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00:03:56 <fizzie> I'm grateful to that wallops message for reminding me that it's That Day again.
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01:17:59 <b_jonas> fizzie: it's password changing day!
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02:14:03 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125638&oldid=125637 * Function call without parameters * (+262) /* Extract nth character of string */
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06:03:52 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125642&oldid=125641 * Function call without parameters * (+239) /* The ~ (join) predicate */
06:15:31 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125643&oldid=125642 * Function call without parameters * (-2) /* The reverse-curtail compound operator (#\) */
06:20:01 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125644&oldid=125643 * Function call without parameters * (+30) /* String operators */
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06:51:02 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/upload]] overwrite * Function call without parameters * uploaded a new version of "[[File:Stringle Cheat Sheet.png]]": new, more compact layout
07:04:37 <int-e> b_jonas: I never do anything of importance on April Fool's day ;-)
07:48:22 <int-e> . o O ( "April Fools death compilation" )
07:52:25 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125646&oldid=125546 * Cleverxia * (+387) /* JavaScript interpreters */
07:53:00 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125647&oldid=125646 * Cleverxia * (+22) the author
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08:38:20 <int-e> This fucking day, meh.
08:38:54 <int-e> (https://www.speedrun.com/adgac has a fake world record)
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11:01:33 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125652&oldid=125647 * None1 * (+2) /* OutputF interpreters */
11:38:04 <esolangs> [[Deadfih]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125653 * Cleverxia * (+465) Created page with "Deadfih is an esolang based on [[Deadfish]]. ==Instructions== It's just Deadfish without the S instruction, so: {| class="wikitable" |+ Caption text |- ! instruction !! meaning |- | i || Increment |- | d || Decrement |- | o || Output as character |} ==Examples== pri
11:38:44 <esolangs> [[Deadfih]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125654&oldid=125653 * Cleverxia * (+69) /* Instructions */
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11:51:07 <esolangs> [[JCLN]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125659&oldid=97027 * Cleverxia * (-6)
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12:35:53 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck extended]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125663&oldid=113443 * None1 * (+0) /* Register Commands */
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12:54:42 <b_jonas> `slashlearn The password of the month is tan(pi/16) = 1/5.
12:54:43 <HackEso> Usage: `le/[/]rn <key>//<wisdom>
12:54:51 <b_jonas> `slashlearn password//The password of the month is tan(pi/16) = 1/5.
12:54:55 <HackEso> Relearned 'password': The password of the month is tan(pi/16) = 1/5.
12:54:58 <b_jonas> `? password
12:55:00 <HackEso> The password of the month is tan(pi/16) = 1/5.
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12:58:44 <b_jonas> nice, it's not just stupid ones, some people have made high effort april fools stuff with
12:59:57 <b_jonas> (more will be coming on Sigbovik I hope)
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13:02:24 <b_jonas> I'm currently watching and laughing at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXr-_bDnnN4
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13:03:07 <b_jonas> it has proper closed captioning too
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13:32:17 <esolangs> [[Mariofuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125666&oldid=125599 * MihaiEso * (+87) /* Python */
13:41:21 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck Python interpreter]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125667&oldid=122129 * None1 * (+968)
13:56:30 <esolangs> [[Hanzifuck]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125668 * MihaiEso * (+4989) Created page with "'''Hanzifuck''' is a esolang made by Mihai Popa. It's [[Brainfuck]], but you only use Chinese characters instead of symbols to make programs. ''What to do?'' '''Just speak Chinese!''' Idea by [[User:None1|None1]] and [[User:PrySigneToFry|PrySigneToFry]]! == Table
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14:28:08 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125671 * MihaiEso * (+1368) Created page with "{{WIP}} UserEdited is a language made by Mihai Popa. You can add more commands if you wish because this is user-edited! ==Commands== {| class="wikitable" |+ Command list |- ! Command !! Meaning !! Added by |- | <code>H</code>|| Prints "Hello, world!". || [[User:Miha
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14:50:36 <esolangs> [[UserEdited]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125674&oldid=125671 * MihaiEso * (+967) /* Commands */ Added 7 more commands.
