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01:04:32 <esolangs> [[Stringle]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125590&oldid=125589 * Function call without parameters * (+135) /* The curtail operator (# as a write target) */
01:05:30 <esolangs> [[Stringle]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125591&oldid=125590 * Function call without parameters * (+16) /* Number representation */
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02:53:29 <esolangs> [[Stringle]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125592&oldid=125591 * Function call without parameters * (+90) 
03:20:11 <esolangs> [[Stringle]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125593&oldid=125592 * Function call without parameters * (+0) /* The curtail operator (# as a write target) */
03:20:44 <esolangs> [[Stringle]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125594&oldid=125593 * Function call without parameters * (+4) 
03:55:19 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125595&oldid=125594 * Function call without parameters * (+106) +etymology
04:04:54 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125596&oldid=125595 * Function call without parameters * (+46) 
04:52:29 <esolangs> [[Free Esolang]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125597&oldid=125213 * PrySigneToFry * (+1124) /* Original Command */
04:53:07 <esolangs> [[Free Esolang]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125598&oldid=125597 * PrySigneToFry * (+40) 
05:01:14 <esolangs> [[Mariofuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125599&oldid=125461 * PrySigneToFry * (+956) 
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07:58:22 <esolangs> [[Oh, fuck!]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125600 * PrySigneToFry * (+1694) Created page with "Oh, Fuck! is a Esolang based on Brainfuck but more commands.  It is full of onomatopoeias.  == Commands ==  {| class="wikitable" |+ Commands |- ! Oh, Fuck! !! Mean |- |  || Increment the data at the pointer. |- |  || Decrement the data at the pointer. |- |  || I
07:58:49 <esolangs> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125601&oldid=125588 * PrySigneToFry * (+16) /* O */
08:06:41 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125602&oldid=125551 * PrySigneToFry * (+162) /* Implementations */
08:12:48 <esolangs> [[~ATH]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125603&oldid=109750 * PrySigneToFry * (+29) 
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13:39:18 <esolangs> [[Ook!+]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125604 * None1 * (+3956) Created page with "Ook!+ is an extension to [[Ook!]] invented by [[User:None1]], it is equivalent to [[Random Brainfuck]].  This is created because the author noticed that the <code>Ook? Ook?</code> command in Ook! is useless (because it does no operation). In Ook++, the command <code>Ook? Oo
13:39:35 <esolangs> [[Ook!]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125605&oldid=125389 * None1 * (+12) /* See also */
13:48:41 <esolangs> [[Language list]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125606&oldid=125601 * None1 * (+12) /* O */
13:52:40 <esolangs> [[User:None1]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125607&oldid=125295 * None1 * (+39) /* My Esolangs */
13:57:45 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125608&oldid=116120 * None1 * (+89) /* Result */  Added esco interpreter
14:03:35 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125609&oldid=125608 * None1 * (+93) /* Result */  Added bfrun
14:07:10 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite  * None1 *  uploaded a new version of "[[File:Brainfuck speed chart.png]]": Update speed chart
14:09:17 <esolangs> [[Hello world program in esoteric languages (nonalphabetic and A-M)]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125611&oldid=125397 * Cleverxia * (+4027) 
14:09:41 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125612&oldid=125609 * None1 * (+11) /* Conclusion */
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15:11:37 <fizzie> Ooh, Revision demoparty's "wild" compo (as in, all platforms that don't fit anywhere else) has a video tutorial of Piet.
15:12:37 <fizzie> With a link to the wiki. :)
15:42:38 <fizzie> There was also an image in the form of a polyglot executable for various different platforms (as well as the same file acting as a ZIP of the source code, and a PDF file), which isn't exactly esolangs but kinda adjacent.
15:47:28 * int-e is kind of curious whether Google's rolling release Debian thing is affected by that xz easter egg.
