00:11:37 <FireFly> I'm looking forward to the inevitable video
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00:31:00 <b_jonas> the articles are definitely better than the presentation adaptation, as it so often happens with such adaptations.
00:31:13 <b_jonas> there'll probably be a video, but even so the article is better.
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00:34:12 <Noisytoot> "Because this occurs on any key input to the shell, regardless of the key, it becomes impossible to exit the session without the user closing the terminal they used to connect to the server." I don't think this is right (from page 238, "This SSH server’s never gonna give you up (but it will probably let you down)"). You can always exit with ~.
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01:15:39 <ais523> ssh's quit sequence is annoying because you need to type a newline before the ~. for it to work, but the newline is actually sent over the connection
01:18:33 <ais523> I guess it was designed assuming that you would be operating a shell over ssh, but it's often used to use other programs remotely too
01:30:57 <b_jonas> it's just so appropriate how Tom developed a pretty complicated general software system that should be capable of typesetting beautiful documents, but then the deadline got closer so he didn't get time to actually typeset beautiful documents with it
01:31:49 <esolangs> [[Tom Murphy VII]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125979&oldid=66407 * B jonas * (+12)
01:32:02 <b_jonas> just so I don't forget to later create at least a short page on the wiki about this
01:43:39 <b_jonas> oh heck, the published volume calls the editor "The Association for Computational Heresy" but the webpage http://sigbovik.org/2024/ calls it "The Association of Computational Heresy". why is this the kind of nonsense that I have to put up with just to write a citation?
01:49:17 <esolangs> [[BoVeX]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=125980 * B jonas * (+1231) the categorization on the wiki is funny. BoVeX has objects but isn't oriented to them; and the project is very much about rewriting strings, but I don't think that it's of the string-rewriting paradigm
01:52:17 * ais523 wonders whether the ultimate goal of esoprogramming is to create a language that is impossible to categorise
01:59:05 <b_jonas> like, the badness function chosen seem to have a bad taste in how the last line of paragraphs should look like; there doesn't seem to be a rule about orphan lines at the start of a page; the spacing is wrong around punctuation or formatting very often; and more. but BoVeX is powerful enough that it would be possible to fix most of this.
01:59:52 <b_jonas> ais523: probably not the ultimate goal, but it's at least a merit in esolangs if they are hard to categorize
02:00:43 <b_jonas> well, if they're hard to categorize for a good reason, rather than hard to categorize because of inadequate documentation describing the language
02:04:40 <ais523> I think some esolangers see that as a merit too ;-)
02:05:13 <ais523> I am wondering if my "Turing completeness proving languages" (basically a subset of tarpits) aren't actually esolangs at all, but a different genre
02:05:43 <ais523> because they are optimising for something and are being driven by that optimisation, rather than aesthetics being a factor
02:07:11 <ais523> e.g. Genera Tag feels really quite inelegant when viewed as a language – but in a different way it's very elegant when viewed as an implementation language, in that it captures most of the things that typical tag system implementations can provide for free, and in exchange makes it easier to prove certain awkward languages TC
02:08:01 <esolangs> [[Genera Tag]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125981&oldid=117086 * Ais523 * (+16) /* Relationship to other languages and implementation tips */ clarify
02:46:24 <zzo38> ais523: I do not think it is the "ultimate goal" (and, I think there is not a "ultimate goal of esoprogramming" probably, but I may be wrong), although trying to create a language that is impossible to categorise does seem to me one of the things to do, perhaps.
02:48:37 <zzo38> I have partially made up a way to add favicons to a X.509 certificate. I think it is not really an important feature, but the reason I did is because some people (including myself) don't like the way that favicon.txt is working in Gemini (which is not an official part of the specification, anyways).
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08:10:20 <b_jonas> ais523: I don't know, but in the end I don't care, I just try document onto the wiki esolangs and non-esolangs that are of interest to the esolang community
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09:20:05 <esolangs> [[Reference]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125985&oldid=120720 * Cleverxia * (+188) /* Examples */
09:29:52 <esolangs> [[Time]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125986&oldid=117759 * Cleverxia * (+1049)
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10:44:30 <esolangs> [[BoVeX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=125987&oldid=125980 * B jonas * (+4) formatting was broken
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12:25:44 <esolangs> [[AnyGolf]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126000&oldid=125999 * Cleverxia * (+117) /* Hello, World! */
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13:01:57 <esolangs> [[EMPTYPAGE]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126002 * PrySigneToFry * (+43) Created page with "This is a empty page. Here has no contents."
