< 1717805348 653645 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 JOIN #esolangs Lord_of_Life :Lord < 1717805350 460265 :Lord_of_Life!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1717805429 101296 :Lord_of_Life_!~Lord@user/lord-of-life/x-2819915 NICK :Lord_of_Life > 1717806222 625755 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* 10New user account > 1717806365 809119 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129711&oldid=129710 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+302) 10/* Introductions */ < 1717807097 814952 :amby!~ambylastn@31.205.89.228 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1717810241 13928 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03ThatGreenLED 5* 10New user account > 1717813154 232444 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Coolbeans14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=129712 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+1221) 10Created page with "Coolbeans is an esoteric programming language created by [[User:Tommyaweosme]] and Unname4798 (on lifewiki). == Stuff == - path | path \ turn / turn + intersection (they keep going the same way) > signal going right < signal going left ^ signal going up > 1717813803 930953 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Beefydie14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=129713 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+8178) 10Created page with "'''Beefydie''' is an esolang made by [[User:Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff]] which is inspired by [[ArnoldC]]. It is stack-based, but has 3 other forms of memory. They are > 1717813866 639476 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Beefydie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129714&oldid=129713 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+41) 10 > 1717813981 913155 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Beefydie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129715&oldid=129714 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+198) 10 > 1717814000 807173 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Beefydie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129716&oldid=129715 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+14) 10 > 1717814007 903349 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Beefydie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129717&oldid=129716 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (-1) 10/* Commands= */ > 1717814048 519732 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Beefydie14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129718&oldid=129717 5* 03Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff 5* (+39) 10 < 1717816078 824576 :Guest23!~Guest23@host-82-49-188-39.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN #esolangs * :[https://web.libera.chat] Guest23 < 1717816166 941339 :Guest23!~Guest23@host-82-49-188-39.retail.telecomitalia.it PART :#esolangs > 1717824325 121890 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129719&oldid=129651 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+106) 10 > 1717825289 104301 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ErrorFull14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129720&oldid=118994 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+194) 10 > 1717825975 258708 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sushi Conveyor14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=129721 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+1793) 10finish this later < 1717825978 385 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1717826062 938039 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Sushi Conveyor14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129722&oldid=129721 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+51) 10someone add the 2d category I forgot what it was > 1717826116 880585 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:EvyLah14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129723&oldid=128959 5* 03EvyLah 5* (+169) 10 > 1717826576 587194 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07ErrorFull14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=129724 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+2404) 10Created page with "ErrorFull(Or ErrorFullZ++) is invented by PSTF. == Error raise == {| class="wikitable" |+ Caption text |- ! If !! Error message |- | You includes any library || *Delete all import command and then cop > 1717826685 993565 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129725&oldid=129585 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+22) 10 < 1717826692 597532 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1717829309 937279 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1717829435 163585 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com JOIN #esolangs * :weechat > 1717829508 134591 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/move14]]4 move10 02 5* 03Ractangle 5* 10moved [[02\$10]] to [[FlipFlop]] < 1717829705 365514 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Good morning. Or if it's not morning where you are, then, hi. < 1717829761 335760 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Seen in a topic in another channel: "Expect long latency (i.e. don't join, say "hi", and quit after one minute of no response!)" < 1717829787 828192 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :IRC has become something very not-IRC. < 1717829887 161776 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :The "C" stands for "chat", you see. < 1717829896 913064 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :The TLD of libera.chat is also "chat". < 1717829984 370788 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1717830008 723072 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipFlop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129728&oldid=129726 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+461) 10 < 1717830036 613424 :chiselfuse!~chiselfus@user/chiselfuse JOIN #esolangs chiselfuse :chiselfuse < 1717830083 87446 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not sure what I think of "long latency chat", I'm not sure I can accept it as a form of "chat". < 1717830094 954178 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Might as well be on a mailing list, you know? > 1717830194 287019 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipFlop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129729&oldid=129728 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-7) 10 > 1717830284 681986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipFlop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129730&oldid=129729 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+31) 10 > 1717830303 673509 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129731&oldid=129699 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-27) 10/* Esolangs */ > 1717830322 61701 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ractangle14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129732&oldid=129731 