< 1716854974 427744 :amby!~ambylastn@31.205.89.228 QUIT :Quit: so long suckers! i rev up my motorcylce and create a huge cloud of smoke. when the cloud dissipates im lying completely dead on the pavement < 1716855684 953863 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1716855731 240785 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1716855767 64866 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life < 1716862813 843707 :wryl!sid553797@user/meow/Wryl QUIT :Quit: Receding. < 1716864483 161791 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1716864499 904409 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1716864511 41222 :moony8922!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1716866935 124888 :moony892!moony@hellomouse/dev/moony JOIN #esolangs moony :Kaylie! (she/her) < 1716867216 886095 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( < 1716867224 957763 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse.net JOIN #esolangs * :guaranteed to not behave anticausally < 1716867248 946787 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse.net NICK :Guest8591 < 1716867498 607084 :Guest8591!iovoid@hellomouse.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1716867515 622589 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse.net JOIN #esolangs * :guaranteed to not behave anticausally < 1716867539 217953 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse.net NICK :Guest8740 < 1716867628 110875 :Guest8740!iovoid@hellomouse.net CHGHOST iovoid :hellomouse/dev/iovoid < 1716867719 820049 :Guest8740!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :iovoid < 1716868275 980074 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Quit: certfp expired :< < 1716868295 809641 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse.net JOIN #esolangs * :guaranteed to not behave anticausally < 1716868319 254080 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse.net NICK :Guest8753 < 1716868434 741182 :Guest8753!iovoid@hellomouse.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1716868577 863358 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse.net JOIN #esolangs * :guaranteed to not behave anticausally < 1716868601 189241 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse.net NICK :Guest38 < 1716868711 166463 :Guest38!iovoid@hellomouse.net CHGHOST iovoid :hellomouse/dev/iovoid < 1716868745 854036 :Guest38!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Client Quit < 1716868765 665089 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse.net JOIN #esolangs * :guaranteed to not behave anticausally < 1716868790 313562 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse.net NICK :Guest4187 < 1716868898 102713 :Guest4187!iovoid@hellomouse.net CHGHOST iovoid :hellomouse/dev/iovoid < 1716868953 190014 :Guest4187!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid NICK :iovoid < 1716868957 337110 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1716868977 672607 :iovoid!iovoid@hellomouse/dev/iovoid JOIN #esolangs iovoid :guaranteed to not behave anticausally < 1716873514 79327 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1716873533 302774 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1716873701 644909 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1716874128 37158 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1716874206 762375 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1716874498 407908 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1716875883 531529 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1716879038 562058 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1716879112 657117 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1716881926 624127 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1716882001 43070 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1716883951 450235 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[073 Bits, 1.5 Bytes14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=128894 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+2816) 10Created a new esolang! > 1716884052 554897 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128895&oldid=128265 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+75) 10Added a joke language to the list... > 1716884107 126938 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128896&oldid=128884 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+97) 10Added a joke language to my list... > 1716884433 558261 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[073 Bits, 1.5 Bytes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128897&oldid=128894 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+9) 10OR, XOR and NAND require 2 values, not 1. < 1716884933 618662 :visilii!~visilii@188.254.126.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds > 1716885043 737532 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:Brainfuck algorithms14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128898&oldid=128872 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+113) 10/* Bitwise XOR OR AND */ > 1716885284 982521 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Donald Knuth14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128899&oldid=63327 5* 03B jonas 5* (+97) 10 > 1716886800 136444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Donald Knuth14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128900&oldid=128899 5* 03Ais523 5* (-1) 10fix typo, capitalise INTERCAL < 1716888997 47006 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown > 1716890243 814950 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07James M. Lyon14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=128901 5* 03None1 5* (+88) 10Created page with "{{Stub}} James M. Lyon is the person who invented [[INTERCAL]] with [[Donald R. Woods]]." > 1716890335 724755 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07James M. Lyon14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128902&oldid=128901 5* 03None1 5* (+20) 10 > 1716890430 450630 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07INTERCAL14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128903&oldid=127609 5* 03None1 5* (+4) 10Undo revision 127609 by [[Special:Contributions/None1|None1]] ([[User talk:None1|talk]]) > 1716890731 543681 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:3 Bits, 1.5 Bytes14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=128904 5* 03None1 5* (+161) 10Created page with "You only have 12 bits (4 triple bits) of memory, so how can you ACT 100b? --~~~~" > 1716891245 368089 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[072 