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15:09:02 <esolangs> [[A programming language is a system of notation for writing computer programs.]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125676&oldid=123118 * TheThunderGuyS * (-54) fix
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15:10:19 <ais523> unless I'm missing a word, English seems not to have a word to describe things that have around a 30-40% chance of happening
15:10:34 <ais523> "possible" is frequently more like 10%, and "probable" and "likely" above 50%
15:10:58 <ais523> this is bothering me quite a bit because it makes it hard to discuss events of that nature
15:11:02 <b_jonas> ais523: there's "sometimes"
15:11:23 <FireFly> "occasional"?
15:11:33 <ais523> b_jonas: that works for an inconsistently recurring event, but not for an event that is expected to happen at a given time or not at all
15:11:34 <FireFly> maybe that's implying less too
15:11:50 <FireFly> mm fair
15:11:53 <ais523> I can say "it is likely to rain tonight", but "it will sometimes rain tonight" has the wrong meaning
15:12:06 <ais523> (implying that it will rain at some points but not others during the night)
15:12:29 <FireFly> "possible" kinda works in my mind for that kinda possibility too
15:12:54 <esolangs> [[Hanzifuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125677&oldid=125668 * MihaiEso * (+7)
15:14:15 <b_jonas> hmm
15:15:51 <fizzie> What's the probability for "it may rain tonight"?
15:17:14 <b_jonas> so you'd have to say something complicated like "it's more likely than not that it won't rain tonight"
15:17:39 <fizzie> Funny how probable and likely are > 50% but improbable and unlikely are < 10%.
15:17:45 <ais523> fizzie: I think that covers a range from 1% up to about 60% or maybe 70%
15:19:49 <ais523> but I have enough experience as a programmer that it may be influencing the way I interpret English statements
15:24:00 <ais523> meanwhile, how are the April 1 celebrations going? I'm expecting it to be pretty muted this year, given what's been going on with the major tech companies recently
15:26:39 <b_jonas> ais523: Sigbovik is delayed to 2024-04-05, so some of the celebration will be then. There's one high-effort april fools video out with a lot of detailed work in it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXr-_bDnnN4
15:26:57 <b_jonas> there's probably more stuff out there that I haven't seen yet
15:27:50 <b_jonas> also it's still a government holiday in a large part of Europe
15:28:52 <ais523> yes, the timing of Easter this year causes complications
15:29:33 <fizzie> I did chuckle at the libera.cat rebrand, even if it is kind of... eh.
15:29:40 <ais523> in the UK it is a "bank holiday", which is observed by most businesses except shops (the name comes from the fact that banks are closed)
15:31:01 <fizzie> (Did see a few people go from a `user/foo` cloak to a `user/meow/foo` one too.)
15:31:38 <b_jonas> heh, indeed there are some right on this channel
15:32:09 <ais523> Wikipedia is doing its usual April 1 celebration, which is the same every year but done because it works so well
15:32:19 <b_jonas> yep
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15:43:39 <fizzie> There was a bad one in my newsfeed from one of the more ad-riddled local news sites about giving all the Tube lines new names, as a follow-up of giving all the Overground lines names (which was a real thing that happened).
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15:44:29 <ais523> giving the Overground lines names was reasonable, though
15:44:33 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125678&oldid=125662 * Xff * (+170)
15:45:00 <ais523> (it is a change I am neutral about – I didn't have trouble using the Overground beforehand, on those occasions when I was in London)
15:46:35 <esolangs> [[User:Tscoct]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125679 * Tscoct * (+36) Created page with "barely knoiw how to use a calculator"
15:47:02 <fizzie> I'm equally neutral of them having names, though I feel like I'm probably not going to learn them. There's just one (less-than-yearly) repeat journey that the Overground is useful for me, anyway.
15:47:13 <fizzie> Finally managed to try out the Elizabeth Line the other day, though.
15:48:15 <b_jonas> fizzie: I think a joke about that was made before april. let me find it,
15:49:15 <fizzie> Apparently Aldi's joke this year was about haggis-flavoured ice cream branded "Häggis-Dazs", that's kind of funny.
