< 1712102550 369043 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1712108459 49935 :ursa-major!114efe6c39@2a03:6000:1812:100::11f3 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1712108626 354090 :ursa-major!114efe6c39@2a03:6000:1812:100::11f3 JOIN #esolangs ursa-major :Bailey Bjornstad < 1712112293 449667 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had partially made a static site generator, but with Scorpion instead of HTML. < 1712114412 285799 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I don't actually know much about how to make a static site generator, but I will do and then we will see what it will do.) > 1712118102 885540 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stringle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125796&oldid=125794 5* 03Function call without parameters 5* (-118) 10/* Add two numeric values */ > 1712118472 631936 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stringle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125797&oldid=125796 5* 03Function call without parameters 5* (-34) 10/* The * (pointer) operator */ > 1712120289 761705 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stringle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125798&oldid=125797 5* 03Function call without parameters 5* (+700) 10 > 1712120859 467002 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stringle14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125799&oldid=125798 5* 03Function call without parameters 5* (-9) 10/* ROT-13 encoder/decoder */ < 1712123092 841836 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1712123109 637553 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1712124004 810343 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1712126191 997098 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1712126888 35549 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz… < 1712136485 76180 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1712137040 655805 :Koen_!~Koen@2a04:cec0:102d:4e61:2828:7c26:302f:52e7 JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1712137358 30138 :Koen_!~Koen@2a04:cec0:102d:4e61:2828:7c26:302f:52e7 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1712137366 288653 :Koen_!~Koen@i19-lef01-ix2-176-180-91-236.ft.lns.abo.bbox.fr JOIN #esolangs * :Koen < 1712139372 225089 :Koen_!~Koen@i19-lef01-ix2-176-180-91-236.ft.lns.abo.bbox.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1712140248 244533 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1712140311 270489 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1712140329 300347 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1712142864 512047 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1712143801 12012 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1712143833 296957 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh, so mozilla made https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko_DOM_Reference a broken link now, and the HTML DOM reference is at https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Document_Object_Model > 1712146153 836716 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Impossible.bf14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125800&oldid=102909 5* 03Cleverxia 5* (+121) 10categories? < 1712146466 148828 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :while we're there, I have a question. is there some way in the HTML DOM for a webpage to read your timezone directly, or do they have to like localtime multiple timestamps to figure out which DST rules are in effect? < 1712146692 413820 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://stackoverflow.com/questions/13/determine-a-users-timezone/22625076#22625076 < 1712147786 830339 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: thank you < 1712148808 9248 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"We're sorry but the CVE Website doesn't work properly without JavaScript enabled. Please enable it to continue." < 1712148817 266614 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Of all people... < 1712148851 477235 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'll get it from NVD then, thanks.) < 1712149937 401928 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1712151971 204975 :FreeFull!~freefull@46.205.204.162.nat.ftth.dynamic.t-mobile.pl JOIN #esolangs FreeFull :FreeFull > 1712152336 80771 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071234567814]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125801 5* 03None1 5* (+420) 10Created page with "'''12345678''' is an esolang invented by [[User:None1]] when he noticed that he didn't invent many Chinese brainfuck equivalents, also because he encountered one of his own brainfuck equivalents by random page. ==Commands== The commands: represent: +-<>,.[] in [[brainf > 1712152508 137543 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071234567814]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125802&oldid=125801 5* 03None1 5* (+944) 10/* Example programs */ > 1712152553 73722 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071234567814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125803&oldid=125802 5* 03None1 5* (+1020) 10/* Example programs */ > 1712152580 906851 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[071234567814]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125804&oldid=125803 5* 03None1 5* (-919) 10/* Interpreter in Python */ > 1712152624 173293 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125805&oldid=125670 5* 03None1 5* (+15) 10/* Non-alphabetic */ > 1712152676 647193 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125806&oldid=125607 5* 03None1 5* (+39) 10/* My Esolangs */ > 1712152699 221302 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:None114]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125807&oldid=125806 5* 03None1 5* (+0) 10/* My Esolangs */ > 1712152763 552095 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SetGoto14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125808&oldid=99898 5* 03None1 5* (+2) 10 > 1712155409 315680 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Get there14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125809&oldid=125778 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+103) 10 > 1712155483 101492 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Get there14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125810&oldid=125809 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (-36) 10 < 1712156016 58193 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1712156996 475050 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Quit: Laa shay'a waqi'un moutlaq bale kouloun moumkine < 1712157126 564203 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1712157563 511234 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1712157851 605775 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1712157895 117012 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Yayimhere14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125811 5* 03Yayimhere 5* (+62) 10Created page with "hello. im yayimhere. i have created one esolang: [[get there]]" < 1712158537 743030 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://mastodon.social/@TartanLlama/112207900349948701 < 1712158544 347484 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1712158567 528262 :sknebel!~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://github.com/TartanLlama/dwarbf "A Brainfuck interpreter written in DWARF debug information" < 1712160626 185035 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Missed chance to call it BWARF, which could have been more in line with the reaction of people encountering it. < 1712160849 909912 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1712160980 633767 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Why does that remind me of Spaceballs? < 1712161015 408210 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(They have a character called Barf) < 1712161043 588586 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Which they /could/ have spelled differently but didn't.) < 1712162797 11151 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1712162954 967319 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :this draft https://www.w3.org/TR/css-conditional-3/ specifies a way that CSS stylesheets can include conditionals depending on whether the browser supports a CSS feature. theoretically useful, since CSS keeps growing infinitely, though of course practical uses will only come up five years into the future. it doesn't seem like it makes CSS alone < 1712162955 422220 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :turing-complete yet, but who knows. however, < 1712163043 887279 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll have to test this, but I think this might finally give us a way to write a HTML