13:09:53 <esolangs> [[Brainfuck+2]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126003&oldid=123797 * None1 * (+47)
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13:30:37 <esolangs> [[Fixed Repeating Output]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126005&oldid=126004 * None1 * (+37) /* Implementations */
13:40:10 <esolangs> [[AnyGolf]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126006&oldid=126000 * None1 * (+0) /* Examples */ Truth machine, not a+b
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13:41:38 <lisbeths> https://files.catbox.moe/3lbxiw.pdf https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/BWogurJa/1712641532699981.png
13:42:53 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem/brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126007&oldid=124928 * None1 * (+22)
13:43:24 <lisbeths> fastlisp is my language I've made after 12 years of studying language design
13:43:34 <esolangs> [[A+B Problem/brainfuck]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126008&oldid=126007 * None1 * (+23)
13:43:55 <lisbeths> Does this bot do that every time you talk?
13:47:35 <fizzie> Only if someone makes an edit every time you talk.
13:52:45 <lisbeths> Fastlisp is an easiness oriented programming where the primary design decision is to make the language as easy to learn use and extend as possible for new programmers
13:56:50 <int-e> The wiki is actually an elaborate IRC frontend but few people know how to use it.
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14:07:16 <wib_jonas> yeah, it works in like base 9 or something weird like that
14:23:59 <wib_jonas> that said, if you can figure out how the esowiki works then you should probably create a page about this fastlisp there
14:42:36 <esolangs> [[User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126009&oldid=125940 * PrySigneToFry * (+594)
14:51:49 <esolangs> [[]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126010&oldid=124742 * AnotherUser05 * (+26) /* Uses */
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16:32:26 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126011&oldid=125573 * Joaozin003 * (+109) I killed myself
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16:33:16 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126013&oldid=126011 * Joaozin003 * (+6) fix
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17:56:56 <esolangs> [[Project Euler/1]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126014&oldid=116418 * Joaozin003 * (-53) golfed down
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19:34:31 <esolangs> [[Poololoop]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126016 * B jonas * (+813) Created page with "''Poololoop'' is a programming language whose source code is the programmer running a path, measured with a GPS. The loops in the running path encode a [[lambda calculus]] program. The language is defined in this article: [http://www.sigbovik.org/2024/proceedings.pd
19:35:10 <esolangs> [[Poololoop]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126017&oldid=126016 * B jonas * (-1)
19:36:31 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create * OrangeDied * New user account
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19:44:37 <esolangs> [[User:OrangeDied]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126019 * OrangeDied * (+38) Created page with "creator of nothing, viewer of too much"
19:46:22 <esolangs> [[Talk:BoVeX]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126020 * OrangeDied * (+110) Created page with "this is the most academic shitpost i've ever seen, will at least try to turn this into an actual article later"
19:46:32 <esolangs> [[Talk:BoVeX]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126021&oldid=126020 * OrangeDied * (+89)
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21:30:28 <esolangs> [[Signal]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=126023 * Gabryx64 * (+220) Created page with "== Signal == Signal based esolang (and probably touring complete). In honor of signals getting proposed to the ECMAScript standard. Read the source code and example programs for use. https://github.com/Gabryx64/signal"
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23:00:33 <esolangs> [[Swordfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126024&oldid=82641 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+170) Added a hyperlink to my implementation of the Swordfish programming language on GitHub.
23:05:06 <esolangs> [[Swordfish]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126025&oldid=126024 * Kaveh Yousefi * (+206) Rectified both Hello, World! programs, which lapsed in the escaping of the operative symbols d and !, and supplemented a truth-machine as a further example.
23:05:55 <esolangs> [[Swordfish]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=126026&oldid=126025 * Kaveh Yousefi * (-3) Improved the formatting by the deletion of supernumerary blank lines.