Bits, 1 Byte14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128905&oldid=118855 5* 03None1 5* (+121) 10/* Quine */ < 1716893169 305646 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1716893497 60804 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1716895188 115343 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:3 Bits, 1.5 Bytes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128906&oldid=128904 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+222) 10 > 1716895567 17971 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cold Hard Chess14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128907&oldid=128891 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+77) 10Better > 1716895709 530201 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Windows 1.014]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128908&oldid=128879 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+15) 10/* Computational class */ Added Hanzifuck. > 1716895825 457931 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Rdebath14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128909&oldid=43703 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+198) 10/* Thanks for giving the Ruby interpreter! */ new section > 1716895911 175373 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BRaInFUCK14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128910&oldid=127465 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+4) 10Better! > 1716896113 559561 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[073 Bits, 1.5 Bytes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128911&oldid=128897 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+2) 10Oops, it's unimplemented. Interpreters: To do. < 1716896476 983950 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… > 1716896599 126784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03114514 5* 10New user account > 1716896851 629907 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ENCOUNTE192US 5* 10New user account > 1716897134 500980 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Jannes 5* 10New user account < 1716897271 261687 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1716899178 358799 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MLang (Mihai Popa)14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=128912 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+2699) 10Brought mLang back to life! > 1716899299 843260 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:MihaiEso14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128913&oldid=128896 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+155) 10Added a esolang to my list... > 1716899360 150592 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128914&oldid=128877 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+31) 10Added a esolang to the list... > 1716899795 804381 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MLang (Mihai Popa)14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128915&oldid=128912 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+33) 10Not to be confused with "MLang", a language based on MLA8 citations (quotes). > 1716899859 260488 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07MLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128916&oldid=79407 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+46) 10Not to be confused with "mLang", a simplistic language made by me (Mihai Popa)! < 1716900129 56028 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1716900202 437949 :Hooloovoo!~Hooloovoo@hax0rbana.org JOIN #esolangs hooloovoo :ZNC - https://znc.in > 1716900751 217421 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128917&oldid=128888 5* 03Jannes 5* (+230) 10 > 1716900765 169210 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Metac14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=128918 5* 03Jannes 5* (+8759) 10Created page with "{{Stub}} {{infobox proglang |name=MetaC |author=[[User:Jannes|Jannes]] |year=[[:Category:2024|2024]] |dimensions=one-dimensional |class=[[:Category:Meta Turing-complete|Meta Turing-complete]] |influence=[[Brainfuck]], [[MetaGolfScript]] |files=.c }} '''MetaC''' is a family > 1716900818 492018 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Metac14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128919&oldid=128918 5* 03Jannes 5* (-8) 10 > 1716900861 59573 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Metac14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128920&oldid=128919 5* 03Jannes 5* (+36) 10 > 1716901457 97820 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Metac14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128921&oldid=128920 5* 03Jannes 5* (-35) 10 > 1716901779 222728 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Jannes14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=128922 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+185) 10Created page with "Create your first user page! A user page is a page with some info about yourself, your esolangs, etc... ~~~~" < 1716902869 16866 :amby!~ambylastn@31.205.89.228 JOIN #esolangs * :realname < 1716902982 585806 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu JOIN #esolangs b_jonas :[https://web.libera.chat] wib_jonas < 1716904060 829488 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1716904898 974416 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1716905631 749568 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Metac14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128923&oldid=128921 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+17) 10Infobox, categories > 1716905792 887323 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befreege14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=128924 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+3036) 10Created page with "{{WIP}} Befreege is an Esolang invented by PSTF. You're free to edit this Esolang. == Requirements for commands == # No joke commands # No uncomputable commands # Half-width characters only # Must only 1 character == > 1716905818 806664 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befreege14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128925&oldid=128924 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+2) 10 > 1716905854 783485 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befreege14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128926&oldid=128925 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (-27) 10 > 1716905894 897128 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befreege14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128927&oldid=128926 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+2) 10 > 1716906285 637696 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:3 Bits, 1.5 Bytes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128928&oldid=128906 5* 03None1 5* (+166) 10 < 1716906985 358062 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1716906985 483837 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1716907237 836219 :simcop2387!