15:47:42 <int-e> (I don't really expect an answer)
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15:50:28 <fizzie> I was kind of tempted to open the work laptop and look at the internal issue tracker for anything related to it (though security ones aren't always visible companywide), but not tempted enough to go that far on a holiday.
15:54:17 <fizzie> The poetterer claimed in a HN thread that it's not systemd's fault because he "tell[s] pretty much anyone who wants to listen that they should just implement the [systemd daemon readiness notification] proto on their own if thats rhe only reason for a libsystemd dep otherwise", though it's a little unclear how true that is.
15:55:08 <int-e> that sounds... unrealistic
15:55:55 <fizzie> It's a single UDP datagram containing the text "READY=1" written into a socket whose name is in an environment variable, so I don't know about that.
15:55:59 <int-e> (in our software development culture which is heavily focussed on reusing existing code)
15:56:13 <fizzie> But at least the systemd.service(5) man page makes no suggestion to do so, just saying: "For an example of how to update daemons to support this [notification] protocol transparently, take a look at sd_notify(3)."
15:56:28 <int-e> whereas pid1 is in the perfect position to provide a minimal systemd-notify library (or whatever)
15:57:37 <fizzie> He also claims that liblzma will end up in sshd anyway "at the very least via libpam/pam_selinux", which at least on a Debian system just seems to be false.
15:57:56 <int-e> (I'm not totally blaming systemd for this... sshd could've depended on liblzma for any number of reasons; it's not exactly a slim package.)
15:58:25 <int-e> or another similarly placed library
15:58:53 <int-e> I mean this is quite literally a case of https://xkcd.com/2347/
15:59:38 <sknebel> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry8SEtDnVUQ
15:59:42 <sknebel> the piet demo
15:59:43 <fizzie> It's sort of an obviously security-sensitive case, though, so I was a *little* surprised about how unconcerned people seem to have been about extra dependencies.
15:59:56 <int-e> I would blame systemd for bringing in more dependencies, of course.
16:00:10 <int-e> Generally speaking.
16:00:27 <b_jonas> fizzie: people are unconcerend because it's caught early enough, in a recent release that not many people have installed yet
16:00:46 <int-e> sknebel: quack
16:01:04 <fizzie> No, I mean, unconcerned when they patched sshd to depend on systemd.
16:01:43 <int-e> "these are all core libraries that are used everywhere and have many eyes on them, plus people ask for this feature constantly"
16:01:47 <b_jonas> that doesn't make me concerned either. I mean you already have systemd running on the system, it's not like sshd patched to support it makes it worse
16:02:06 <int-e> heck, maybe if you dig deeply enough you'll find another Jia T-like actor pushing for this logging feature.
16:02:13 <int-e> I'm sure people will be looking at *that*.
16:03:38 <fizzie> Patching sshd to support it gives it an additional remotely accessible entry point, which I feel you should try to minimize as a rule.
16:04:31 <int-e> Eh, without the benefit of hindsight it's not obviously remotely accessible; it's adding a logging call on startup.
16:04:59 <fizzie> On the Revision front, there was also an entry where the visuals were a bunch of scrollbars placed side-by-side, because they have that grey indicator thing of what's currently visible.
16:05:15 <int-e> With hindsight, that's demonstrably false of course.
16:06:41 <int-e> My favorite commit message in all of this is https://github.com/marekr/xz-backup/commit/6e636819e8f070330d835fce46289a3ff72a7b89#diff-d6ad794dfb8c5e54b5c8554bbdaaae319eb3fae2e025b1c94b24b0327a977344
16:07:12 <int-e> It's not quite a lie... but the "seed" is a 88kb .o file among other things.
16:08:18 <int-e> Anyway, plenty of lessons to be learned here.
16:08:40 <fizzie> There were a lot of "include me in the screenshot" comments in the GitHub xz repo before it got... made inaccessible.
16:09:17 <int-e> Yeah that was a poor ass-covering move :-/
16:09:21 <int-e> lots of good info lost
16:28:27 <b_jonas> tomorrow is wisdom password change day. Sigbovik is four days after that, which is a bit unusual but whatever
16:29:38 <int-e> Delayed by Easter no doubt.