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-21) 10/* Esolangs */ > 1717830563 429670 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07FlipFlop14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129733&oldid=129730 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+8) 10 < 1717830611 58561 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds > 1717830736 605598 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129734&oldid=129666 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-5) 10/* Cat program */ > 1717830756 260451 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129735&oldid=129734 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-30) 10/* Cat program */ > 1717830844 722273 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129736&oldid=129735 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-44) 10/* Text Engine */ > 1717830902 179211 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129737&oldid=129736 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-46) 10/* 99 bottles of beer */ > 1717830960 796279 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129738&oldid=129737 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-6) 10/* Truth-machine */ < 1717830982 918070 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com JOIN #esolangs cpressey :weechat > 1717831000 937570 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129739&oldid=129738 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-41) 10/* Truth-machine */ > 1717831022 346656 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[0714]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129740&oldid=129739 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-33) 10/* Hello World */ < 1717831501 87093 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :Social media wounded IRC, encrypted messaging apps killed it, and now LLMs are puuting the nails in the coffin. (Because why ask another human when you could just ask ChatGPT. Less embarrassing that way, you don't have to admit there's something you don't know.) < 1717831589 397060 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :aha < 1717832088 803428 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds > 1717832176 788747 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07I am selfish14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129741&oldid=129705 5* 03Ttulka 5* (+293) 10/* Examples */ add fibonacci example > 1717832214 461133 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129742&oldid=129719 5* 03Unicodes 5* (+26) 10 > 1717832222 11479 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129743&oldid=129742 5* 03Unicodes 5* (-13) 10 < 1717832422 405841 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com JOIN #esolangs cpressey :weechat < 1717832690 689925 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :high latency chat? as in, there are people on IRC who sometimes sleep? no way < 1717832810 801305 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, do you ever sleep? < 1717833437 409366 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think that's a yes. > 1717833962 572165 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Cantonese14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129744&oldid=112682 5* 03Indigo 5* (+27) 10Add Pseudonatural category > 1717834240 123092 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Indigo14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=129745 5* 03Indigo 5* (+52) 10Created page with "Hello, I'm Indigo. == My Esolangs == [[Cantonese]]" > 1717834245 477122 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BytePusher14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129746&oldid=126260 5* 03AnyPuter 5* (+159) 10 < 1717835769 309201 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm embarrassed by the low availability of fungot. I should define an SLO. < 1717836354 501596 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a JOIN #esolangs fungot :fungot-0.1 < 1717836397 130602 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot: Could you export a metric or something for Prometheus so that I could add an alert when you're not on channel? < 1717836397 753750 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: i see how it makes a lot of them who are behind the curve in innovation. :p fnord/ fnord/ search?q= < 1717836647 233556 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( make it spawn 100 child processes and then watch for a drop in the number of processes on the server ) < 1717836760 311057 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The current primary reliability problem is that it's usually still running, the TCP connection has just died but it doesn't notice because it never tries to proactively send anything, it's just blocked in the read call. It's running under OpenRC's supervise-daemon(8), so it would get restarted if it actually terminated. < 1717836827 407830 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah < 1717836849 129286 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I could fix that by turning on that TCP keepalive thing, but it doesn't have an autojoin thing so it still wouldn't get to the channel. < 1717836878 254389 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1717836884 398909 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fizzie: this seems to be a common problem with IRC bots. my jevalbot was even trying to send pings periodically, and was supposed to give up if the server doesn't answer in a while, but even so it sometimes didn't notice that the connection died, and I could never figure out the reason of that bug. < 1717836885 344195 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Been there, solved it by sending regular IRC PINGs. But that was in Haskell, not Befunge. < 1717836935 539013 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :It should work, hmm. Except in the rare case where you end up on an isolated node in a netsplit. < 1717836946 885549 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Also I'd need to make the ignore list part of the persisted state, currently I just always set it up manually before doing `^raw JOIN #esolangs`. < 1717836952 526347 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you don't even need to send pings for that, at least you didn't need to on freenode: the server regularly sends you pings, so if you don't read anything from the server in ten minutes you can tell it's disconnected. though it's often still a good idea to send pings anyway. < 1717836958 606183 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :TCP keepalive might do the trick too, yeah. < 1717837012 934737 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: No, the scenario is when the server *has* closed the connection but the TCP connection is still open on the IRC bot side. < 1717837044 452774 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Which can happen with a single lost packet, because TCP connections can stay alive forever without any packets sent. < 1717837044 572077 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"If you don't