15:50:13 <ais523> I go to London rarely enough that, if I'm not under time pressure, I often take inefficient routes on the Underground just for the experience
15:50:23 <ais523> (I used to go more often, but still rarely enough that I would do that)
15:50:40 <b_jonas> https://www.samizdata.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/New-Overland-Lines.png
15:50:46 <ais523> here, I'm using "Underground" to include the Overground, which is probably not technically correct
15:51:03 <ais523> but there isn't a huge distinction between them (the Underground is also aboveground sometimes)
15:51:34 <b_jonas> https://www.datasecretslox.com/index.php/topic,11028.msg485078.html#msg485078 for dating
15:57:03 <fizzie> Yeah, I think there's only two lines that have no above-ground sections; Victoria Line, which I used to commute on, and the Waterloo & City Line which barely counts as a line since it has just two stops on it.
15:57:07 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125680&oldid=125678 * MihaiEso * (+5)
15:57:20 <b_jonas> yeah, the distinction gets tricky. in Budapest the Metro and HÉV differs in what company runs them, but I think that gets reorganized every few decades anyway; that the HÉV has a more complicated pricing scheme, but at one point they invented a complicated scheme for the metro too, they just discontinued that since; that the HÉV has level train-road crossings, but only the outer parts, the parts
15:57:27 <b_jonas> closer to the city center don't, so maybe if the metro lines reached far enough out they'd get them too; and that you're allowed to carry bicycles on the HÉV, but then there are also a few tram lines on which you're allowed to carry bicycles and that doesn't make them a separate category of transportation.
15:58:34 <b_jonas> Paris does the distinction cleanly: the Metro drives on the right hand side, the RER drives on the left hand side. in Budapest the Metro and most of the HÉV lines run on the right hand side, but one HÉV lines run on the left.
15:59:26 <b_jonas> the HÉV is mostly above ground and the Metro is mostly underground, but it's just mostly
15:59:51 <b_jonas> some cities in germany have both U-Bahn and S-Bahn with similarly unclear distinctions
16:01:35 <b_jonas> oh, and by the way, do you know what the most clear distinction is between Metro/HÉV and other (usually but not necessarily long distance) passenger trains? it's that trains have a toilet.
16:02:38 <b_jonas> that's it, that's the only universally observed one. usually there's the distinction that on the Metro/HÉV the passengers can't pass between carriages while the train is moving, while on trains they can, but there are some older smaller trains where you can't walk between the wagons either
16:04:11 <fizzie> London has the same fare zones for the TfL-operated things (Underground, Overground, ...) and the National Rail ones (various operators who run suburban trains in addition to longer-distance ones), but as a quirk it costs more if you mix them in the same journey. Not quite as much as two separate journeys, but significantly more than sticking to one of the two, even between the same zones.
16:04:15 <b_jonas> so as stupid as it sounds, the clearest definition of a metro is that it's a railway without a toilet
16:04:19 <b_jonas> `? metro
16:04:22 <HackEso> metro? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:04:23 <b_jonas> `? u-bahn
16:04:24 <b_jonas> `? underground
16:04:25 <HackEso> u-bahn? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:04:27 <HackEso> underground? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:04:45 <int-e> `? subway
16:04:47 <HackEso> subway? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
16:04:58 <ais523> fizzie: I'd expect the National Rail ones to have a different pricing structure entirely
16:05:56 <ais523> and I think mixing them is comparable to buying two tickets with a discount
16:06:03 <ais523> rather than being one ticket
16:06:35 <fizzie> Well, sort of. But if you buy a season ticket from TfL, it also applies to National Rail trains in the zones.
16:06:50 <ais523> (although it's one physical ticket, I have frequently been bought the "travel from elsewhere in the UK + travelcard within London" type of National Rail ticket on expenses when I needed to make a trip to London for work purposes)
16:07:31 <fizzie> Back when I paid for a yearly ticket I used to do a train + tube combination, but now that I only commute 3 days a week that's no longer cost-efficient.
16:12:14 <fizzie> (Also both kinds of trains count towards the same automatically applied daily and weekly caps.)
