< 1711152362 447715 :Guest43!~Guest43@109.130.86.112 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest43 < 1711152369 169897 :Guest43!~Guest43@109.130.86.112 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hello > 1711152749 577998 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125142&oldid=125032 5* 03Alidonis12 5* (+165) 10/* Introductions */ > 1711152760 174263 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Alidonis1214]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125143 5* 03Alidonis12 5* (+85) 10Created my page < 1711152777 147178 :Guest43!~Guest43@109.130.86.112 PART :#esolangs > 1711152881 189472 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Alidonis12/sandbox14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125144 5* 03Alidonis12 5* (+186) 10Created page with "This is my esolangs sandbox. Most of these will probably never see the light off day! {| class="wikitable" |+ Esolangs Sandbox Navigation |- ! Esolang !! Link |- | Example || Example |}" > 1711152936 80311 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Alidonis1214]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125145&oldid=125143 5* 03Alidonis12 5* (+21) 10 > 1711154596 823119 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Looping counter14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125146&oldid=122898 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+162) 10/* Examples */ < 1711155372 305327 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.205.212.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl QUIT : > 1711155472 935689 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Alidonis12/sandbox/casm14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125147 5* 03Alidonis12 5* (+1056) 10Created page with "'''Casm''' (pronounced /kzm/) is an esoteric programming language invented by ~~~ inspired by 6502 assembly and C. Casm uses 16-bit addresses. Therefore, it is only be able to address up to '64K' (65535) bytes of contiguous memory. However, data < 1711157205 348076 :amby!~ambylastn@31.205.89.228 QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1711157884 206883 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do not like the example in the man page of the tsearch function. I would think that it should be better to use a static or stack allocation for the key, and then check if it matches and allocate dynamic memory if it does match, instead of to allocate and free memory every time < 1711158320 337695 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :HTTP/1.1 was invented only in 1996? I thought it was older than that. < 1711158347 833141 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :interesting < 1711158811 919894 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently the idea of header lines in mail and news, with header name followed by colon followed by value, continuation lines starting with whitespace, and delimited from the body with an empty line, that's like really ancient, yet the idea of adding that to HTTP requests and responses had to be discovered < 1711158843 820996 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also they had to invent reusing a TCP session for multiple requests and responses, even though SMTP has had that too for ages < 1711158866 165995 :Thelie!~Thelie@185.66.193.31 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1711158881 357379 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder why they complicated it with a status line that has a different format < 1711158892 368052 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it more or less coincides with web hosting, and a lot of those relied on disambiguating hosts by domain name which HTTP/0.9 couldn't do. < 1711158912 209363 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The status line may be from HTTP/0.9? < 1711158943 36759 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think HTTP/1.0 doesn't have the status line yet, but now I'm not sure < 1711159033 908350 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also they introduced Transfer-Encoding: chunked which is a completely different delimiting mechanism from the one that SMTP had for marking the end of the message and the two that MIME had for delimiting parts in a multi-part email < 1711159039 507077 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh HTTP/1.0 added the status. Hmm. < 1711159054 772163 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh did it? < 1711159055 927304 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :okay < 1711159115 831748 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :by the way, why is Transfer-Encoding get used for two entirely different things, as in chunked to find the end of the request/response body so that the TCP connection can be reused, and compression? shouldn't those two be orthogonal? < 1711159172 544933 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Even though it's different, this may still be modelled on SMTP? Or FTP which also has numeric codes like that. < 1711159253 790714 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, the status codes are probaly based on something like that < 1711159275 226646 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :heck, IRC has three-digit error codes too < 1711159300 646109 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can combine the features, e.g. Transfer-Encoding: gzip, chunked < 1711159305 40690 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION shrugs
< 1711159394 546790 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I guess content-type and character encoding is combined in a header too < 1711159613 156476 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :incidentally, in the IRC protocol, how did the numeric command 005 get used for something completely different than originally specified, in a way that doesn't seem like a conservative extension. is it just because some irc clients died on unknown numeric replies, even ones that start with 0, and this one wasn't unknown? < 1711159843 859157 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what you mean. < 1711159921 149313 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :RFC 2812 says that the 005 code is "Sent by the server to a user to suggest an alternative server. This is often used when the connection is refused because the server is already full." < 1711159969 61972 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in comparison, real IRC servers including libera use it to tell about some of their server/network features to the clients in a machine-readable way, including the maximum lengths for channel name and nickanme < 1711159983 259889 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and, most importantly, which of the two casefolding rules they use < 1711160055 748821 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :on libera you can even use the VERSION command to make the server resend it -- on some other servers that doesn't work, they only send it once at the start of a session < 1711160240 20719 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://stackoverflow.com/questions/23144371/confusion-about-the-005-irc-numeric-and-general-rfc says the reason is social < 1711160295 674351 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1711160337 618177 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so probably 004 existed already, and two people independently decided to use 005 for conflicting thigngs < 1711160351 41113 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's not one established code reused for something else, it was the obvious number taken twice < 1711160354 29392 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :makes sense < 1711160367 8489 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-brocklesby-irc-isupport-03#section-4.4 < 1711160380 409480 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(following one of the links in that answer) < 1711160530 411324 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this is why we should use 256-bit random codes instead of easy to conflict three-digit numbers, or xml namespaces that are based on domain name ownership even though domain name ownership is almost always temporary and has to be renewed with real money so it's a silly way to use for permanent namespacing < 1711160600 489398 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but of course that was less appropriate back when IRC was young < 1711160606 415918 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or use a name together with a timestamp (similar than how version 1 UUID is working) < 1711161015 127762 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that reminds me of https://xkcd.com/865/ < 1711161076 314408 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://modern.ircdocs.horse/ is really the reference for the IRC protocol as it actually is implemented. < 1711161095 734987 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :005 