read anything in X minutes" would presumably catch that too. < 1717837073 239086 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :But true, you could check that those server-side pings actually arrived. I never thought of doing it that way. < 1717837114 972657 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: Sorry, I replied without reading your full message. A bad habit... < 1717837206 445828 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :The problem with implementing either "send something periodically" or "timeout on receive" in Befunge is that the SOCK fingerprint's R operation will just block the interpreter forever. Even if I spawn a second IP, the threading is synchronous so that won't advance either. < 1717837241 536311 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :does Befunge expose select()? < 1717837261 550764 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I faintly recall Vorpal (was that their last nickname?), the cfunge author, was also drafting an async threading fingerprint, but I don't think that ever happened. < 1717837322 7232 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :No, there's just accept (A), bind (B), connect (C), inet_aton (I), close (K), listen (L), setsockopt (O), recv (R), socket (S) and write (W). < 1717837371 94864 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wonder if it's customized results to me, but we (as in the wiki) are the #1 result for the query "befunge SOCK extension", which I'm sure millions of people do daily. < 1717837450 417135 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ok wait, technically what I said is wrong. I think the IRC server sends you pings only if you're silent, so that it can detect and purge dead connections, so technically an IRC client could send privmsgs, and as the server isn't expected to reply to them, the client might not notice that the server is dead. < 1717837482 245938 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I don't think that can happen to fungot, or to most clients < 1717837482 551096 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: not quite that similar. one can use scheme to transform it into character representation, and that using set! < 1717837510 543152 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Top queries (by impressions rather than clicks, since nothing has more than 1 click) for the last 3 months for the wiki, in case anyone's curious: https://zem.fi/tmp/wikiq.png < 1717837670 834996 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :. o O ( Not impressed ) < 1717837911 238907 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's good practice for IRC clients to send a ping (or any other command for which the server sends a local reply that the client can identify as a reply) once every 4000 bytes or so of data sent, for flow control purposes, but 4000 bytes can be a lot of very short messages with no reply expected sent, so in general you may need a timed mechanism too. < 1717837939 735449 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'll have to remember this for the next time I write an IRC client < 1717838081 165856 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :huh? the top query is "Uniquode"? < 1717838106 204000 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's a company apparently < 1717838115 114299 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for "olleh" I'm not surprised it's a frequent search, but I didn't know we'd be a top hit for it < 1717838128 834718 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"universal turing machine" makes sense < 1717838147 998897 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"frums" I don't know why we're a top hit for that either < 1717838179 832854 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are those numbers for a month? < 1717838191 510450 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Does it have to be a top hit? People might go deep into search results when considering hiring a consulting company (I think that's what they are). < 1717838203 142634 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :Or, possibly, applying at that company. < 1717838221 637592 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :sure < 1717838227 496336 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have not checked the actual Google results :P < 1717838303 745205 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you can't, they're customized for you, google search isn't pure functional < 1717838322 519011 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :well they aren't really customized for me. < 1717838491 290048 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :(They're still customized based on IP of course. I mostly use DDG (a slightly less creepy version of Bing) and only resort to Google's search as a fallback.) < 1717838553 241452 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think the numbers were for the last 3 months. < 1717838574 731447 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's usually a total of 5-20 impressions per day. < 1717838733 442550 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :In the last 3 months, we've never appeared on anyone's Discover feed. :/ < 1717838803 367216 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :wtf even is that < 1717838895 873387 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :The best thing Google^WAlphabet has done for me recently is this: https://int-e.eu/~bf3/tmp/bliss.png < 1717838933 55821 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Not sure how to answer that. It's an infinitely scrollable list of cards (mostly articles, sometimes videos) of things you might be interested in, not specific to any query, that shows up on a few surfaces (the Android and iOS search apps, I think Chrome as well, maybe some others). < 1717838964 924862 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :So basically the same thing that YT did on its front page but for searches? < 1717838989 578992 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess more or less. < 1717839526 114942 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Oh, and on the earlier question, no, it counts as an impression even if it's not the top position. Our average position is 25.7, which I imagine very few people even reach. < 1717839599 261474 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, sorry, when I said "top result" I didn't mean the very first non-payed link < 1717839607 203949 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I just mean in the first page < 1717839676 857061 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :"Impressions are counted when the user visits that page of results, even if the result was not scrolled into view. However, if a user views only page 1 but the result is on page 2, the impression is not counted." < 1717839682 885559 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Says the help text on the metric. < 1717839717 999702 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but yeah, the first page is no longer just 10 results < 1717839721 525214 