~simcop238@perlbot/patrician/simcop2387 JOIN #esolangs simcop2387 :ZNC - https://znc.in > 1716907264 673413 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Category:Three-dimensional languages14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=128929 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+123) 10Created page with "The 3D programming language uses an IP pointer to sweep through the stereoscopic space to execute code, just like Trefunge." < 1716907331 677685 :perlbot!~perlbot@perlbot/bot/simcop2387/perlbot JOIN #esolangs perlbot :ZNC - https://znc.in > 1716907667 654619 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128930&oldid=128914 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+15) 10 > 1716907818 716906 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128931&oldid=127485 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+25) 10 > 1716907996 551366 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:3 Bits, 1.5 Bytes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128932&oldid=128928 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+156) 10 > 1716908353 339306 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Talk:3 Bits, 3 Bytes14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128933&oldid=118865 5* 03MihaiEso 5* (+219) 10/* Add disassembled version of Output any character. */ new section > 1716908531 78510 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:/w/wiki/index.php/Talk:index.php/Main page14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128934&oldid=128825 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+1874) 10 < 1716909282 655719 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen JOIN #esolangs sbak :realname > 1716911358 243552 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:EvyLah14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128935&oldid=123905 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+121) 10/* hi */ new section < 1716914300 479774 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1716914549 596284 :wib_jonas!~wib_jonas@business-37-191-60-209.business.broadband.hu QUIT :Quit: Client closed < 1716917393 970690 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1716920281 592585 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1716921254 681932 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:EvyLah14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128936&oldid=128935 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+178) 10adfaesfpoijasefpoijasef > 1716921652 275758 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Coder07 5* 10New user account > 1716922696 935154 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128937&oldid=128917 5* 03Coder07 5* (+252) 10my introduction < 1716923101 925343 :Bowserinator!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1716923106 848297 :Bowserinator_!Bowserinat@hellomouse/dev/bowserinator JOIN #esolangs Bowserinator :No VPS :( > 1716923142 707 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07GDLang14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128938&oldid=123584 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+527) 10I wrote this on my DS because goguardian blocked like every website on my chromebook > 1716923322 41304 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* 10moved [[02Metac10]] to [[MetaC]]: Fix capitalisation > 1716923374 895906 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07SnailTrail14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128941&oldid=110902 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+88) 10Categories < 1716923611 509394 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen JOIN #esolangs sbak :realname < 1716924424 50296 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Maybe I should somehow fix bystand so that you can display multiple articles in split-screen, so that you can review one or more other articles while you are editing one of them > 1716924461 892793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Ais523 5* 10deleted "[[02Category:Three-dimensional languages10]]": category created without discussion; redundant to the existing [[Category:Multi-dimensional languages]]; description was specific to one language, not generic like a category description should be > 1716924644 387200 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:PrySigneToFry14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128942&oldid=127865 5* 03Ais523 5* (+441) 10/* Unapproved categories */ please stop, you were continuing even after being warned, if you continue after this second warning you will quite possibly be blocked < 1716924666 201538 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's only a few years ago that I realised just how badly Esolang needs the category rule > 1716925190 734650 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128943&oldid=128846 5* 03Coder07 5* (+279) 10 < 1716925289 134630 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :good lord that sandbox page < 1716925422 927647 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :feel free to clean it up < 1716925431 507056 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have been considering doing it myself < 1716925452 441187 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but quite a lot of it does look like genuine editing tests < 1716925474 275660 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :that is true, it looks rather chaotic though < 1716925488 357396 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :in terms of unfunny jokes < 1716925567 676871 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :but that's not such a big problem, I mostly thought it was funny > 1716925910 605361 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Font14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128944&oldid=122801 5* 03Zzo38 5* (+73) 10Remove categories; this is not a programming language and those categories are not applicable for a list of fonts. Also add zzo38 < 1716925969 765407 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :OK, so now this has got me thinking about to what extent you could program using fonts < 1716925992 998173 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think at least TrueType is very complicated, possibly there's computational power there < 1716926040 880996 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, I think it is possible (I think I have seen somewhere, a Pokemon game with TrueType) < 1716926246 150716 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, I am busy thinking about the weird aspect of copyright law in which bitmap fonts are not copyrightable at all in the US (they all become public domain automatically) < 1716926345 510983 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1716926379 757469 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: I think there was some esolang or esoimplementation that compiled something to something related to fonts... < 1716926441 283777 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did seriously look into making a custom font for an esolang, at one point, but failed mostly because I couldn't decide on the semantics of the esolang itself (which the font was meant to represent) < 1716926467 99861 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also, some aspect of the font toolchain had problems lining up a line that was meant to continue from one character to the next, box-drawing-character style > 1716926488 198107 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spin414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128945&oldid=123920 5* 03Michael 5* (+57) 10/* Concepts */ < 1716926534 685226 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know what is the difference in Canada of that copyright issues < 1716926586 662869 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :What font toolchain has that problem? < 1716926592 879085 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :found it > 1716926594 390074 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Spin414]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128946&oldid=128945 5* 03Michael 5* (+13) 10/* Rotation for +/2 */ < 1716926608 279394 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: it's in Sigbovik 2021 proceedings, called "A full video game in a font: Fontemon!" < 1716926622 831922 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: it was a font generation website < 1716926627 471194 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which did all the work itself > 1716926647 388546 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stroke14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=128947 5* 03Ttulka 5* (+12557) 10init stroke < 1716926655 38991 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1716926704 16884 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :they compiled code to a font by magic < 1716926776 933272 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah no > 1716926792 264815 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128948&oldid=128930 5* 03Ttulka 5* (+13) 10/* S */ add Stroke < 1716926793 227296 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :apparently it's a finite state machine with each of the finitely many states precomputed < 1716926797 512933 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry, false alarm < 1716926809 705616 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I thought it did more than that < 1716926823 151162 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: well, isn't Pokémon itself a finite state machine? < 1716926892 334494 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, but one with much more states than you could list one by one in a font file < 1716926977 201140 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, although the number of states in Pokemon is large, although I think the font file is meant to simulate only specific battles so that greatly reduces the number of states < 1716927002 852178 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you've suddenly made me think of "choose your own adventure" books as finite state machines < 1716927009 333659 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the states are even numbered, usually < 1716927071 44097 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, but I think some choose your own adventures books have more state than what they explicitly list in books, as in the instruction after a state could tell you that something happens differently depending on some previous choice. < 1716927126 489521 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so they can have "hidden states" < 1716927293 633017 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It can also be considered as keeping track of the history as the state (and this is also applicable to some cards in Magic: the Gathering) < 1716927320 644177 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: hmm, I thought Wizards intentionally tried to avoid doing that nowadays, although of course it's possible in the rules < 1716927323 848631 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :do you have some cards in mind? < 1716927350 956217 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(on the other hand, Yu-Gi-Oh! does it frequently and intentionally – even for cards in your graveyard you often have to remember how, and sometimes when, they got there) < 1716927470 852370 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Control Win Condition (although that card is not legal in any format) < 1716927506 989051 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that sounds like a mystery booster playtest card to me, they often do weird things like that < 1716927514 408538 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`card-by-name Control Win Condition < 1716927516 705172 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1716927549 648795 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah yes: https://scryfall.com/card/cmb2/19/control-win-condition < 1716927556 876057 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Control Win Condition’s power and toughness are each equal to the number of turns you’ve taken this game." < 1716927606 290408 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, that's a good example, it makes you look back longer than say https://scryfall.com/card/10e/165/no-rest-for-the-wicked < 1716927652 153134 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh, Monstrosity also has hidden state < 1716927673 605788 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`card-by-name Polukranos, World Easter < 1716927675 268795 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No output. < 1716927675 475580 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :`card-by-name Polukranos, World Eater < 1716927677 100854 :HackEso!