Ook? Oo
> 1711892375 71131 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ook!14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125605&oldid=125389 5* 03None1 5* (+12) 10/* See also */
> 1711892921 739081 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125606&oldid=125601 5* 03None1 5* (+12) 10/* O */
> 1711893160 679393 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125607&oldid=125295 5* 03None1 5* (+39) 10/* My Esolangs */
> 1711893465 107515 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck speed test14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125608&oldid=116120 5* 03None1 5* (+89) 10/* Result */ Added esco interpreter
> 1711893815 923022 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck speed test14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125609&oldid=125608 5* 03None1 5* (+93) 10/* Result */ Added bfrun
> 1711894030 482646 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 overwrite10 02 5* 03None1 5* 10uploaded a new version of "[[02File:Brainfuck speed chart.png10]]": Update speed chart
> 1711894157 54022 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125611&oldid=125397 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+4027) 10
> 1711894181 363004 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck speed test14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125612&oldid=125609 5* 03None1 5* (+11) 10/* Conclusion */
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< 1711897897 491021 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Ooh, Revision demoparty's "wild" compo (as in, all platforms that don't fit anywhere else) has a video tutorial of Piet.
< 1711897957 443866 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :With a link to the wiki. :)
< 1711899758 314718 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There was also an image in the form of a polyglot executable for various different platforms (as well as the same file acting as a ZIP of the source code, and a PDF file), which isn't exactly esolangs but kinda adjacent.
< 1711900048 695659 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ACTION is kind of curious whether Google's rolling release Debian thing is affected by that xz easter egg.
< 1711900062 165219 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I don't really expect an answer)
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< 1711900228 483627 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I was kind of tempted to open the work laptop and look at the internal issue tracker for anything related to it (though security ones aren't always visible companywide), but not tempted enough to go that far on a holiday.
< 1711900457 220771 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The poetterer claimed in a HN thread that it's not systemd's fault because he "tell[s] pretty much anyone who wants to listen that they should just implement the [systemd daemon readiness notification] proto on their own if thats rhe only reason for a libsystemd dep otherwise", though it's a little unclear how true that is.
< 1711900508 164527 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds... unrealistic
< 1711900555 13149 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's a single UDP datagram containing the text "READY=1" written into a socket whose name is in an environment variable, so I don't know about that.
< 1711900559 705909 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(in our software development culture which is heavily focussed on reusing existing code)
< 1711900573 716978 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :But at least the systemd.service(5) man page makes no suggestion to do so, just saying: "For an example of how to update daemons to support this [notification] protocol transparently, take a look at sd_notify(3)."
< 1711900588 67076 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :whereas pid1 is in the perfect position to provide a minimal systemd-notify library (or whatever)
< 1711900657 554608 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :He also claims that liblzma will end up in sshd anyway "at the very least via libpam/pam_selinux", which at least on a Debian system just seems to be false.
< 1711900676 117063 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm not totally blaming systemd for this... sshd could've depended on liblzma for any number of reasons; it's not exactly a slim package.)
< 1711900705 740533 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :or another similarly placed library
< 1711900733 214522 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean this is quite literally a case of https://xkcd.com/2347/
< 1711900778 313008 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry8SEtDnVUQ
< 1711900782 71722 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :the piet demo
< 1711900783 398427 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's sort of an obviously security-sensitive case, though, so I was a *little* surprised about how unconcerned people seem to have been about extra dependencies.
< 1711900796 396910 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would blame systemd for bringing in more dependencies, of course.
< 1711900810 308542 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Generally speaking.
< 1711900827 790608 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: people are unconcerend because it's caught early enough, in a recent release that not many people have installed yet
< 1711900846 823869 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sknebel: quack
< 1711900864 282898 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, I mean, unconcerned when they patched sshd to depend on systemd.
< 1711900903 817222 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"these are all core libraries that are used everywhere and have many eyes on them, plus people ask for this feature constantly"
< 1711900907 907376 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that doesn't make me concerned either. I mean you already have systemd running on the system, it's not like sshd patched to support it makes it worse
< 1711900926 973899 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :heck, maybe if you dig deeply enough you'll find another Jia T-like actor pushing for this logging feature.
< 1711900933 697579 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm sure people will be looking at *that*.
< 1711901018 630010 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Patching sshd to support it gives it an additional remotely accessible entry point, which I feel you should try to minimize as a rule.
< 1711901071 127215 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Eh, without the benefit of hindsight it's not obviously remotely accessible; it's adding a logging call on startup.