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :google delivers like 30 now < 1717839756 71127 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so it's quite possible that the people who search never see it most of the time < 1717839873 591103 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :For me, "uniquode" returns: 1) the Uniqode "QR code management platform", which rings a faint bell, so might be relatively popular; 2) Uniquode Application Specialists LLP, that company; 3) LinkedIn page for that company; 4) Crunchbase (some sort of company info thing) page for that company; 5) https://esolangs.org/wiki/Uniquode < 1717840395 130731 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, so maybe we should look for some up-and-coming IT consultant companies, with fashionable words like "deep learning" and "blockchain" and "SEO" in their profile, and a stupid-sounding but unique name, and then make an esolang with that name, then we can get more views? < 1717841037 56102 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn JOIN #esolangs toonn :Unknown < 1717843994 927129 :amby!~ambylastn@31.205.89.228 JOIN #esolangs amby :realname < 1717846458 185565 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1717849285 841786 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1717849467 241565 :ursa-major!114efe6c39@2a03:6000:1812:100::11f3 QUIT :Write error: Connection reset by peer < 1717849467 899698 :ManDeJan!3da94070ba@user/mandejan QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1717849479 188794 :ManDeJan!3da94070ba@user/mandejan JOIN #esolangs ManDeJan :ManDeJan < 1717849483 340203 :ursa-major!114efe6c39@2a03:6000:1812:100::11f3 JOIN #esolangs ursa-major :Bailey Bjornstad < 1717849917 298526 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1717850398 736361 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1717850584 518699 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129747&oldid=129584 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+44) 10/* esolangs i made */ < 1717850661 295543 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com JOIN #esolangs * :weechat < 1717851037 722851 :^[!~user@user//x-8473491 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1717851166 564453 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1717851348 365283 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1717853153 167514 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1717854373 285003 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/newusers14]]4 create10 02 5* 03XxXaXxX 5* 10New user account > 1717855386 646557 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Introduce yourself14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129748&oldid=129711 5* 03XxXaXxX 5* (+53) 10Introduced myself > 1717855401 355149 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ratt14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=129749 5* 03XxXaXxX 5* (+387) 10An esolang named Ratt > 1717855479 71499 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129750&oldid=129725 5* 03XxXaXxX 5* (+9) 10Added Ratt > 1717855524 322940 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Joke language list14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129751&oldid=129750 5* 03XxXaXxX 5* (+2) 10Made into Bullet list > 1717856312 870290 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129752&oldid=129573 5* 03PrySigneToFry 5* (+369) 10 < 1717857780 989661 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie > 1717857840 209225 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ratt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129753&oldid=129749 5* 03XxXaXxX 5* (+8) 10Fixed something < 1717857845 238803 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1717857854 833059 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Ratt14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129754&oldid=129753 5* 03XxXaXxX 5* (+1) 10Fixed something < 1717857919 411263 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1717859114 438182 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User talk:Ais52314]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129755&oldid=129752 5* 03Ais523 5* (+391) 10/* Do you readed my essay About more Categories? */ no real benefit in doing that, and there are costs < 1717859260 909198 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1717860100 5194 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a JOIN #esolangs * :Thelie < 1717868310 450476 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1717868687 286144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@user/sgeo JOIN #esolangs Sgeo :realname < 1717869377 712213 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1717869938 926855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BFBWW14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129756&oldid=108759 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-20) 10 > 1717870022 730986 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129757&oldid=129747 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+41) 10 > 1717870146 776312 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129758&oldid=129743 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+206) 10 > 1717870263 861731 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129759&oldid=129758 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+120) 10/* brainbreak */ > 1717870289 321156 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07BFInfinity14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129760&oldid=127468 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+284) 10/* Commands */ > 1717870605 326587 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Vfl14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129761&oldid=127545 5* 03Viba1 5* (+104) 10add prime number henerator < 1717870747 130476 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1717870927 294768 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com JOIN #esolangs * :weechat > 1717870977 270010 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Tommyaweosme profile.png10]]": the profile icon for tommyaweosme > 1717870999 94370 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Tommyaweosme talk.png10]]": the talk icon for tommyaweosme > 1717871152 762690 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Esolang:Sandbox14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129764&oldid=129759 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+38) 10 < 1717871445 977579 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User > 1717871578 85372 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Uyjhmn--14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129765&oldid=129485 5* 03Ractangle 5* (+48) 10/* Commands */ > 1717871649 506000 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Uyjhmn--14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129766&oldid=129765 5* 03Ractangle 5* (-42) 10/* Computational class */ > 1717872069 441339 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[077 bottles of tommyaweosme14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=129767 