16:32:32 <esolangs> [[~ATH]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125613&oldid=125603 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (-15) /* Tutorial */
16:32:42 <b_jonas> yeah, probably
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16:58:59 <sknebel> re the "scrollbars demo" mentioned above: https://chaos.social/@blinry/112191314022487615
17:14:36 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck Python interpreter (ChatGPT)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125614 * MihaiEso * (+2271) Created page with "Here is a Brainfuck interpreter in Python. Edited from the [[Numberfuck]] interpreter which was coded by ChatGPT. Still is optimized for everything, including printing the full lyrics of the song [[Never Gonna Give You Up]]. <pre> def int
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17:47:48 <fizzie> The whole stream's not up at https://www.youtube.com/@revisionparty/videos yet but maybe it'll be.
17:48:00 <fizzie> Also lightly esolangs-adjacent, in a sort of computer equivalent of a Turing tarpit (except maybe not quite that extreme), Revision has a "fantasy computer" category too. It was mostly TIC-80, with some PICO-8 things as well.
17:49:27 <sknebel> TIC doesnt feel very esolang-y to me
17:49:41 <sknebel> although it supports tons of languages, and it'd be kinda fun to put an esolang in there as an option
17:50:16 <sknebel> although many dont really have a way of calling API functions I guess...
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18:47:57 <esolangs> [[Stringle]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125615&oldid=125596 * Function call without parameters * (+354) BCT interpreter
18:52:34 <fizzie> There's an implementation of https://esolangs.org/wiki/OW-1 for TIC-80, based on a quick wiki search. And no, it's not that esolangs-y as such.
18:56:34 <fizzie> And https://esolangs.org/wiki/4BOD is some sort of an extremization of TIC-80 and PICO-8.
19:11:21 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] upload  * Function call without parameters *  uploaded "[[File:Stringle Cheat Sheet.png]]"
19:12:53 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125617&oldid=125615 * Function call without parameters * (+135) cheat sheet added
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19:53:42 <esolangs> [[BFMacros]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125618&oldid=125584 * EvyLah * (+117) 
20:03:20 <esolangs> [[Useful brainfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125619&oldid=125215 * EvyLah * (+32) 
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20:44:21 <esolangs> [[Useful brainfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125620&oldid=125619 * EvyLah * (+221) categories and no wip anymore whoo
20:46:31 <esolangs> [[Stringle]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125621&oldid=125617 * Function call without parameters * (+161) 
20:46:56 <esolangs> [[Useful brainfuck]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125622&oldid=125620 * EvyLah * (+74) removed hello world because I haven't made it yet
20:47:24 <esolangs> [[User:EvyLah]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125623&oldid=125585 * EvyLah * (+1) 
20:50:00 <esolangs> [[User:EvyLah]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125624&oldid=125623 * EvyLah * (+230) 
20:55:36 <esolangs> [[-Data Storage]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125625 * EvyLah * (+434) creation (finish this later)
20:55:53 <esolangs> [[User:EvyLah]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125626&oldid=125624 * EvyLah * (-1) 
21:01:20 <esolangs> [[Everyonelang]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125627&oldid=125300 * EvyLah * (+239) changed a few things and added a way to read the grid lol
21:33:13 <fizzie> There's also a 64k intro by someone named "immibis", which I recognize as a channel regular (unless it's a case of nickname collision).
21:35:50 <fizzie> The greets section mentioned another name I recognizer from the channel ("asiekierka"), so probably the same person.
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23:00:20 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck Python interpreter (ChatGPT)]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125628&oldid=125614 * None1 * (+29) 
23:04:53 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck speed test]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125629&oldid=125612 * None1 * (+10) /* Result */
23:26:30 <esolangs> [[Stringle]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125630&oldid=125621 * Function call without parameters * (+862)