< 1711901099 651553 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :On the Revision front, there was also an entry where the visuals were a bunch of scrollbars placed side-by-side, because they have that grey indicator thing of what's currently visible.
< 1711901115 447704 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :With hindsight, that's demonstrably false of course.
< 1711901201 932043 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :My favorite commit message in all of this is https://github.com/marekr/xz-backup/commit/6e636819e8f070330d835fce46289a3ff72a7b89#diff-d6ad794dfb8c5e54b5c8554bbdaaae319eb3fae2e025b1c94b24b0327a977344
< 1711901232 92470 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It's not quite a lie... but the "seed" is a 88kb .o file among other things.
< 1711901298 276854 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Anyway, plenty of lessons to be learned here.
< 1711901320 859410 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There were a lot of "include me in the screenshot" comments in the GitHub xz repo before it got... made inaccessible.
< 1711901357 13255 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yeah that was a poor ass-covering move :-/
< 1711901361 26500 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :lots of good info lost
< 1711902507 269774 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :tomorrow is wisdom password change day. Sigbovik is four days after that, which is a bit unusual but whatever
< 1711902578 670842 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Delayed by Easter no doubt.
> 1711902752 52846 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07~ATH14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125613&oldid=125603 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (-15) 10/* Tutorial */
< 1711902762 611661 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, probably
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< 1711904339 285929 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :re the "scrollbars demo" mentioned above: https://chaos.social/@blinry/112191314022487615
> 1711905276 135557 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck Python interpreter (ChatGPT)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125614 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+2271) 10Created page with "Here is a Brainfuck interpreter in Python. Edited from the [[Numberfuck]] interpreter which was coded by ChatGPT. Still is optimized for everything, including printing the full lyrics of the song [[Never Gonna Give You Up]]. def int
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< 1711907268 531947 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The whole stream's not up at https://www.youtube.com/@revisionparty/videos yet but maybe it'll be.
< 1711907280 853787 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also lightly esolangs-adjacent, in a sort of computer equivalent of a Turing tarpit (except maybe not quite that extreme), Revision has a "fantasy computer" category too. It was mostly TIC-80, with some PICO-8 things as well.
< 1711907367 24719 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :TIC doesnt feel very esolang-y to me
< 1711907381 620033 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :although it supports tons of languages, and it'd be kinda fun to put an esolang in there as an option
< 1711907416 552733 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :although many dont really have a way of calling API functions I guess...
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> 1711910877 410449 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stringle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125615&oldid=125596 5* 03Function call without parameters 5* (+354) 10BCT interpreter
< 1711911154 286661 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's an implementation of https://esolangs.org/wiki/OW-1 for TIC-80, based on a quick wiki search. And no, it's not that esolangs-y as such.
< 1711911394 70667 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :And https://esolangs.org/wiki/4BOD is some sort of an extremization of TIC-80 and PICO-8.
> 1711912281 600850 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Function call without parameters 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Stringle Cheat Sheet.png10]]"
> 1711912373 566161 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stringle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125617&oldid=125615 5* 03Function call without parameters 5* (+135) 10cheat sheet added
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> 1711914822 357849 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BFMacros14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125618&oldid=125584 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+117) 10
> 1711915400 333405 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Useful brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125619&oldid=125215 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+32) 10
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> 1711917861 778179 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Useful brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125620&oldid=125619 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+221) 10categories and no wip anymore whoo
> 1711917991 596797 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stringle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125621&oldid=125617 5* 03Function call without parameters 5* (+161) 10
> 1711918016 906978 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Useful brainfuck14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125622&oldid=125620 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+74) 10removed hello world because I haven't made it yet
> 1711918044 390283 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:EvyLah14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125623&oldid=125585 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+1) 10
> 1711918200 781371 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:EvyLah14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125624&oldid=125623 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+230) 10
> 1711918536 730940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07-Data Storage14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125625 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+434) 10creation (finish this later)
> 1711918553 815977 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:EvyLah14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125626&oldid=125624 5* 03EvyLah 5* (-1) 10
> 1711918880 487339 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Everyonelang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125627&oldid=125300 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+239) 10changed a few things and added a way to read the grid lol
< 1711920793 483728 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's also a 64k intro by someone named "immibis", which I recognize as a channel regular (unless it's a case of nickname collision).
< 1711920950 464572 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The greets section mentioned another name I recognizer from the channel ("asiekierka"), so probably the same person.
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> 1711926293 712570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Brainfuck speed test14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125629&oldid=125612 5* 03None1 5* (+10) 10/* Result */
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