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+561) 10Created page with "7 bottles of tommyaweosme is a programming challenge designed to be like [[99 bottles of beer on the wall]] but different. == Lyrics == 7 bottles of tommyaweosme on the wall 7 bottles of tommyaweosme take one down get +100 health 6 bottles of > 1717872091 131232 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[077 bottles of tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129768&oldid=129767 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+61) 10 > 1717872153 95880 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Aweosme-complete14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=129769 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+131) 10Created page with "{{Lowercase}} Unfinished computing level. == List of requirements (unfinished) == * Be able to print [[7 bottles of tommyaweosme]]." > 1717872324 337 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/function14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=129770 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+251) 10Created page with "The tommyaweosme function goes like this: * Take any input (can be predetermined numbers for no input languages) * Add 5 * Multiply by 2 * Subtract 10 repeatedly until below 10 * If answer is 0, output 87 once. * Otherwise, repeatedly output > 1717872347 456855 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Aweosme-complete14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129771&oldid=129769 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+75) 10 > 1717872617 428952 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme/constant14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=129772 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+304) 10Created page with "The tommyaweosme constant goes: 568756568756565687... == How it works == Pseudocode ensues: 10 make var n 20 print "56" n times 30 print "87" once 40 n is n+1 50 go to 20 == How it relates to esolangs == If your programming language can't do > 1717872686 833156 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Aweosme-complete14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129773&oldid=129771 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+114) 10finished article < 1717872886 349338 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds > 1717873140 540485 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:7 bottles of tommyaweosme in pseudocode.png10]]": dont ask how i got those custom blocks (its penguinmod) > 1717873165 576501 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[077 bottles of tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129775&oldid=129768 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+101) 10 > 1717873485 170575 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129776&oldid=129757 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+37) 10 > 1717873510 84821 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Lines are cool start.png10]]" > 1717873541 791432 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Lines are cool end.png10]]" > 1717873620 292039 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Lines are cool print.png10]]" > 1717873764 158240 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Lines are cool variable 1.png10]]" > 1717873911 727777 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Lines are cool variable 2.png10]]" > 1717874013 483993 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Lines are cool hello world.png10]]" < 1717874084 227127 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds > 1717874156 198675 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Lines are cool if statement.png10]]" > 1717874365 351176 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Ttulka14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129784&oldid=129674 5* 03Ttulka 5* (+2) 10/* Stroke+- */ typo > 1717874440 540990 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Lines are cool truth-machine.png10]]" > 1717874451 638251 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lines are cool14]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=129786 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+1410) 10Created page with "Lines are cool is an esolang made by [[File:Tommyaweosme profile.png|75px|link=User:Tommyaweosme]]. == Commands == Note that the boxes do not need to be exact. They can be different. Lines can have arrows at the end of them, but they are not needed. Mainly > 1717874499 390422 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129787&oldid=129776 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+45) 10 > 1717874510 831926 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07User:Tommyaweosme14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129788&oldid=129787 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (-5) 10/* other stuff */ error fix > 1717874610 257784 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lines are cool14]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129789&oldid=129786 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+2) 10/* User input = */ more error fixing < 1717875073 3056 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) < 1717875092 595097 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1717875105 935226 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 JOIN #esolangs ais523 :(this is obviously not my real name) > 1717875196 603405 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Lines are cool 7 bottles.png10]]" > 1717875243 761638 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lines are cool14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129791&oldid=129789 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+76) 10 > 1717875316 743604 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Lines are cool14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129792&oldid=129791 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* (+39) 10/* 7 bottles of tommyaweosme */ < 1717875346 984352 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com JOIN #esolangs cpressey :weechat < 1717875364 667682 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi cpressey < 1717875383 997084 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :someone posted the entire Befunge-97 spec on the wiki – are they allowed to do that copyright-wise? < 1717875854 385128 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :hi ais523 < 1717875986 339244 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I haven't been doing much wrt esolangs recently, although I have been doing more wiki moderation than normal < 1717876014 503904 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ping fizzie, he might know something about this < 1717876029 376958 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: well I assume cpressey owns the copyright < 1717876061 104074 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I would also assume that I own the copyright < 1717876108 916069 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :That doesn't mean it might not be