~h@techne.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Polukranos, World Eater \ 2GG \ Legendary Creature -- Hydra \ 5/5 \ {X}{X}{G}: Monstrosity X. (If this creature isn't monstrous, put X +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes monstrous.) \ When Polukranos, World Eater becomes monstrous, it deals X damage divided as you choose among any number of target creatures your opponents control. Each of those creatures deals damage equal to its power to Polukranos. \ THS-M, DDL-M < 1716927697 156483 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, at least you're told about the state at the point where you would first have to track it < 1716927711 674654 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :It isn't hidden; it is a designation. < 1716927849 289229 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :(You can figure out by yourself how you wish to keep track of such designations, and how to keep track of other stuff.) < 1716928145 434124 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in theory you're told of all the cards with their Oracle texts and all the rules, so you know what you have to remember and what you don't. < 1716928189 442351 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :IIRC the tournament rules even specifies that only the latest rules at the start of a tournament matter, rules changes published during the tournament don't come into effect, so they can't surprise you that way < 1716928207 940861 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though of course you could just remember everything that happened < 1716928240 635245 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is practical for reviews in case you found you made a mistake maintaining the game state, or for later to review the game to improve strategy < 1716928503 484198 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there have been problems (recently, even) in which players weren't prepared for a card they stole from the opponents' deck < 1716928543 533784 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in fact there was recently a wide-ranging ban in Legacy of a lot of cards that had that sort of problem (one of which was in a top-tier deck and another of which was fringe-playable) < 1716928544 786344 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also wanted to ask about an off-topic thing but now I don't know if I want to interrupt < 1716928563 374835 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :go for it, most IRC users can hold multiple conversations in parallel > 1716928666 144028 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stroke14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128949&oldid=128947 5* 03PythonshellDebugwindow 5* (+52) 10Categories < 1716928902 289829 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :this one is about chemistry. so there's this thing taught in old textbooks, which is that in the middle ages alchemists (no doubt inspired by Aristotle) thought that living beings used different rules than the non-living world, and in particular only living beings can create organic compounds from non-organic ones, but then in the 19th century it became clear that this was not so and there's no real < 1716928908 302012 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :difference between organic and inorganic chemistry. and the deciding discovery that they cite for this is Wöhler synthetizing urea from ammonium-cyanite in 1828. < 1716928968 39303 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think electricity was once also considered specific to living beings < 1716928976 233788 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so our teachers supported this and said that organic vs inorganic chemistry is a silly distinction and there's really only one chemistry, and maybe it's like a scam so that chemists can have two univesity departments and more funding or something; regardless whether it was specifically Wöhler's experiment that proved this < 1716929013 159070 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also that the old believe that only living beings can create organic compounds from inorganic was called "vitalism" < 1716929020 477029 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think organic vs. inorganic chemistry is possibly silly *names*, but the actual branches of chemistry are somewhat different < 1716929038 105913 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but as far as I understand *now*, it seems that those childhood books and teachers were wrong and vitalism is actually stronger than everf < 1716929095 767265 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a classic biology experiment is demonstrating just how much more efficient living beings are at breaking down hydrogen peroxide than chemical catalysts are < 1716929114 895016 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because even though we found out that creating organic compounds isn't technically specific to living beings, we also found that either capturing carbon from carbon-dioxide (in the atmosphere, or in carbonates) into organic compounds is HARD, and living beings do it much better than any way we can, < 1716929120 554099 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :although, it doesn't need actual life to do, just an enzyme that doesn't need to be part of a living creature (but it is much more complicated than the catalysts would be) < 1716929164 503210 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not sure that this is offtopic – DNA/RNA are basically programming languages < 1716929197 492312 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which make it possible to synthesize proteins that can act in much more specific ways than "enumerate simple compounds and hope that one of them does what you want" < 1716929222 759720 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and *also* sequestering nitrogen from nitrogen gas to organic compounds is HARD, and living beings do it much more efficiently < 1716929253 735499 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and I used to think that these (carbon sequestration and nitrogen fixation) are two different vitalisms, but it turns out they are just one and a half: < 1716929320 25116 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :because it turns out that we (as in our civilization) do large-scale industrial nitrogen capture to make ammonia, it's kind of energy intensive, but it actually uses hydrogen that's made from organic sources and so consumes carbon