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< 1708854160 48442 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bwahahah, this is great! so you know how metric paper comes in sizes of A0 to A6 where An means the longer side is 2**(n/2+1/4) meters and the shorter is 2**(n/2-1/4) meters, A5 is used for schoolchildren to practice writing, A4 is ordinary typewriter paper that most official letters are written on and photocopies made, A3 to A0 are used for arts and technical drawings, right? and there's a second 
< 1708854166 55834 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :series of sizes B0 to B6 where Bn is in the middle between An and A(n-1) so the longer side is 2**(n/2+1/2) meters and the shorter is 2**(n/2) meters;
< 1708854336 190433 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :There are also C and D series. I don't recall how they're defined exactly, but by area, D(n) < A(n) < C(n) < B(n) IIRC.
< 1708854336 607198 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, wrong formulas, An has longer side 2**(-n/2+1/4) meter and shorter side 2**(-n/2-1/4) meter; Bn has longer side 2**(-n/2+1/2) meter and shorter side 2**(-n/2) meter
< 1708854349 9329 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, I'm getting there, that's the interesting part
< 1708854359 813763 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah :-)
< 1708854591 467074 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the C series from C0 to C7 is such that Cn has the size between An and Bn, longer size 2**(-n/2+3/8) meter and shorter size 2**(-n/2-1/8) meter, so it's used for envelopes: C6 is the typical envelope for personal letters because an A4 paper folded in quarter so it's A6 size fits in it, and incidentally forint notes have a size so they just fit into them lengthwise so the envelopes are convenient for 
< 1708854597 489222 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bribes; C5 is used for some personal letters, and C4 is used for official letters that have lots of pages such as the ones the tax bureau used to send you before they went mostly electric, though the most common size for official letters isn't among these series.
< 1708854657 460416 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :But we're just getting to the fun part. These names An, Bn, Cn come from an ISO standard called ISO 216, and that ISO standard doesn't define a D series. There are *two* definitions for the D series that are incompatible with each other!
< 1708854710 248097 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh
< 1708854829 865951 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size#Swedish_extensions defines Dn with longer side 2**(-n/2+5/8) and shorter side 2**(-n/2+1/8)
< 1708854855 744304 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll add that the most common size for official letters varies by country. In Germany, yeah, the 'fold A4 into three' envelopes (whatever they're called) are most common. In Switzerland, it's almost always C5.  Also, B4 envelopes exist so you can ship tax forms to someone and they can use the enclosed C4 envelope to return it. :-)
< 1708854859 333408 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :while https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size#DIN_D defines Dn with longer side 2**(-n/2+1/8) and shorter side 2**(-n/2-3/8)
< 1708854918 353554 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so Dn is ambiguous and probably best not used as a name for paper size, you'd better just specify explicit sizes
< 1708855024 509789 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Huh
< 1708855079 286726 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :> the sequence of formats A4, E4, C4, G4, B4, F4, D4, *H4, A3 is a geometric progression, in which the dimensions grow by a factor 2^(1/16) from one size to the next.
< 1708855080 419927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : <hint>:1:14: error: parse error on input ‘of’
< 1708855084 875453 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the Swedish one
< 1708855088 70268 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Neat!
< 1708855103 329151 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Except for the totally random order of the letters, that is.
< 1708855111 146452 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :JAA: yes, and they don't define an H series, which leaves open the possibility for two more standards to define them in incompatible ways
< 1708855124 953503 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hehe
< 1708855147 858118 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not really a random order since A, B, C was already defined before that
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< 1708855232 485961 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Right, but E<G<F<D for the additional ones is still ... a choice.
< 1708855259 843234 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"DL" is the 110mmx220mm envelope size, apparently.
< 1708855270 419658 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hey, you know what? Dn is ambiguous, and H is unused, so let's rename the german Dn to Hn so it's an unambiguous way to refer to D sizes!
< 1708855359 770850 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a mess.
< 1708855367 322969 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :> the other formats have not turned out to be particularly useful in practice.
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ACTION pats lambdabot.

< 1708855432 203520 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh right, I had forgotten about the 2A0 and 4A0 formats that nobody ever uses.
< 1708855441 107648 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or we should just say A4.5 instead of B5; and say A4.25 instead of C4
< 1708855457 758791 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :then we don't need to remember how multiple letters are defined, we only need the A series
< 1708855491 351740 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :That'd be nice.