being RPL_ISUPPORT there. < 1711161250 748698 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: sure, the RFCs are very old < 1711161295 368027 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's just that when you have an old RFC then I expect all sorts of extensions which use new syntax rather than resuing one syntax for something else < 1711161325 746712 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :mind you, IRC has some weird syntax where the same command does different things depending on its parameters in a weird way: < 1711161378 382659 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :WHOIS, WHO, PING all have double duty depending on the number of arguments (though for WHO they're at least closely related), < 1711161401 339044 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and MODE is overloded in way more complex ways < 1711161426 480973 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there's a lot of historical cruft in this protocol < 1711161689 495113 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I still think IRC is working better than most of the more modern ones despite that though, even though it is not prefect. But there is the advantage of working without specialized software (even though a proper IRC client will generally be working better) < 1711164869 50112 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1711165194 833289 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse > 1711165994 524502 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ifthen14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125148&oldid=111597 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+26) 10 > 1711166279 683591 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TREE(3)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125149&oldid=125122 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+378) 10/* Programs */ > 1711166339 656407 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07TREE(3)//14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125150 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+1809) 10Created page with "..." > 1711171031 490911 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125151&oldid=125121 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+38) 10 > 1711171101 67339 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125152&oldid=124706 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+23) 10 > 1711171116 778264 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125153&oldid=125152 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (-38) 10 > 1711171257 478467 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Dongbei14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125154&oldid=125091 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+48) 10/* See also */ > 1711171431 564822 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125155&oldid=124819 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+215) 10 > 1711171462 755793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125156&oldid=125155 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (-6) 10/* Syntax */ > 1711172404 733901 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072/9 of an esolang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125157&oldid=125127 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+871) 10 > 1711175108 31449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125158&oldid=124679 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (-2) 10 < 1711176519 194486 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1711177842 206330 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1711178811 859394 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1711182723 226803 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1711185391 603252 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1711189317 629583 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1711189347 23116 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1711189495 751474 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1711189593 371742 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1711193498 182131 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, why do "awful" and "awesome" have opposite meanings? < 1711193589 421809 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :awe "an emotion variously combining dread, veneration, and wonder that is inspired by authority or by the sacred or sublime" < 1711193633 846329 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean, it's interesting that those two derived words separate the various causes to some extent. < 1711193648 508269 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But "awe" itself covers both. < 1711197528 689884 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie > 1711201237 378122 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07APLWSI14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125159&oldid=115846 5* 03Joaozin003 5* (-5) 10truer > 1711202019 403881 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Alidonis12/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125160&oldid=125144 5* 03Alidonis12 5* (+36) 10 > 1711202025 634913 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Alidonis12/sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125161&oldid=125160 5* 03Alidonis12 5* (-1) 10 > 1711202080 341776 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Alidonis12/sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125162&oldid=125161 5* 03Alidonis12 5* (+0) 10Fixed my link, for the 3rd time < 1711205293 350987 :FireFly!~firefly@glowbum/gluehwuermchen/firefly PRIVMSG #esolangs :clearly it's awful if it makes you go "aw" *nod* < 1711205375 913868 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ow < 1711205396 133685 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :
ACTION hits FireFly with an owful pun.
< 1711209334 33009 :amby!~ambylastn@31.205.89.228 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1711212443 169642 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1711212536 210396 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :ZNC - https://znc.in < 1711213226 499159 :SGautam!uid286066@id-286066.ilkley.irccloud.com JOIN #esolangs SGautam :Siddharth Gautam > 1711214259 878203 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Threads14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125163&oldid=125139 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+36) 10Category < 1711214679 207029 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1711217210 369777 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1711217240 754030 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1711218524 785818 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1711220597 309119 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1711222239 181321 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1711226610 100215 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5f96:6801:6149:486e:b015:dd90 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] impomatic < 1711227705 26231 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie > 1711228269 272086 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125164&oldid=113429 5* 03Aartaka 5* (+144) 10Mention str.bf algorithmic library. < 1711228340 912484 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1711228438 933217 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1711229427 417159 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.205.212.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull < 1711231536 993720 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe QUIT :Quit: zzzz <3 < 1711231642 214313 :Lymia!lymia@ayame.servers.aura.moe JOIN #esolangs Lymia :Lymia Aluysia < 1711232447 227079 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1711233434 576030 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1711234323 170512 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1711234469 960605 :impomatic!~impomatic@2a00:23c7:5f96:6801:6149:486e:b015:dd90 QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1711234507 226676 :amby!~ambylastn@31.205.89.228 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1711234592 264378 :amby!~ambylastn@31.205.89.228 JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1711234786 469175 :amby!~ambylastn@31.205.89.228 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1711234870 151464 :amby!~ambylastn@31.205.89.228 JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1711234942 706674 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1711236890 778864 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1711236908 574087 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1711237838 76030 :asthebird!~asthebird@124.217.188.64 JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] asthebird < 1711238160 146290 :asthebird!~asthebird@124.217.188.64 QUIT :Quit: Client closed