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11:23:44 <b_jonas> schachaf re https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-03.html#loW : 3/2 is what I got from a theoretical calculation, and a random simulation confirms it. the calculation is (sum[0 <= k] ((1 + k) * (1/3)**k * 1/6)) / (sum[0 <= k] (1/3)**k * 1/6), because if you roll 2 or 4 k times before you roll 6 that has the (unconditional) probability (1/3)**k*1/6, and the number of rolls is (k+1) in these 
11:23:51 <b_jonas> cases and that's what we have to take expected value of
11:24:06 <b_jonas> it's a nice surprising puzzle indeed
11:24:44 <b_jonas> ais523: ping because you replied to that puzzle as well
11:25:33 <int-e> b_jonas: I got 3/2 too.
11:26:01 <int-e> Also 7.5 for the same thing conditioned on there being an odd number.
11:26:54 <int-e> b_jonas: https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-03.html#lQW is when I had 3/2 :-)
11:28:58 <shachaf> So one way to think about it is that you roll until you get either a 6 or a 1,3,5 and then you stop the trial, and throw the results out unless it's a 6.
11:30:16 <int-e> Yeah the fun bit is that the value only depends on the probability to continue the trial in that mode, here 1/3 coming from 2 and 3.
11:30:35 <int-e> 2 and 4
11:31:01 <shachaf> Right.
11:31:50 <int-e> much easier than my first solution with 4x4 transition matrices
11:51:02 <shachaf> Here's another way of looking at it: https://s6.fi/tmp/hte-graph.png
11:51:43 <shachaf> Well, at the related problem where you flip 3-sided coins (H/T/E) until you get an H, and throw out any trials with E.
11:52:45 <shachaf> You start at the root and randomly follow edges until you reach a terminal node.
11:53:00 <shachaf> All the red edges make it much harder to reach a deep leaf.
11:53:13 <int-e> but how does it relate to https://research.ibm.com/haifa/ponderthis/challenges/February2024.html :-)
11:53:15 <shachaf> Hmm, maybe this is what int-e's 4x4 transition matrix was.
11:55:22 <int-e> The matrix was [1/3,1/2,1/6,0; 0,5/6,0,1/6; 0,0,0,0; 0,0,0,0] with two absorbing states for getting a 6 without odd numbers or with an odd number. The math is easier if absorbing states die, that's why there are all-zero rows.
11:57:21 <int-e> shachaf: https://paste.debian.net/1312504/
11:59:40 <int-e> (possible plausibility check: 3/8 + 45/8 = 6 is the expected number of rolls to get a 6)
11:59:46 <b_jonas> but why are there two non-absorbing states?
12:00:28 <int-e> b_jonas: because I'm tracking the runs that have at least one odd number
12:00:37 <b_jonas> ah
12:00:45 <b_jonas> you continue after there's an odd number, you just count separately
12:00:51 <int-e> it was overcomplicated for the task
12:01:14 <int-e> but redundancy helps with working out kinks
12:01:34 <b_jonas> sure
12:02:18 <b_jonas> that's why I used two methods: a head calculation with geometric series, and a computer randomized simulation that gave the empirical mean as 1.50026 rolls
12:05:10 <int-e> You can truncate A to [1/3,1/6; 0,0] and then powers of A becomes so simple that the matrix looks silly.
12:06:11 <int-e> But I think it's also helpful to be able to do this for general Markov chains :)
12:10:33 <esolangs> [[++]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125570 * PrySigneToFry * (+2839) Created page with ""++" is a Esolang same as "[[Ook!]]".  The founders of the "Ook!" thought that the programming language could even be learned by orangutans, so they didn't open up the comment function.  If you wanna learn "", you must learn [[Brainfuck|Brainf*ck]].  === The syntax ===
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12:12:25 <shachaf> int-e: Ah, makes sense, that seems good.
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14:27:35 <esolangs> [[Self-replicating marbles]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125579&oldid=125526 * Joaozin003 * (+41) clarification
14:29:10 <esolangs> [[Self-replicating marbles]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125580&oldid=125579 * Joaozin003 * (+76) :)
14:56:18 <b_jonas> just noting that we have about 77 days, up to 2024-06-16, to change the featured language on the wiki
14:56:36 <b_jonas> it's getting more and more urgent, so the wiki editors will have to start preparing for it
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15:44:10 <ais523> b_jonas: what causes the deadline?
15:48:42 <b_jonas> ais523: brainfuck was a featured language for way too long, so we don't want another language featured for even longer
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15:53:16 <b_jonas> as in, ideally we want to be able to change that we change the featured language regularly, say once every 6 months, but it's too late to say that, and it's too late to say that we change it every two years, but at least we should be able to claim that we change the featured language regularly every 5.2 years in the worst case
15:57:44 <ais523> one of the problems is that a) most of the language writeups on Esolang aren't very good / worth featuring, and b) many that are are written by people who would be making the featuring decisions
15:59:44 <ais523> and also, I feel like my writeups nowadays are less in-depth than they used to be – I just want to get the important information out there rather than making a complete article
16:08:25 <b_jonas> ais523: well sure, so we probably shouldn't be going for something like a featured language every month, but surely we can at least produce one every five year, right?
16:09:56 <ais523> I think it may be worth checking. not just for languages which are interesting enough to feature (we have plenty of those), but also ones whose write-ups are very good
16:10:07 <ais523> even if we don't mess around with featuring, having better writeups will be helpful
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20:25:01 <esolangs> [[DeafPig]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125583&oldid=101570 * Joaozin003 * (+12) an empty program is a quine
20:38:02 <esolangs> [[BFMacros]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125584&oldid=125420 * EvyLah * (+2) ok a command is just wrong
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