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03:49:50 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131007&oldid=131002 * MihaiEso * (+279) Added a heading, and a question.
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06:46:27 <esolangs> [[List of ideas]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131008&oldid=129620 * PkmnQ * (+159) /* Partially Silly Ideas */
07:00:50 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/newusers]] create  * Gsep *  New user account
07:17:33 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Introduce yourself]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131009&oldid=130873 * Gsep * (+156) /* Introductions */
07:52:27 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso/Mp3tag Export Templates]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131010&oldid=130863 * MihaiEso * (+2325) 
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08:04:19 <esolangs> [[User:EvyLah/public stack]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131012&oldid=130910 * EvyLah * (+385) 
08:04:44 <esolangs> [[User:EvyLah/public stack]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131013&oldid=131012 * EvyLah * (+36) 
08:05:08 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso/Esoteric formats]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131014 * MihaiEso * (+160) Created page with "Here is a category of esoteric file formats, made just by myself. Right now: 1!  [[/Simple Playlist (SPL)]], a simple playlist format, not based on XML or JSON."
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08:28:27 <esolangs> [[Readability--]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131015 * EvyLah * (+2244) standard stuff
08:29:03 <esolangs> [[Readability--]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131016&oldid=131015 * EvyLah * (+2) /* I/O */ small edit
08:46:20 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso/Esoteric formats/Simple Playlist (SPL)]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131017 * MihaiEso * (+4478) Created esoteric format!
08:51:39 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso/Mp3tag Export Templates]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131018&oldid=131010 * MihaiEso * (+1765) Added my own playlist format!
08:53:28 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131019&oldid=131007 * MihaiEso * (+278) /* Creating esoteric formats for you! */ new section
08:54:45 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso/Esoteric formats/Simple Playlist (SPL)]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131020&oldid=131017 * MihaiEso * (-2) Grammar
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09:31:08 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso/Esoteric formats]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131021&oldid=131014 * MihaiEso * (+29) Added wink emoji!
09:31:37 <esolangs> [[User:MihaiEso/Esoteric formats/Simple Playlist (SPL)]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131022&oldid=131020 * MihaiEso * (+29) Added wink emoji!
09:53:44 <coat> Is esoteric format on-topic for Esolang? See above edits ^^^
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13:01:17 <coat> why is this the 20th international hub? what were the 1st to 19th hubs?
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13:17:24 <esolangs> [[Image]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131024&oldid=121039 * MathigonDec * (+23) SVG IS TURING COMPLETE???
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13:57:00 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131026&oldid=131019 * Tommyaweosme * (+239) /* Creating esoteric formats for you! */
14:02:08 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/ta format]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131027 * Tommyaweosme * (+732) Created page with "ta format (.ta) is gif with audio storing == how it works == === colors === there is section   COLORS  r #ff0000  b #0066ff  c #005467  this defines colors to use in... === picture ===  PICTURE  h3w3f3  rbr  bcb  rbr  bcb  crc  bcb  crc  rbr  crc
14:03:33 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131028&oldid=130704 * Tommyaweosme * (+306) 
14:05:36 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131029&oldid=130904 * Tommyaweosme * (-809) Replaced content with "if [[user:ais523|ais523]] doesnt want a sandbox, then he wont get one"
14:06:28 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/progress on war]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131030&oldid=130903 * Tommyaweosme * (+34) untick. untick. tick.
14:07:11 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131031&oldid=131006 * Tommyaweosme * (-1883) Replaced content with ":("
14:07:21 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131032&oldid=131031 * Tommyaweosme * (+1) :(
14:07:41 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/archives]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131033&oldid=130976 * Tommyaweosme * (+0) 
14:08:10 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/move]] move  * Tommyaweosme *  moved [[User talk:Tommyaweosme]] to [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/archives/june 18 to 22]]
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14:11:49 <esolangs> [[User talk:Tommyaweosme/rules]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131037 * Tommyaweosme * (+243) Created page with "1. ais523 goes in [[User talk:tommyaweosme/ais523 messages|their own inbox]]  2. no deleting my userpages anymore :(  3. [[user:tommyaweosme/sandbox|AMONGUS]]  4. [[bbtos]] is not a joke language and you cant do anything about it  5. have fun!"
14:20:58 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/brainfuck scripts]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131038&oldid=131005 * Tommyaweosme * (+257) 
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16:54:23 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme/bgame]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131040&oldid=131039 * Tommyaweosme * (+0) 
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18:04:33 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131041&oldid=131028 * Ais523 * (+880) /* WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?!? */ explaining what the Sandbox is about
18:05:41 <esolangs> [[Esolang:Sandbox]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131042&oldid=131029 * Ais523 * (+154) clean sandbox (in particular, restore the message letting new users know what it's about)
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18:07:02 <ais523> I think we should probably go back to the traditional topic – the current one seems tob e confusing new people
18:07:31 -!- ais523 has set topic: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language discussion, development, and deployment! | https://esolangs.org | logs: https://logs.esolangs.org/.
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18:22:01 <int-e> ais523: how boring :-/ but yeah you're probably right
18:22:11 <int-e> `? quirk
18:22:14 <HackEso> quirk? ¯\(°​_o)/¯
18:22:54 <ais523> I am having trouble trying to admin the wiki at the moment
18:23:27 <ais523> the rate of edits is very high, and there's much more offtopic content than usual
18:25:12 <int-e> how do "we" even have an edit war over the sandbox...
18:26:08 <ais523> I think there was at least one person trying to use a sandbox as a performance art piece, rather than a place for test edits like it's meant to be
18:26:26 <ais523> …but as soon as content in the Sandbox becomes something that's worth preserving, it is no longer fulfilling its intended purpose
18:27:21 <ais523> (and also the content in question was ontopic anyway)
18:27:40 <ais523> this is partially my fault for not cleaning the Sandbox earlier, but I hadn't realised that this would happen as a consequence
18:28:05 <int-e> The real problem I see is that there's a disconnect between the people editing the wiki (is it the Discord guild that gets occasionally mentioned?) and the people hosting and administrating it (fizzie and you and by extension this channel)
18:28:29 <ais523> I think it is likely that Discord is involved here, yes
18:28:54 <ais523> it seems to have a culture of making useless throwaway esolangs – especially constant string printers and BF derivatives – in large numbers
18:29:44 <ais523> but, the history of the wiki is very tied up with "don't delete esolang content just because people think it's unnotable/uninteresting" – that happened to a lot of actually interesting esolangs back on Wikipedia
18:29:58 <ais523> although most of those had considerable amounts of actual effort put into them
18:30:30 <ais523> I think probably the ideal would be to split the very trivial esolangs from the less trivial ones, somehow, but I am not sure how we could manage that
18:31:42 <ais523> we have the brainfuck-derivative and brainfuck-equivalent categories
18:32:18 <ais523> although, some such languages are somewhat interesting (Lenguage is a BF equivalent for example – although the way it does I/O differs from most BF implementations – and yet its specific choice of syntax is pretty interesting)
18:32:36 <int-e> Right but we used to strive for pages that are somewhat fleshed out. Even the slew of brainfuck derivatives usually had a complete specification. Things like https://esolangs.org/wiki/Shape-complete (no particular reason to pick that one except that I clicked on it) are so devoid of substance.
18:34:23 <ais523> I know
18:35:24 <ais523> if we could have an objective rule to separate the more interesting from the less interesting pages, we could perhaps solve the issue somewhat (e.g. with a separate language list page, or a category for more fleshed-out articles)
18:35:36 <ais523> but the nature of esolangs is that it is going to be very hard to create one of those
18:36:35 <int-e> oh https://esolangs.org/wiki//constants can certainly be deleted
18:37:58 <esolangs> [[Special:Log/delete]] delete  * Ais523 *  deleted "[[/constants]]": Author request: blanked by author shortly after creation
18:41:06 <int-e> TBH most of this stuff looks to me to be in good faith; this war (their term? https://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Tommyaweosme/progress_on_war ...) over the sandbox stands out as an exception
18:41:35 <ais523> oh yes, most of it is
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18:41:51 <ais523> that makes things more difficult, if someone is entirely acting in bad faith you can just block them and move on
18:42:13 <ais523> if someone is being broadly reasonable, but unreasonable in a few specific respects, the moderation job is considerably harder
18:42:56 <ais523> although, a large flood of good-faith edits tends to also lead to a large increase in author-request deletions
18:43:09 <ais523> and it becomes easy to miss them
18:44:50 <int-e> Anyway yeah the sheer volume of edits is staggering. I've ignored the esolangs bot spam and just took a look at recent edits for the first time in a while... I don't want to imagine what trying to keep up with them all feels like.
19:04:33 <esolangs> [[Dreadfish]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=131043 * Tommyaweosme * (+790) Created page with "Dreadish is an input-only language based on [[Deadfish]], and is the first of its type. == Commands ==  u input  i increment  d decrement  s square  v switch with second counter (unless second counter is 0 unless first time)  ( repeat amount of times of second cou
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19:05:31 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131045&oldid=131044 * Tommyaweosme * (+16) 
19:06:31 <esolangs> [[User talk:Ais523]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131046&oldid=131041 * Tommyaweosme * (+194) /* WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?!?!?!? */
19:08:27 <esolangs> [[User:Tommyaweosme]]  https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=131047&oldid=131045 * Tommyaweosme * (+100) 
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