sequestration, and doing it without that would be even more difficult and energy intensive < 1716929357 31990 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so basically we still use living beings to capture the carbon, but then we use an abiological process to trade that carbon capture to nitrogen fixation < 1716929393 741863 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but even then just one vitalism, capturing carbon *or* nitrogen from the air seems like is close to the domain of living beings only, and is very hard to fake < 1716929397 824670 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: well, the hydrogen peroxide experiment makes me think that it isn't about organic versus inorganic compounds, but rather protein-based versus simple-molecule catalysts < 1716929403 226719 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1716929482 192819 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I also find the Wöhler experiment as a supposed milestone very suspicious, because it uses both ammonium and cyanite, and while we may regard those as inorganic, you do need nitrogen fixation and carbon capture to actually make it, so it's more like the alchemists just determined what's organic and inorganic a bit inaccurately < 1716929551 452211 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1716929582 971955 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so you could actually draw the boundary in multiple places, it might be better to consider ammonia inorgnaic and only count carbon sequestration as the magic of living beings; or you could count carbon or nitrogen capture in which case ammonia is organic < 1716929923 397247 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :though there's at least one part that I still don't understand. as far as I understand if you really want to build organic compounds without living beings then the route is this: (1) first you make hydrogen by electrolyzing water, (2) then you mix carbon dioxide with that hydrogen and get very angry with it and use some metal catalysts until it gives up and turns into carbon monoxide, then (3) you < 1716929929 404968 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :separate the carbon monoxide and mix it with more hydrogen and again get very angry with it and use metal catalysts until it gives up and turns into methanol. my question is, how much of the magic that living beings do much better is in each of the three steps? obviously they don't use this specific routes, and you can use other routes too, but I mean if you give me (1) free hydrogen or (2) free < 1716929935 426543 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hydrogen and free carbon monoxide then how much closer does that get me to generating organic compounds without the help of living beings? < 1716929953 195064 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :is one of those three steps the key to vitalism, and which one, or is it more than one of those steps? < 1716930070 905492 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :2) seems very hard to me without starting from something that was once living < 1716930174 235369 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :all of those steps sound quite costly in terms of energy < 1716930191 788445 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1716930206 900661 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :(layman's perspective) < 1716930435 997924 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :another confusing part is Titan the moon, which has lots of methane and ammonia that was created without biology. < 1716930468 627450 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :could be similar processes > 1716930702 711126 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Stroke14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=128950&oldid=128949 5* 03Ttulka 5* (+12) 10empty program < 1716930931 317376 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1716930973 401257 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :@ pokemon being an FSM I'm trying to think of a mechanic in pokemon that needs something like a pushdown stack to simulate but coming up short < 1716931007 268055 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :ridiculous amount of states though < 1716931070 63747 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as there are gas giants like Jupiter that are mostly hydrogen out there, maybe how this works is that planets can spawn with captured carbon (eg. methane) or captured nitrogen (eg. ammonia), it's just that once they turn to carbon dioxide or nitrogen gas, it's hard to recapture them from those forms. this happened on Earth too, because life had to bootstrap somehow, and it had to use those precaptured < 1716931076 156356 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :forms of carbon and nitrogen to get created, it can't arise when those aren't available < 1716931109 542976 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1716931119 230877 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pokemon does not use a stack, I think. < 1716931166 242531 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in the card game there would be no point because you can't respond to things < 1716931189 357454 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :except possibly for the equivalent of triggered abilities < 1716931198 335463 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :not talking about a literal stack to be clear just something that requires more than a simple state machine to simulate < 1716931221 833997 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(but Netrunner has lots of triggered abilities but does not have a stack, although interrupt windows end up acting in a stack-like way if they become nested somehow) < 1716931263 49531 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the video game has some response-like things such as Pursuit and Stealth Rock, but the number of relevant combinations is small enough that hardcoding them all would be reasonable < 1716931296 837221 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes persistent state can just be encoded by multiplying the number of states by however many of those there are < 1716931299 3158 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(and there have been some bugs that are weird enough to make me wonder if they were all coded individually) < 1716931327 550627 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :bugs in which video game? < 1716931391 776494 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :the funny thing about