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00:56:51 <Sgeo> I know about one's complement and two's complement. But is there a term for every word of memory having a special dedicated sign bit?
00:57:26 <Sgeo> On a related note, General Mills, the cereal company, designed a computer. NASA used a computer designed by General Mills, the cereal company. https://bitsavers.org/pdf/generalMills/GeneralMillsComputerBrochure_1961.pdf
01:00:27 <Sgeo> The CPU's instruction set is intended to be easily modified
01:03:41 <Sgeo> https://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/BRL61-g.html#GENERAL-MILLS-AD/ECS
01:05:16 <b_jonas> Sgeo: yes, sign-magnitude. Some older computers use that.
01:09:35 <b_jonas> These were old computers where the RAM and CPU ran at slow speeds and the CPU was very simple so it could execute even simple instructions very slowly, but had dedicated hardware for multiplication and possibly division, because then you need fewer instructions to do double or triple width multiplication, and they were used for numerical computations where that came up often. The drawback is that you're
01:09:41 <b_jonas> wasting one bit in every word except the highest one in a double or triple width number.
01:10:14 <b_jonas> But it's also possible that it didn't make sense even back then but the designers didn't realize that. I don't know.
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02:07:09 <esolangs> [[Sakana]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132728&oldid=132724 * TheCanon2 * (+139) Re-formatted the page
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04:13:25 <zzo38> Is there information about how the instruction cards are working?
04:18:31 <esolangs> [[Tip]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132738&oldid=75469 * Ais523 * (-3) /* Specification */ fix reversed sentence
04:38:58 <Sgeo> zzo38, the ed-thelen.org link is the most detailed thing I found. So, other than "diode logic", not much.
04:39:10 <Sgeo> I'm tempted to try emailing General Mills. Or NASA.
04:39:25 <Sgeo> (NASA was a customer according to the brochure)
04:40:10 <Sgeo> It seems like, the way computers have expansion boards, this CPU uses expansion boards for individual instructions
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04:53:14 <zzo38> Yes, I had read that much. But I don't know all of the details.
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05:13:19 <Sgeo> I wonder how an emulator would work. Probably not every possible instruction card implemented, but a set... but it would need to be possible to tell the emulator which card is which instruction
05:13:46 <Sgeo> I don't know if there was a "default" set or if each institution that used one needed to write their own software or what
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06:12:44 <zzo38> Possibly when compiling the emulator, you can add your own instruction cards into the emulator; at run time you will tell it which of those instruction cards you want to use.
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10:57:21 <cpressey> The "rewriter functions" are useful for me not only because they are an abstract representation of rewrite rules (whereas making the entire rewrite system abstract is a bit too much), but also because they can be an abstract representation of abstract data types. (OK, the rewrite rules are *too*, because a rewrite theory implies an equational theory, and that's another way of looking at an
10:57:23 <cpressey> algebra, which is more or less the same thing as an ADT. But.. the rewriter is more abstract.)
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10:59:50 <cpressey> One twist is that rewrite rules are purely syntactic. In one sense this is appealing. In another sense this is unappealing. Do abstract rewriter functions hold out some potential to operate non-syntactically? That's one thing I'd like to try to understand.
11:02:45 <riv> i imagine rewriting is turing complete
11:02:49 <riv> in many ways
11:02:55 <riv> we can consider string rewrite systems
11:03:02 <riv> operating on adjacent bytes
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11:03:07 <riv> or operating on regular patterns
11:03:14 <riv> and we can consider tree structured rewriting
11:03:16 <riv> term systems
11:03:26 <riv> evaluators and arithmetic are natural in that context
11:03:47 <riv> keeping things very syntactic and first order
11:03:56 <riv> but then you have lambda, GLORIOUS lambda...
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12:01:25 <cpressey> Yeah I used to be really interested in term rewriting, a long time ago, and then kind of lost interest in it. And then the paths led back to it kind of unexpectedly. A big thing was just understanding that every rewriting system implies an equational theory. Which seems obvious in hindsight. If you say that 2+2 rewrites to 4, you are also saying 2+2=4. With all that implies.
12:03:23 <int-e> . o O ( you've been converted )
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14:11:20 <esolangs> [[Semiconkfalos]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132784 * TheCanon2 * (+784) Created a (somewhat incomplete) article for my esolang.
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17:46:04 <cpressey> So when a rewriter function represents an ADT, it rewrites a term like `top(push(x,s))` to `x`, or similar. To go "beyond the syntactic", it needs to rewrite `top(*)` to, uh, the top of the stack object `*` which isn't representable as a term. This sounds plausible?
18:09:06 <cpressey> Pity the poor rewriting rules from other ADTs that can't process *. But that's the point of opacity, they're not supposed to be able to process it.
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18:16:41 <cpressey> Hm, in that light, concrete rewriting rules aren't that great for ADTs, because they don't actually hide the representation. They can specify an equational theory, but it's not opaque.
18:17:10 <cpressey> Right, when they use algebras to define ADTs, they slap a signature on them, don't they.
18:17:49 <cpressey> But could you still confuse two ADTs if they used terms with the same function name internally?
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19:43:34 <esolangs> [[Semiconkfalos]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132798&oldid=132795 * TheCanon2 * (+6) Bolded the title.
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20:36:25 <esolangs> [[Shinda Sakana]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132799 * TheCanon2 * (+2744) This is an article documenting the older version of my esolang.
20:37:17 <esolangs> [[Shinda Sakana]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132800&oldid=132799 * TheCanon2 * (+26) Fixed the categories
20:38:52 <esolangs> [[Sakana]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132801&oldid=132741 * TheCanon2 * (+62) Mentioned Shinda Sakana.
20:39:24 <esolangs> [[Shinda Sakana]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132802&oldid=132800 * TheCanon2 * (+4) Forgot to properly link my username.
20:46:26 <esolangs> [[SPIKE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132803&oldid=132691 * Ractangle * (+148) /* Commands */
20:46:53 <esolangs> [[SPIKE]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132804&oldid=132803 * Ractangle * (+17) /* Commands */
20:47:04 <esolangs> [[Language list]] https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132805&oldid=132740 * TheCanon2 * (+42) /* S */ Added more of my esolangs
20:54:58 <esolangs> [[Shinda Sakana]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132806&oldid=132802 * PythonshellDebugwindow * (+82) Categories
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21:34:15 <cpressey> Silly me, actually this has hardly anything to do with term rewriting systems at all. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha.
21:35:41 <cpressey> No one ever goes back to the same drawing board twice.
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22:43:53 <esolangs> [[User:TheCanon2]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132807&oldid=132797 * TheCanon2 * (+21) added esolang
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23:46:37 <esolangs> [[Nulla]] N https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?oldid=132808 * TheCanon2 * (+1672) Created the page Nulla.
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23:55:38 <esolangs> [[Shinda Sakana]] M https://esolangs.org/w/index.php?diff=132809&oldid=132806 * TheCanon2 * (+0) Capitalisation.