16:13:40 <ais523> nowadays I just use a contactless card for travel in London, given that it automatically works out the cheapest sort of ticket you could have bought given the journeys that you're making
16:14:13 <ais523> (I think doing that gives TfL more profit than actually making people specify the tickets would, because it saves money on ticket machines and employees)
16:15:02 <fizzie> It's weird to me that TfL has no concept of a tube-and-bus multimodal journey; those are just two entirely separate things. There's the "Hopper" fare for catching a second (or more generally, a subsequent) bus for free within an interval (80 minutes?) from the start of the first journey. But not across modalities.
16:15:44 <esolangs> [[Numberfuck]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125681&oldid=119204 * MihaiEso * (+18) /* See also */
16:17:43 <ais523> when travelling in London, I get the impression that a tube+bus multimodal journey would be a massive faux pas for some reason
16:18:06 <ais523> like, it's something that just generally isn't done
16:18:36 <ais523> possibly this is because tube stations are so densely distributed that it's hard to see what gain you could get from combining the modes
16:21:00 <fizzie> In zone 1 it wouldn't make any sense, but if you go farther out you could definitely save some time. I had a maybe 15-20 minute walk at the home end of my commute in the previous place we lived in, with really frequent bus service along that road. So it could objectively save time, even if it was a perfectly walkable distance.
16:22:12 <fizzie> And that was still just zone 2.
16:22:30 <ais523> the fastest possible journey home by bus from my old workplace required changing bus twice, and having a new bus arrive perfectly after the change each time
16:22:43 <ais523> I actually managed it once
16:22:58 <ais523> but normally, I took routes with fewer buses even though they took longer, due to using less direct routes, and/or added substantial walks
16:23:10 <ais523> so I guess adding a bus onto the end of the tube journey could save time if one happened to arrive at that moment
16:23:55 <fizzie> You can hop™ between buses and the TfL trams, incidentally. Even though the tram here is quite light-rail-y rather than what I traditionally associate with the word "tram".
16:24:27 <fizzie> But the trams share the same "single fare no matter where you're going" pricing model as buses.
16:24:30 <ais523> trams in the UK seem to basically be a mix of traditional trams and light rail, on the same vehicle
16:24:46 <ais523> light rail when a route for it is available, and traditional trams when it isn't
16:25:06 <ais523> it's basically a way of implementing light rail in a situation where the routes wouldn't quite connect up properly
16:26:36 <b_jonas> in Budapest, bus combined with metro is the norm. the network is built such that most buses connect to a metro station, so to go from anywhere to anywhere in general you take *the* bus that takes you inwards, then use the metros, then take *the* bus that takes you outwards to your destination. but most trips are between home to offices and the offices are usually placed in the inner city such that there
16:26:42 <b_jonas> are more ways to get there.
16:27:09 <b_jonas> the exception is if you're in Csepel, the poorest part of the town, in which case you're screwed, you don't get a metro connection or anything so convenient
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16:28:22 <b_jonas> also this approximation works even better if you consider tram 6 as if it were a metro for routing purposes
16:28:49 <b_jonas> it goes very frequently, runs at most nights, and connects to lots of lines
16:32:53 <fizzie> That's what they did in Helsinki(/Espoo), when the subway was extended to the east they also reworked the bus lines to make most of them to just feed in to the subway.
16:33:16 <fizzie> Angering a lot of people who now have to switch when before they had a single bus journey.
16:33:46 <fizzie> Uh, s/east/west/
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22:26:44 <esolangs> [[Brainstar]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125687 * LEOMOK * (+1925) Created page with "'''Brainstar''' is a Turing-complete programming language which is a cross between [[Branflakes]] and [[Rockstar]]. It preserves [[Rockstar]]'s poetic literals, while keeping [[Branflakes]]'s numeric tape. ==Instructions== Brainstar operates on an infinite tape of sig
22:37:20 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125688&oldid=125686 * Function call without parameters * (+157) /* The curtail operator (# when written to) */
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23:08:25 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125691&oldid=125690 * Function call without parameters * (+4) /* The curtail operator (# when written to) */
23:15:01 <esolangs> [[Stringle]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125692&oldid=125691 * Function call without parameters * (+255) /* Overloaded operator pass-through */
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