a card to be drawn while another spell is being cast, the drawn card is kept face down until that spell becomes cast […] or until the casting process is reversed […]. The same is true with relation to another ability being activated. If an effect allows or instructs a player to reveal the card as it’s being drawn, it’s revealed after the spell becomes cast or 
< 1706473350 945098 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the ability becomes activated. While face down, the drawn card is considered to have no characteristics and can’t be used to pay any part of the cost of the spell or ability that would require the card to have specific characteristics.
< 1706473363 183837 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this pretty clearly applies to Selvala
< 1706473413 932500 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's older than Selvala, it just didn't use to come up so often, because you needed multi-card interactions to get into really weird situations. Selvala does it all in one card.
< 1706473468 856099 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, it does clearly apply to Selvala.
< 1706473479 441071 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it doesn't apply to Selvala, it's specific to a) cards that are drawn, b) cards that are revealed as they are drwan
< 1706473489 321219 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Selvala explicitly reveals the card before it is drawn, rather than as or after
< 1706473493 360308 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm
< 1706473493 571608 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and thus the requirements of the rule are met
< 1706473502 670948 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it applies only when a card is drawn! I see
< 1706473525 86269 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, that's a problem. so that's why you're saying they should fix the rules for taht
< 1706473617 364241 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Of course Selvala avoids the problems of the card being unknown, because they are revealed; however, it also says the cards are drawn afterward, and you still might not have enough mana by the time they are activated.
< 1706473684 351545 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, there is a ruling for Selvala to mention what happens in that case; the interaction with Panglacial Wurm is still unclear though, since you might not have had an opportunity to activate it otherwise.
< 1706473736 216970 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't understand, why is Selvala more of a problem with Panglacial Wurm than otherwise if you're trying to tap it for mana while paying to activate a spell or ability?
< 1706473791 119105 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: hmm, maybe it isn't? there's just the separate problem of drawing cards while searching your library, before you shuffle
< 1706473799 19792 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :For one thing, effects that allow you to search your library will usually result in shuffling your library afterward, so the top card will be a different one
< 1706473822 214671 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that said, other games don't seem to have the trouble that Magic does with looking at cards without reordering them
< 1706473862 374562 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"look at the top three cards of your opponent's deck, then put them back in the same order" is a very common effect in Netrunner
< 1706473891 950021 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and some cards even trigger in response to the opponent looking at them for certain reasons, and require the opponent to reveal them when that happened (so that their owner knows that they triggered)
< 1706473914 49625 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is difficult to cheat this without being caught, as the cards are likely to get drawn eventually
< 1706473946 167240 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the "look at" is generally done by having their owner lift them up and show them, holding the card so that only their opponent can see them
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< 1706474152 591501 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah, you mean drawing a card while you're searching the library. that's not that strange I think.
< 1706474202 836132 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Normally you cannot use mana abilities while searching your library.)
< 1706474330 105033 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: yes, so for just the one weird Wurm it is actually helpful that you can use mana abilities while searching your library
< 1706474365 143771 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is there any situation in Magic where you might end up searching your library unexpectedly?
< 1706474416 389143 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :most times you'd search are as the consequence of an ability resolving, so if you know you're about to be given a search, and have a panglacial wurm you want to cast, you could just tap mana before the search happens
< 1706474432 899110 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess it's possible to not know whether or not there's a panglacial wurm in your deck (e.g. because your opponent is playing Pyxis of Pandemonium)
< 1706474434 300745 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's probably rare
< 1706474456 928642 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :incidentally, in Yugioh you can look at your own face-down banished cards, because you have a responsibility to know what's in your deck at all times
< 1706474476 146992 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and, e.g., not look at your deck if you're given the opportunity to search for a card that isn't in there
< 1706474499 142557 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(you can't fail to find in Yugioh – you aren't allowed to legally start a search unless there's an appropriate card to search for)
< 1706474529 230856 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and the game is actually balanced around this, with many cards having the downside of having to search some terrible card out of your deck, so in order to play them you have to dilute the deck by adding the card in question)
< 1706474679 463126 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not entirely sure, but I think even before Selvala you could have a case when you'd first be able to look at a card while you're tapping mana abilities while casting a spell. Say there's an Opalescence in play, a Telepathy, and you have a Humility in play. The Humility deactivates the ability of Telepathy, so you can't see opponent's hands. While trying to cast a creature, you tap Phyrexian Tower 
< 1706474685 477973 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and sacrifice Humility for it (it's a creature because of Opalescence). Then the Telepathy should kick in.