< 1708855523 286958 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :JAA: https://bigartandbanners.com/poster-printing/2a0-poster-printing.html
< 1708855533 673220 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :JAA: I'm not convinced about the “nobody ever uses”. printers for A0 are available in most photocopy shops here because engineer or architect students use it for homework all the time, so if it's that common than it's unlikely that nobody uses the size one larger
< 1708855541 122266 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"that nobody ever uses"
< 1708855545 832110 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and yes, advertisers probably use the larger sizes
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< 1708855570 383571 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though of course I'll call that A(-1) rather than some other stupid abbreviation
< 1708855644 635007 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if you don't like A(-1) then I'll just say 1.68 meters times 1.19 meters
< 1708855645 549033 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, they're probably used more often than, say, B0 through B3. But still, very rare.
< 1708855677 62080 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's useful to standardize rare use cases
< 1708855699 516460 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not sure advertisers use larger sizes typically. The ones I've seen were usually made from multiple smaller parts.
< 1708855702 324181 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :let me try to find the discussion we had for abbreviations of screen resolutions 
< 1708855728 247657 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :No idea what size those were though, didn't pay close attention to that.
< 1708855753 74066 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: I didn't mean to imply otherwise. :-)
< 1708855846 663104 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2021-10.html#lnX
< 1708855851 422774 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Of course billboards are their own proprietary mess. https://www.papersizes.org/billboard-sizes.htm
< 1708855870 778727 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :stars at https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2021-10.html#lKW
< 1708855913 593868 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: they're advertisers, they deserve to suffer in a hell of incomprehensible standards whose meanings they can't figure out, I think it's karmic
< 1708856001 940191 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean it was more me ranting than a "discussion"
< 1708856022 550307 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, those abbreviations, yeah. I've always ignored them since they wanted to convince me 'Full HD' was something else than 'HD'. That annoyed me enough already.
< 1708856066 41677 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that was when I was buying a new monitor because my previous one died, and I saw these abbreviations in the online shop
< 1708856073 385301 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :monitors? at the end of the day I look at the resolution
< 1708856078 822400 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it wasn't like idle curiosity
< 1708856092 713543 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, luckily the online shop was sensible enough to list that too
< 1708856095 644481 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and size)
< 1708856102 220077 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in decimal numbers
< 1708856118 32963 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :PCMCIA (people can't memorize computer industry acronyms)
< 1708856162 321270 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I also remember what it actually stands for... because of this joke.)
< 1708856163 197826 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Do we open the can of worms that is 'screen diagonal' or not?
< 1708856205 221215 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :JAA: you mean how a 22" 16:9 monitor has 6% less area than a 22" 4:3 monitor?
< 1708856215 514782 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, that kind of thing.
< 1708856230 746554 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :And also how they get weirdly rounded to get 'nicer' numbers.
< 1708856245 559283 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :I found out earlier that Framework's '13' devices are actually 13.5".
< 1708856281 810609 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Err, wrong number, it's 11%.
< 1708856312 982287 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The 6% number is how much longer the diagonal is at the same area.
< 1708856319 703668 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ah, yeah
< 1708856366 502581 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :> sqrt $ (4*3/(4^2+3^2))/(16*9/(16^2+9^2))
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< 1708856462 941565 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Hmm do they sell the ultra-widw 32:9 monitors by diagonal length too?
< 1708856483 644627 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I never wanted one so I don't know.)
< 1708856492 989362 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think they do, yeah.
< 1708856529 571744 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: if so than they got hit by their own terminology, because those monitors are usually curved, and curving makes the diagonal shorter
< 1708856539 981523 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( And when they're curved, do they use a screen space diagonal or a space diagonal... )
< 1708856573 162376 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: honestly I think they'll use the screen space diagonal then
< 1708856590 542168 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Just checked one of the largest online stores for electronics, yep, curved ultra-wide monitors do get a diagonal alright, whatever it is.
< 1708856611 563040 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :(One of the largest here*)
< 1708856624 841528 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esolangs :if they used space, then a 360 deg wrap around screen would have diagonal equal to height:(
< 1708856644 471608 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: wouldn't that be dishonest and won't they get sued for false advertising? the crow flies diagonal is what you see unless you're viewing the monitor from an unhealthy close distance 
< 1708856669 378070 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :'Screen curvature: 1000R, 1500R, 1800R, 3800R'  uh?
< 1708856696 804064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: measuring across a surface seems reasonable enough to me
< 1708856704 767665 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Radius of curvature in millimetre, makes sense.
< 1708856748 919116 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, bonus points, I get a 'display size' in inches and a 'screen size' in cm.
< 1708856749 590478 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's also "35 mm equivalent focal length", which is defined such that a camera and lens combo with 35 mm focal length d has a view angle of 2*arctan(36 mm / (2*d)) on the longer side and 2*arctan(24 mm / (2*d)) on the shorter side if the sensor has 4:3 aspect ratio, but an indeterminate view angle roughly close to that if the sensor has any other aspect ratio
< 1708856751 285064 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :awkward notation for something natural, got it.
< 1708856818 698435 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the "35 mm" name comes from how the film on which you took 36 mm × 24 mm frame size photos had a gross 35 mm width including the holes for cogwheels, in the direction that the frame is 24 mm tall
< 1708856867 878746 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :> Specifications may include unverified machine translations.
< 1708856869 50695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs : <hint>:1:60: error:
< 1708856869 137651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@haskell/bot/lambdabot PRIVMSG #esolangs :     parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched brackets)
< 1708856870 281594 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Thanks, I hate it.
< 1708856913 799732 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :do they say what it was translated from?
< 1708856926 250387 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Of course not.
< 1708856932 752118 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :cool
< 1708856942 842772 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :But likely German
< 1708856945 266720 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :what do they think "specification" means?
< 1708857053 286141 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and there's the freedom of sign convention for astigmatism: the left lens of my glasses has -10.0 diopters spherical plus -2.0 diopters cylindrical according to my optometrist, but -12.0 diopters spherical plus +2.0 diopters cylindrical according to the lens vendor. this one at least partially makes sense: the lens vendor uses the convention that lets you figure out how thick piece of special glass they 
< 1708857059 326400 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :have to start from, which determines who expensive a machine they need to grind it to the right shape.
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< 1708857073 451585 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :So this one monitor (Samsung S49AG950NU) with 32:9 and 1000R curvature has a 49" diagonal. They specify a 'visible screen area' of 34 dm^2.
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ACTION is too tired to do this calculation right now.

< 1708857467 364272 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I've seen those big curved 32:9 monitors because the CEOs bought themselves some at work. I wouldn't like one. Luckily they gave me a very fancy 16:9 ratio 27 inch diagonal 3840×2160 pixel resolution monitor, not one of the silly curved wide ones. 
< 1708857485 724392 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd think it could be pretty nice for gaming.
< 1708857514 419356 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Covering your entire field of view etc.
< 1708857649 293702 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :dunno, I don't play those fast paced first person shooter games
< 1708857674 347753 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :JAA: as long as they don't put importan UI elements at the left and right edges of the screen
< 1708857706 121559 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah, those areas would be just for peripheral vision.
< 1708857708 500532 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(which they probably don't because these silly monitors have been around for a while... but I suspect that was a problem initially)
< 1708857740 344463 :JAA!~JAA@user/jaa PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd expect so, yeah. 'We have soo much space now to put all our buttons!'
< 1708857777 223063 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :will I ever finish this silly thing I wonder... https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/shapez-todo.png
< 1708857797 659062 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://stickman.qntm.org/comics.php?n=10
< 1708857816 553690 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: what is that? 
< 1708857864 222083 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Btw I don't know how they actually measure the screen diagonals. It's a trade-off between a larger number and dealing with customers complaining about the diagonal being too short because actually measuring across the curved screen space is hard.
< 1708857950 50538 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"It takes me ten minutes to move the mouse pointer from one side of the screen to the other." and "My mouse mat is the size of a hockey rink."
< 1708857951 61577 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: It's the first stages of my true MAM project that I thought I could finish last year... there's still three stacking steps left, plus logic for that.
< 1708857990 148049 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: what throughput of MAM will that be?
< 1708858033 533469 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also started a new shapez game, but I have very little built from the MAM, mostly just the constant shape and color sources
< 1708858046 342893 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: 1 belt, though it wouldn't be too much extra work to make it produce 2 belts for the ordinary shapes.
< 1708858108 117107 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, is this the one that you want to turn to a universal shape maker?
< 1708858119 64522 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :one that can make any shape, not just freeplay shapes
< 1708858150 753114 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I've actually thought of another ultimate challenge for this game... a copy machine (take one belt of input, replicate the shapes on that belt in order). Because then you get all the pipelining opportunities that the main game doesn't provide.
< 1708858171 948418 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, that would be very hard
< 1708858192 570118 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's definitely possible
< 1708858218 463966 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but it's hard to get it to work if you allow the input belt at full speed
< 1708858233 144292 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and don't lose any shapes, but that's presumably by definition)
< 1708858257 336541 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: and yes, this is the one that's supposed to make all possible shapes.
< 1708858274 296703 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you want it full speed, or would you just slow down the belt to however fast you can produce the copies?
< 1708858328 328849 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: the copier? the speed (up to a full belt at full speed) would be one of the metrics to compete on.
< 1708858410 697212 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a pretty safe bet that I'm never going to actually make such a copier.
< 1708858444 588476 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :the prospect is rather intimidating :)
< 1708858479 452175 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes it is
< 1708861860 939561 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(there are ways to scale this down... like, make a copier that can deal with the 32 painted or unpainted basic shapes)
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