this is the The Pokemon Regular Expression exists < 1716931409 641198 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :s/is the/is that < 1716931472 85041 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: various Pokémon games < 1716931585 353774 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think gen 4's are most infamous: there is a glitch commonly known as "acid rain" which activates when Pursuit KOs a switching Pokémon during non-rain weather, and a glitch which permanently changes a Pokémon's moveset if it cancels using Rage while transformed < 1716931614 789526 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :gen 1 has a ton of infamous bugs too, many involving data read from beyond the end of relevant buffers < 1716931644 170235 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I meant, in terms of combinations of moves in battle having weird, apparently unrelated effects < 1716931654 409346 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :gotcha < 1716931713 494963 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the rage/transform one, at least, was eventually figured out (it was a reversed assignment which meant that the code that was meant to cancel rage instead turned off all the flags except rage, one of which is the flag to restore the original moveset of a transformed Pokémon as the battle ends) < 1716931727 497865 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pokemon Regular Expression? I have not heard of that < 1716931774 257243 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :just saying that if pokemon combat can be encoded by a finite state machine, there is a corresponding regular expression (if we say accepting states are those where the battle is over) < 1716931838 173334 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :it would be a hilarious monster of a regular expression obviously < 1716931903 158379 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, that is possible (although there might not be enough memory in the computer to do it that way) < 1716931934 265576 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1716931937 538231 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :with the amount of state-based mechanics in the game I'm fairly sure the exponential amount of states reaches googological amounts < 1716932007 57901 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't think so – it runs on a games console, and so will be limited to double-exponential numbers of states at most (because games consoles have only single-exponential amounts of memory) < 1716932035 703955 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm considering things like googolplex to be googological here < 1716932053 416283 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is a very broad meaning of the word, granted < 1716932071 152376 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Pokemon game does have hidden information and random stuff too, including players must enter commands simultaneously, and then order by priority and speed and are executed. State will involve non-volatile states (HP, PP, sleep, etc), stuff entered before battle is started (moves/abilities, effort values, etc), volatile effects, field effects (weather, entry hazards, etc), delayed effects, and more < 1716932110 145792 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :damage dealt is random in a range as well < 1716932164 443304 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: okay but wait, doesn't turning a deterministic finite state machine to a regular expression sometimes result in a regular expression of size exponential in the number of states? < 1716932218 44521 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and in fact don't we expect that would happen if you consider the whole memory of something like a pokémon game as the state machine? < 1716932253 223148 :sbak!~sbak@user/sbaksteen PRIVMSG #esolangs :so a double-exponential number of states, and a triple-exponential size of regular expression? < 1716932264 1434 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I'm not sure – the other direction is exponential, that direction might be too I guess? < 1716932289 157253 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even then, I tend to think of the smallest googological numbers as being decently-large exponent towers < 1716932303 829147 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: the other direction is exponential if you go to DFA but not if you go to NFA, right < 1716932319 947083 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :basically, anything that's beyond a viable computational complexity for an esolang :-) < 1716932330 178731 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: right, was thinking about DFAs < 1716932332 772931 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :a moment < 1716932529 688076 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :Yes, damage is also random, and there is also accuracy, and attacking yourself due to confusion, sometimes you cannot attack due to paralysis, random chance of secondary effects, etc. It is not only the damage that is random. < 1716932584 499708 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the damage randomization is comparatively minor compared to secondary effect randomness and status randomness < 1716932620 579841 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :competitively, if a particular KO is important to your team, you normally choose effort values so that you manage it even with a minimum damage roll < 1716932646 610707 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or, quite frequently you would be doing well over 100% anyway so the randomness doesn't matter < 1716932663 790189 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :damage ranges can be relevant, but the other major randomness sources are more relevant < 1716932680 159408 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I think damage ranges are more important for speedrunners, who don't have as much control over their Pokémon's stats) < 1716932780 176284 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :found it, http://perso.enst.fr/~madore/inf105/notes-inf105.pdf 3.4.8 (on page 41) is where it explicitly states that the regular expression size can be exponential > 1716933985 386539 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07C flat --14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=128951 5* 03Coder07 5* (+2202) 10Make page < 1716934145 674988 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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