< 1706474792 174968 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if you could make something like this from old cards where you also can't know in advance whether you will be able to finish casting the spell or have to revert it.
< 1706474829 417515 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought Telepathy didn't work in the middle of casting a spell, but I'm not sure
< 1706474884 936901 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: 121.8 should suppress it, but we just found that it doesn't
< 1706474888 560007 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe there's some other rule?
< 1706474909 94847 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also wonder if perhaps Telepathy doesn't gain the ability back until later
< 1706474913 863441 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I think it gains it back immediately
< 1706474925 229202 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I vaguely remember watching games of Lantern Control on MTGO
< 1706474947 168383 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which should give an accurate representation of whether telepathy-like effects are on or not at various points in the game
< 1706474951 289222 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`card-by-name Lantern of Insight
< 1706474952 839974 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lantern of Insight \ 1 \ Artifact \ Players play with the top card of their libraries revealed. \ {T}, Sacrifice Lantern of Insight: Target player shuffles their library. \ 5DN-U
< 1706474966 950399 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh wow, that's so much better than Telepathy in most respects
< 1706474977 507126 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :artifacts are a bit easier to destroy than enchantments, but it's cheaper and has a bonus ability
< 1706474988 653332 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, well, Telepathy is opponent's library only, right?
< 1706474992 888867 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`card-by-name Telepathy
< 1706474993 927185 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Telepathy \ U \ Enchantment \ Your opponents play with their hands revealed. \ US-U, 7E-U, 8ED-U, 9ED-U, 10E-U, M10-U
< 1706474998 87454 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, hands, not library
< 1706475037 696051 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still think Lantern is better, being able to see your own library is useful, and being able to see your opponent's top-of-library on an ongoing basis is usually better than being able to see their hand on an ongoing basis
< 1706475072 27953 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :possible, Telepathy is just the one I was familiar with
< 1706475121 401512 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have seen Telepathy because i actually own the card, somewhere
< 1706475124 332238 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it isn't very good
< 1706475135 260931 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Lantern is a little older and I don't own it, but it's been more competitively played
< 1706475145 367595 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, let me check, I don't remember if I own Telepathy or not
< 1706475151 488853 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(there is some doubt as to whether Lantern Control was ever actually a *good* deck, but it had a run of popularity at one point)
< 1706475209 136815 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the idea is to play Lantern + lots of mill and shuffle effects, together with lockpieces that make many cards uncastable or otherwise useless, and ensure your opponent never draws a useful card for the rest of the game
< 1706475476 44063 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Air Bladder, Aquitect's Will, Cerulean Wisps, Coral Net, Cut the Earthly Bond, Diminish, Dream's Grip, Essence Flare, Flight, Index, Infiltrate, Intervene, Mental Note, Peek, Ponder, Preordain, Reach Throught Mists, Sea's Claim (9th Edition), Serum Visions, Shimmering Wings, Sigil of Sleep, Unsummon, Wind Zendikon, and then 2 cmc cards. No, I don't have Telepathy.
< 1706475709 726114 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not follwing Magic much so I didn't even remember which box has the blue cards
< 1706475746 301309 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've been keeping up to date with Legacy, but not really the other formats
< 1706475764 817902 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess I could label the boxes from the outside, but while I was buying M:tG cards I changed what's in what box multiple times 
< 1706475776 560690 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Standard was badly broken recently (and might still be but I'm not sure), Modern has been broken for a while, and I haven't been following Pioneer very much
< 1706475808 721058 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and Vintage is not really any worse than it's always been, but continues to not have very much variety
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< 1706476350 933871 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, website I just discovered, which seems relevant to this channel: https://bbchallenge.org/story
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< 1706476378 778655 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they are trying to decide halting for all 2-symbol 5-state Turing machines
< 1706476419 502794 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(starting from a blank tape)
< 1706476619 964749 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is relevant to the channel, yes
> 1706476905 468510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Imakesi 5*  10moved [[0210]] to [[Esolang:Brainthon]]: Emojis.
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> 1706477746 561323 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SHITS14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=122570&oldid=121603 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+1171) 10Links, interpreter, categories
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