that uses MathML conditionally in browsers that support it, but display fallback HTML in other browsers. that was what I was missing from MathML, no easy way to embed a fallback, which means you don't want to use MathML in practice unless the user explicitly < 1712163044 449831 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :requests it. < 1712163149 904924 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/@supports is the docs on MDN for this feature < 1712163208 491039 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu PRIVMSG #esolangs :nice. I'll have to try this at some point, trying to write a HTML+CSS that displays a formula as fallback HTML normally, but tries to conditionally replace it with MathML if some MathML CSS property is supported < 1712165356 663402 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1712166542 133004 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that HTML and CSS is too messy. So, they have to change it to make it even more messy to fix it and that does not even work very well either. (Designing browsers for better user control would also be an improvement, though.) (And, I don't know if it is Turing-complete yet.) < 1712166860 85351 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't know they made brainfuck with DWARF but now I can see that they can. < 1712167632 74855 :joes!~joes@hardfought/member/joes JOIN #esolangs joes :realname < 1712168559 330083 :Everything!~Everythin@static.208.206.21.65.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1712169481 805838 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: certainly this is a kludge, MathML in first place should have been defined in a way that allows graceful fallback for browsers that don't support it. < 1712170943 857229 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, that would have helped < 1712171243 843408 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :People who wanted to make less messy have made other protocols and file formats, and in some cases different kind of subsets of HTTP and HTML (although I have also seen one that uses HTTP with an extra header). < 1712171499 962780 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Such as Gemini, although there are some criticisms such as mandatory TLS (I think it should be optional), etc. They also wanted to make it non-extensible, but my opinion is that the non-extensibility does not actually work; there are many ways to add extensions anyways (e.g. in the X.509 certificate) and it cannot really be prevented. < 1712171629 272419 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I like it when protocols and formats are extensible in a way that lets old clients fall back. HTTP and HTML has a lot of extensions of this sort already. I can support just whatever subset of HTTP (whether as a client or server) as I want and it will work, then later add support for more. Same for HTML. MathML was just designed stupidly in this respect. < 1712171736 952492 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :If you don't design something extensible then people will just invent non-backwards-compatible extensions or replacements for it, so it's a bad strategy. < 1712171809 20321 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, it is what I thought too < 1712171884 157622 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also, most of these formats seem to have been designed to do a subset of the features of WWW, and do not really have any extra stuff (although Gemini allows for client certificates; while this is possible with WWW, this is uncommon and it seems to work better in Gemini). < 1712171983 229367 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Scorpion does do a few things that WWW doesn't have, such as the possibility of mixed character sets (something that I think was added to HTML+ but was abandoned), TRON character code, and the conversion file.) < 1712172420 496536 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :what does "mixed character sets" mean? < 1712172444 227163 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in HTML, how that works is that you can use ampersand entities to use characters that aren't in the source encoding of HTML < 1712172453 473440 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I'm not sure if that counts as "mixed character sets" < 1712172484 204841 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :You can, but that only works for Unicode characters. < 1712172628 156224 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :no, that works for any character that has a named ampersand entity, such as á, and I think named ampersand entities are older than unicode < 1712172713 390954 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :of course later all the characters that browsers typically supported as ampersand entities (the list wasn't quite standardized across browsers) got added to unicode as characters < 1712172747 479511 :joes!~joes@hardfought/member/joes QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1712172811 692037 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think HTML+ allowed each element to have an optional "charset" attribute < 1712172932 513853 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not sure that named ampersand entities are older than Unicode, although that probably doesn't matter much anyways since they may have been made independently. < 1712173081 979472 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also have defined the "hashed:" URI scheme (although it is independent of the protocol) < 1712173090 346011 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1712173129 426187 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe it's not older than unicode, but I think there were browsers that support named character entities but not unicode. some named character entities are practically required for HTML, so that you can escape ampersands and less-than signs and double quotes. < 1712173169 127951 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though admittedly ampersands, less-than signs, and double quotes clearly always were unicode characters < 1712173277 952572 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1712173387 949854 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes. That is what I meant that they may be independent, that they could work independently. Well, some of them work independently (and some don't work at all). Of course the possibility to escape certain characters is necessary anyways, but that is because they are ASCII characters rather than Unicode. Of course they are Unicode characters, but that is because Unicode is a superset of ASCII. < 1712173629 751537 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :However, I think that the conversion file is a better way to handle the use of different file formats, etc, which can allow better user control, etc, than the way of using polyfills with WWW which have no way of indicating the use of polyfills in a compatible way, etc < 1712173733 749572 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1712174178 357362 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(The specification is not complete and could be improved, but it does allow for a few things, such as supporting unknown file formats (which is something that WWW doesn't support, actually).) > 1712177384 774979 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stringle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125812&oldid=125799 5* 03Function call without parameters 5* (+450) 10/* Predicates */ > 1712177516 450033 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stringle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125813&oldid=125812 5* 03Function call without parameters 5* (+267) 10/* loop while (1 word) */ > 1712179450 518513 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stringle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125814&oldid=125813 5* 03Function call without parameters 5* (-2) 10/* FizzBuzz */ < 1712179981 930994 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1712180403 545372 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1712181256 403463 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Z Z 5* 10moved [[02Array++10]] to [[ObjectFlux]]: Language Renamed > 1712181338 966309 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ObjectFlux14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125817&oldid=125815 5* 03Z Z 5* (+21) 10Noted that work is in progress > 1712181404 664372 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ObjectFlux14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125818&oldid=125817 5* 03Z Z 5* (+12) 10Updated names < 1712181751 777851 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1712181995 265051 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1712184557 870083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname