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< 1719332217 817398 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :fungot, have you featured a new language on the wiki yet?
< 1719332219 478198 :fungot!~fungot@2a01:4b00:82bb:1341::a PRIVMSG #esolangs :b_jonas: it at least.... clear it out after people look?
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< 1719334171 595327 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-06-19.html#lK a language that can't hard-code arbitrary amounts of data, but can take arbitrary amounts if data as input and run an interpreter that way => hmm, like eodermdrome? I can also imagine getting something like that naturally from a collectible card game where the program is your deck. 
< 1719334208 397007 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :also any UTM
< 1719334372 985986 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I mean... for any language that's TC you can define a version with constrained source code size that will, technically, satisfy that constraint and still be TC.
< 1719334460 469385 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-06-22.html#lM coat: why 20th? I think the topic said "20th anniversary" at some point, but the "anniversary" got eroded off. the channel's official birthdate is 2002-12-09.
< 1719334494 262899 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: yes, ais523 linked to https://esolangs.org/wiki/%E2%84%92
< 1719334524 338977 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :ah
< 1719334806 456634 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :ais523 https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-06-22.html#lXb : indeed, which is why on Stack Exchange, when site (diamond) moderator candidates give their campaign statement before an election, the first question they are asked is "How would you deal with a user who produced a steady stream of valuable answers, but tends to generate a large number of arguments/flags from comments?"
< 1719335207 241080 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-06-23.html#l3c => I felt called out by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieqsL5NkS6I "finish the esolang you promised us" :(
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< 1719335439 748514 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :This "war" terminology bothers me quite a bit.
< 1719335484 660229 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: joke language could work, but what I'd advise instead is to just create an article about the original (non-esoteric) machine language, and explain how that interesting feature is essnetial to the language
< 1719335747 421276 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-06-24.html#lZ => the impressive part is how much they manage to be compatible between Intel and AMD CPUs.
< 1719335907 418786 :fizzie!~irc@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esolangs :Those logs URLs are now kinda long with the "network-channel" bit in it. :/
< 1719336104 272 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx https://logs.esolangs.org/libera-esolangs/2024-06-24.html#leb => see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HSjJU562e8 on an Atari 2600 game that leaks its own source code on the game video, but it turns out it only leaks the bottom seven bits of every other byte
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< 1719337197 520057 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you could also get a language with limited space for hard-coding into the program but being able to interpret an unlimited amount of data if you just take an abstract version of an ordinary real-world computer with a limited amount of RAM (let's say 128 gigabytes) and ordinary disk space, but an unlimited slow storage device, and take the natural choice that the program is in the RAM and disk, while the 
< 1719337203 656152 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :input and output are on the unlimited slow storage (with space left for temporary data as well)
< 1719337260 671112 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :or the input and output come from the internet, and the computer gets access to some unlimited storage subscription through the internet for use as temporary storage
< 1719337412 474871 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :your 128 gigabytes of RAM and 192 terabytes of disk space is enough for any practical program that you'd want to express, but not infinite in theory
< 1719337433 848486 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and of course you need much less for universality
< 1719337541 591182 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :"unlimited"
< 1719337580 996298 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yes, in both space and time, since your theoretical program might be very slow
< 1719337630 431875 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :the subscription still has to be repeatedly renewed Boltzmann-brain months from now
< 1719337794 215777 :zzo38!~zzo38@host-24-207-52-143.public.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esolangs :I think MIX (Knuth) would allow tapes to be theoretically unlimited (and slow), but the RAM is very small compared with modern computers.
< 1719337801 64329 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :and more -- Boltzmann-brain months is only roughly like 2**(2**(2**10)) months after all
< 1719338087 567170 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: the storage doesn't even need to be immediately unlimited capacity. if it's infinitely renewable and the liminf of the storage capacity by time is infinite that's enough for us. 
< 1719338163 187463 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I guess realistically you'll run out of time before you run out of space for storing data. Unless you go the gray goo route.
< 1719338295 991380 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :an inappropriate HHGG quote comes into my mind: “The statistical likelihood is that other civilizations will arise. There will one day be lemon-soaked paper napkins. Till then, there will be a short delay.”, even though that's talking about less than heat-death months of delay, an exponential less than Boltzmann-brain months 
< 1719338482 262536 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :int-e: actually someone claimed to me that you run out of space first, though I don't understand the cosmology enough to tell if that's true, that is, they claimed that if you have a civilization whose sphere of colinizing new galaxies expands at near-lightspeed (just assume they develop faster and faster ships during), then they run out of theoretically reachable galaxies before they run out of time, 
< 1719338488 350647 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as in, before all the stars go out
< 1719338494 587436 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I'd like to hear from someone who understands the physics whether this is true
< 1719338592 975768 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :sorry that's too esoteric for me :)
< 1719338614 534318 :int-e!~noone@int-e.eu PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wouldn't know what meaningful numbers to plug into what formulas to arrive at a conclusion
< 1719338616 920775 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :yeah, I was just wondering if I'm having discussions too strange for this channel
< 1719339068 131086 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :to be honest I should be *hoping* or rooting for that you run out of space first. I have this idea that from the point of view of the anthropic principle, where we want interesting intelligent life to arise and survive, it's a good thing that we are stuck on a planet alone in the middle of vast empty space for a while, and we expect other beings to be similarly stuck, and a few millenia ago people were 
< 1719339074 133613 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :stuck in even smaller parts of the globe with not even the mightiest ruler being able to dream of conqering the majority of beings on the planet. this reduces the likelihood that an *uninteresting* growing pattern takes over the whole universe or the whole planet quickly, thus not allowing interesting beings to arise. similarly that's why beings have to compete for limited resources, it means there 
< 1719339080 146515 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :won't just be an uninteresting pattern expanding without requiring any resources for growth taking over before beings develop interesting strategies to better fight for those limited resources. if you run out of space first that means that there's a final barrier, that even at the most advanced technological level you can't conquer the whole universe, and so there's multiple chances for an interesting 
< 1719339086 223522 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :universe-wide civilization to arise somewhere.
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< 1719339142 232228 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :light-speed barrier for search purposes
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< 1719339252 236713 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :(this explains why the universe was designed with finite light-speed and nonzero gravity, but doesn't explain, at least to my limited understanding, why we need quantum mechanics)
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< 1719358410 837248 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :if the thread above is on realising practical infinite storage for TCness, I think the limiting factor is energy, not space (or time?).
< 1719358425 464644 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There seems there could be many ways to arrange stuff within a finite space to give infinite configurations.
< 1719358439 441302 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :At the very least, stand on the edge of the universe and throw a rock n meters further out, then keep extending it as far as you need.
< 1719358526 436199 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :you don't need infinite stuff, just infinite reconfiguration, (and both boil down to energy anyway)
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< 1719358668 67309 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :There's a bit in David Deutsch's book The Fabric of Reality that suggests (a serious?) way to get infinite computation under extreme conditions, I can't recall the details
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< 1719358744 251064 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :... I think everying is destoryed, but it's ok because we can all live forever in the resulting infinite simulation nano-seconds before the end of the universe.
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< 1719358937 20734 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :I wasn't especially convinced, but I hadn't read a description of something quite like that before.
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< 1719359533 979129 :salpynx!~salpynx@161.29.23.120 PRIVMSG #esolangs :The idea is called Omega Point Theory, by someone named Tipler. Apparently it is a serious cosmological idea.
< 1719359781 288822 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :salpynx: my tangent wasn't really about realizing infinite storage, and even if infinite storage were impossible, my question about the ultimate limits for a quickly expanding civilization remains
< 1719359859 873835 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :"arrange stuff within a finite space to give infinite configurations" is impossible I believe, because of the weird quantum mechanical information limit 
< 1719359937 784865 :b_jonas!~x@88.87.242.184 PRIVMSG #esolangs :as for the infinite computation in our universe, there's a pop science book by Paul Davies about that