a good idea for me to dedicate it to the public domain, however, that's not something I want to decide at this very moment < 1717876121 727297 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn't that for a different version of Befunge < 1717876124 599079 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fair enough < 1717876153 459344 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think you have admin powers on the wiki, so my current plan is to let you decide what (if anything) to do about it, then either do it yourself or tell me < 1717876159 944516 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I thought you ought to know what had happene < 1717876187 34949 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :In general people should not be copying random stuff from the Internet Archive onto a wiki that as one of its terms says your contriution must be placed in the public domain. So on principle, I dislike this act. < 1717876242 36617 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: yes, thank you for mentioning it, I'm not monitoring the wiki very closely < 1717876273 850928 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'm not monitoring it as closely as I used to, it moves too quickly to keep up with nowadays < 1717876289 619756 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I used to read every edit, but there are about 10 times as many as there were < 1717876315 528608 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :Piet Mondrian died in 1944, so the programs that he painted are now in public domain < 1717876360 688297 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I do get disappointed at the number of syntax substitutions that get posted as esolangs – syntax is part of the esolang experience, but is normally one of the less interesting parts < 1717876376 643255 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the base language varies, although BF and Deadfish are both very common < 1717876407 571831 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are also a lot of "random list of funny commands that don't go together to form a coherent language" esolangs < 1717876463 731106 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess this has always been the case to some extent < 1717876465 108593 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that reminds me of the upside-down program I mentioned in https://esolangs.org/wiki/Piet#Notes > 1717876482 663305 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Piet14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129793&oldid=126319 5* 03B jonas 5* (+1) 10/* Notes */ formatting was broken < 1717876501 683574 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, do we have an article on asciipiet? < 1717876508 678112 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I should probably write that at some point < 1717876540 921965 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(it is just a syntax substitution of Piet which uses a 2D grid of characters rather than an image file, primarily to make file sizes smaller, although it likely also makes it easier to write) < 1717876581 653270 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that makes file sizes *smaller*? I thought typical Piet programs compress well in PNG < 1717876602 299576 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: at least for small programs it does, because PNG headers can be quite large < 1717876624 719448 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1717876734 171973 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :also asciipiet doesn't need to specify the palette, whereas in PNG you would need to do that either in the header, or by writing out the colors every time and having the compression program do the equivalent of a palette when compressing it < 1717876790 997104 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in terms of more interesting languages, there has been a spate of Nopfunge derivatives recently, first by Keymaker and then by me < 1717876883 968882 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(where the original basic idea is that you just have Befunge's movement instructions < ^ > v, but it's Turing complete because the program is infinitely large, and the details come down to how the program is infinitely repeated and what if any edge cases exist) < 1717877023 423840 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1717877180 380751 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :So it's possibly not healthy, but my inclination right now, is to ask User:BoundedBeans (on the talk page) what legal theory they were acting under when they dedicated something I wrote in 1997 into the public domain. < 1717877202 794405 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :This will not have the effect I would like it to have, I know that. < 1717877289 321181 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fwiw I don't think they did so successfully < 1717877515 931140 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: true. PNG doesn't support low bit-depth true color, and even if it would, Piet is specified in an annoying way where it expects colors exactly equal to the standard ones and considers any other color as white or black (though this is implementation-defined so you could have an implementation that rounds colors better). < 1717877549 410437 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, now I'm wondering what an analog Piet would be like < 1717877555 497026 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523: how does that differ from Nopfunge? < 1717877578 615376 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: I was describing Nopfunge < 1717877581 899075 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :oh good\ < 1717877589 494037 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, you did say that, sorry < 1717877599 883140 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's the language that I am proposing as featured on the wiki by the way < 1717877605 738501 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you'll have to decide on that very soon < 1717877630 822230 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :there are two styles of Nopfunge derivatives: one style keeps (or only slightly modifies) the ^ < v > but simplifies the way the program is used to tile the plane < 1717877651 114106 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the other makes use of turning instructions rather than four arrows < 1717877683 232806 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in my derivative https://esolangs.org/wiki/Nopstacle the only instructions are empty space and obstacles, and the IP moves forwards until it encounters an obstacle, and turns left rather than moving into an obstacle square < 1717877711 234830 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and the program is quarter-infinite (it repeats infinitely downwards and rightwards, but the space to the left and above is filled with obstacles) < 1717877717 835612 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's enough for TCness < 1717877834 276508 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :don't obstacles bi-translate to normal nopfunge locally, if you blow up the grid to a few times larger so each square is replaced by like 7x7 squares or so? < 1717877851 605303 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the tiling pattern does differ from nopfunge though < 1717877868 32077 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: yes < 1717877890 850853 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :can simple translate to a nopfunge derivative that has the same tiling pattern, like Nopfunge Solid or Nopfunge Intanglble < 1717877904 89783 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :for fixed size the obstacle thing does show up in some puzzles like Portalsnake < 1717877927 534512 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, although Portal Snake's obstacles are a bit more complicated < 1717877936 986121 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :in that the snake will turn right if it is blocked in front and to its left < 1717877945 2235 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(whereas Nopstacle turns left twice and goes back the way it came) < 1717877954 81429 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I didn't know Nopfunge derivatives was a genre now. Do we need a category on the wiki for it? And does Conedy count as one? < 1717877969 685284 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :besides the existing 2D category < 1717877980 980181 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I am not sure if there are enough for a category < 1717877990 304931 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the see also lists to a good job of tying them together < 1717877995 631179 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :maybe Conedy should be mentioned < 1717877997 145997 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I see < 1717878002 973873 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(although, I am still not sure whether Conedy is TC) < 1717878013 763798 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it was supposed to be but I think I might have messed up > 1717878084 215057 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Nopfunge14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129794&oldid=121801 5* 03B jonas 5* (+13) 10/* See also */ < 1717878114 221987 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :that's fine, it's still a derivative interesting to mention even if it turns out to be not TC < 1717878130 818025 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and if it's not, there's probably some modified version that is TC < 1717878200 29899 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :being questionably TC is more interesting < 1717878214 821214 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it is known to be more powerful than a push-down automaton (it can implement all PDAs and some programs that are provably not PDAs) < 1717878218 898827 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but isn't obviously TC < 1717878329 364717 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :how useful would it be to be at least as powerful to implement a PDA if it can't get any input? < 1717878363 710313 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :well it has an I/O extension < 1717878401 603083 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but there are some PDA languages where you can encode input into the source in a reasonable way, like Splinter < 1717878424 984774 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :anyway, AFK for a while < 1717878449 876764 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :hmm, yeah, if you can encode input in the source code in a cheap enough way then that might make it interesting, yes < 1717878497 331045 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1717878526 109570 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :like with TC you can have a fixed program whose behavior is undecidable, but with just a one-stack machine I think that's not possible < 1717878610 676693 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :are one-stack machine programs decidable with an algorithm that gets the program as in input? I don't remember < 1717878632 404166 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I expect that they are > 1717878648 870672 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/delete14]]4 delete10 02 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* 10deleted "[[02Befunge/96 and 9710]]": Copyright violation: content was: " Through some obscure corner of the Wayback Machine, I ([[User:BoundedBeans]]) managed to find the original Funge-97 and Befunge-96 spec (not Funge-98, but its much more elusive parent). I've copied the specs here (sorry for the loss of formatti < 1717878847 265624 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :First I've heard of Nopfunge, I'll have to ... read ... this < 1717878889 376961 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I did have an idea for another esolang, today or yesterday, but it's slightly lame < 1717878895 254216 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :But maybe it's not < 1717878953 362471 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :But maybe it's not ... if the programs are infinitely long < 1717878996 884085 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :So basically, what if there was a programming language, where "This sentence is false." is a meaningful program. < 1717879034 406318 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :The simplest semantics would be to keep revisiting the truth value of the sentence, right. So that program keeps flipping between truw and false. < 1717879056 800328 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :But then, let a program consist of more than one sentence, and they can refer to other sentences as well as themselves. < 1717879106 803027 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :But that reduces to SAT (I think). < 1717879163 664202 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :But what if a program consists of an infinite number of such sentences, with the usual constraints on that from the cellular automata world. < 1717879255 579912 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :"This sentence is true iff the sentence 3 sentences before this sentence is false and the next sentence is true." as an example of how it could be extended. < 1717879328 310116 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :back < 1717879363 183122 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :For lack of a better working title, I've been thinking of calling it "Cretan Breakfast Club" < 1717879379 195388 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :it's basically an iterated Boolean circuit, I think < 1717879384 832994 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is how electronics work in real life < 1717879385 237923 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes < 1717879436 463669 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :which is why I consider it slightly lame. it's partly just so to have a language where the Liar Paradox sentence, is a valid program. < 1717879481 16927 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I had a name for that kind of language but it escapes me at the moment < 1717879501 473563 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :lol < 1717879532 878912 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :my brain is going towards "so what if you run the sentences in sequence and there's an infinite loop" but I don't think that's any more interesting < 1717879543 520959 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :"pastiche language", that's the term < 1717879589 154030 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(I'm laughing on how you first explain about a language of "A: B is a knave; B: A is a knight" puzzles, and then "I had a name ... but it escapes me at the moment" is such a funny Smullyan reference.) < 1717879676 810014 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I recently found a paper on a generalized account of these paradoxes and the author was able to apply it to a number of them; but there was an example of a Richard sentence he wasn't able to immediately generalize; which seems interesting. One sec and I can try to find it < 1717879740 653520 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://arxiv.org/abs/math/0305282 -- page 11 of the PDF, "For reasons that are beyond the author, this paradox remains." < 1717879898 917968 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :(Chef is probably the quintessential pastiche language. Others abound.) > 1717879902 920837 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Lines are cool a+b.png10]]" < 1717879920 730988 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :isn't the resolution here that it's impossible to tell whether a given sentence describes a real number between 0 and 1 or not? < 1717879969 965876 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richardson%27s_theorem < 1717879983 444377 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 PRIVMSG #esolangs :so talking about the nth such sentence is not well-defined > 1717880512 330303 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befunge/96 and 9714]]4 N10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=129796 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+1260) 10Restore the CC0 portions of the deleted version of this page. > 1717880569 729816 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Befunge/96 and 9714]]4 M10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129797&oldid=129796 5* 03Chris Pressey 5* (+17) 10passive voice > 1717880579 566568 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Special:Log/upload14]]4 upload10 02 5* 03Tommyaweosme 5* 10uploaded "[[02File:Lines are cool looping counter.png10]]" < 1717880674 188831 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com PRIVMSG #esolangs :I have no idea. Probably. Mainly mentioning it as a possible way of taking a language designed on these principles, further. Possibly too far... < 1717880953 164932 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz… < 1717883329 920531 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com JOIN #esolangs cpressey :weechat < 1717883393 401323 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl JOIN #esolangs * :Textual User < 1717883896 841659 :cpressey!~weechat@33b62f0c.skybroadband.com QUIT :Quit: WeeChat 4.3.0 < 1717884265 809650 :tromp!~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl QUIT :Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz… < 1717885267 673156 :__monty__!~toonn@user/toonn QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1717886784 831847 :ais523!~ais523@user/ais523 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1717886838 548527 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :How to make factorial of a square matrix? < 1717887313 913216 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1717887363 962893 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a JOIN #esolangs Thelie :Thelie < 1717887687 119119 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: is the matrix hermitian? < 1717887955 995796 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I don't know? Is it only defined for a Hermitian matrix (I may have some idea about why it might)? < 1717888000 784619 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :zzo38: afaiu, in general, if you want to apply a complex->complex analytic function onto a matrix, you either take the integer powers of that matrix and then substitute it into a taylor series, or you compute the eigendecomposition of the matrix, hope that it's diagonal (it is in if the matrix is hermitian or if its coefficients are randomly chosen), apply the function to the eigenvalues, then multiply < 1717888006 848992 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :back with the eigenvector. the problem with the taylor series thing is that it will often diverge. < 1717888083 197857 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :even if the eigendecomposition is diagonal, you can have the factorial diverge, because it already does so at negative integers and some other complex numbers, but there's not much you can do about that < 1717888134 982722 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :but I think there's some reason why this only works out well for hermitian matrices. I don't really remember how this works < 1717888175 776500 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the easy case is if you only want to substitute the matrix into a polynomial, but you asked about factorial which clearly isn't one < 1717888451 305205 :Thelie!~Thelie@2a03:2260:300c:400:61bd:fe2e:1f3c:b90a QUIT :Remote host closed the connection > 1717889269 452266 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Doors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129804&oldid=129479 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+95) 10/* Truth machine */ > 1717890122 437885 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Doors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129805&oldid=129804 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+17) 10/* Info */ > 1717890172 104916 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Doors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129806&oldid=129805 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+10) 10/* Commands/Entities */ > 1717890217 880751 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Doors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129807&oldid=129806 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+53) 10/* Examples */ > 1717890470 998583 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Doors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129808&oldid=129807 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+80) 10/* Truth machine */ > 1717890504 195793 PRIVMSG #esolangs :14[[07Doors14]]4 10 02https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=129809&oldid=129808 5* 03BestCoder 5* (+4) 10/* Commands/Entities */